SCOTUS struck down DOMA

[Retro Rob]

It seems as if equality no longer means being treated equally, however, its now shifted to "I want something because you have it -- if I don't get it, this isn't equality".

This doesn't have anything to do with the ruling, but I just read a sentence on CNN that stated that "the majority of Americans are for freedom and equality" and are more likely to vote Democratic. Translation: They'll vote for anyone willing to give then what they want, and allow them to do what they want. Romeny's quote (or whomever said this) is ringing true -- "you can't beat Santa Clause".

Makes Dems look undisciplined, and unprincipled.

 

[Brainonska511]

It seems as if equality no longer means being treated equally, however, its now shifted to "I want something because you have it -- if I don't get it, this isn't equality".

This doesn't have anything to do with the ruling, but I just read a sentence on CNN that stated that "the majority of Americans are for freedom and equality" and are more likely to vote Democratic. Translation: They'll vote for anyone willing to give then what they want, and allow them to do what they want. Romeny's quote (or whomever said this) is ringing true -- "you can't beat Santa Clause".

Makes Dems look undisciplined, and unprincipled.

You must not have read some of the ridiculous dissenting opinions, particularly Scalia's...

The issue is that marriage is defined at the state level and has been a prerogative of the states. The point of the ruling was that the Federal government should use each state's definition when people apply for any benefits or file forms. It has nothing to do with the strawman argument you have constructed.

 

[Paratus]

It seems as if equality no longer means being treated equally, however, its now shifted to "I want something because you have it -- if I don't get it, this isn't equality".

This doesn't have anything to do with the ruling, but I just read a sentence on CNN that stated that "the majority of Americans are for freedom and equality" and are more likely to vote Democratic. Translation: They'll vote for anyone willing to give then what they want, and allow them to do what they want. Romeny's quote (or whomever said this) is ringing true -- "you can't beat Santa Clause".

Makes Dems look undisciplined, and unprincipled.

Go home Rob M you're drunk.

 

[Retro Rob]

You must not have read some of the ridiculous dissenting opinions, particularly Scalia's...

The issue is that marriage is defined at the state level and has been a prerogative of the states. The point of the ruling was that the Federal government should use each state's definition when people apply for any benefits or file forms. It has nothing to do with the strawman argument you have constructed.

If you learn to....you know... read, you'd see my post had nothing to do with marriage, but it was a quote pulled from the SSM article, so I though it was appropriate to mention it and give my opinion.

 

[Retro Rob]

Go home Rob M you're drunk.

Sounds bout right!!

 

[Paratus]

Sounds bout right!!

:thumbsup:

 

[werepossum]

It seems as if equality no longer means being treated equally, however, its now shifted to "I want something because you have it -- if I don't get it, this isn't equality".

This doesn't have anything to do with the ruling, but I just read a sentence on CNN that stated that "the majority of Americans are for freedom and equality" and are more likely to vote Democratic. Translation: They'll vote for anyone willing to give then what they want, and allow them to do what they want. Romeny's quote (or whomever said this) is ringing true -- "you can't beat Santa Clause".

Makes Dems look undisciplined, and unprincipled.

I'd agree if this was something tangible, but this is freedom, personal liberty. No one's personal liberty has to be lessened to provide equal personal liberty to others. Giving the last 4% of our population the right to marry partners of their choice does not require removing part of that liberty from the other 96%. Unless one intends to treat people differently based on their sexual orientation - something already prohibited by law - there is literally no downside here.

I can generally understand both sides of an argument and see at least some legitimacy to each even if I vehemently prefer one, but this is as one-sided as anything I can recall.

 

[shadow9d9]

It seems as if equality no longer means being treated equally, however, its now shifted to "I want something because you have it -- if I don't get it, this isn't equality".

This doesn't have anything to do with the ruling, but I just read a sentence on CNN that stated that "the majority of Americans are for freedom and equality" and are more likely to vote Democratic. Translation: They'll vote for anyone willing to give then what they want, and allow them to do what they want. Romeny's quote (or whomever said this) is ringing true -- "you can't beat Santa Clause".

Makes Dems look undisciplined, and unprincipled.

Your kind said the same crap about interracial marriage. You are a fossil, just like them.

Oh no! People want to be treated equally..that is like Santa Claus because we gave them equality! Derp derp vomit...

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Gender is a protected class. Quantity is not. Naturally, the conservatives are not smart enough to reason that one out on their own.

 

[Retro Rob]

Your kind said the same crap about interracial marriage. You are a fossil, just like them.

Oh no! People want to be treated equally..that is like Santa Claus because we gave them equality! Derp derp vomit...

Lol I've always been for interracial marriage, though, idiot -- and have always respected the law, as I do this ruling.. so you can stop frothing..

 

[SlickSnake]

I was so happy about this ruling I was literally in tears, I still can't get over it. Is 25 years together a good enough reason to get married for all the hateful bigots out there like the Westboro Baptists? Is raising a STRAIGHT daughter a good enough reason to get married? Is being able to visit your partner in the hospital a good enough reason to get married?

All the same sex marriage stereotypes promoted by the straight conservative political religitards who don't know me or my partner are their closeted gay fantasy bullshit, not mine. And the worst offenders by far are the conservative political hacks who caused this marriage divide in the first place just for a few more votes from the crazy fundies who are so psychotic they hear voices in their head and talk to God.

SSM has been publicly vilified and crucified mostly by slimy conservative politicians with no morals or respect for the constitution who were just trying to sell their political and religious poison to aging voters from the stone age for a few more bigoted and hateful votes. And to think that even presidents and governors have used this tactic to divide and conquer and win elections is horrendously evil by every imaginable definition. There is nothing good, religious or holy about their intentions. They want to legalize and bring back hatred and division just like any good tyrants throughout history have done before.

My fears with SSM are that once you get the ring, the secret political enemies then knows who you are, and what you stand for. And with the recent revelations about covert and illegal spying ON EVERYONE, I would say anyone in a SSM should have plenty of good reasons to be concerned about being targeted, too. Remember that the same tyrants who passed these hateful discriminatory defense of marriage laws also have unlimited and constitutionally illegal access to ALL your personal information whenever they chose, for whatever the political reason.

So while this SCOTUS decision feels to me like a little bit of karma payback at last, the same tyrants who prostituted themselves for your hateful votes are still in power with a gun pointed at our SSM heads. The war they started for bigoted votes against the gays and SSM is far from over.

 

[michal1980]

I was so happy about this ruling I was literally in tears, I still can't get over it. Is 25 years together a good enough reason to get married for all the hateful bigots out there like the Westboro Baptists? Is raising a STRAIGHT daughter a good enough reason to get married? Is being able to visit your partner in the hospital a good enough reason to get married?

All the same sex marriage stereotypes promoted by the straight conservative political religitards who don't know me or my partner are their closeted gay fantasy bullshit, not mine. And the worst offenders by far are the conservative political hacks who caused this marriage divide in the first place just for a few more votes from the crazy fundies who are so psychotic they hear voices in their head and talk to God.

SSM has been publicly vilified and crucified mostly by slimy conservative politicians with no morals or respect for the constitution who were just trying to sell their political and religious poison to aging voters from the stone age for a few more bigoted and hateful votes. And to think that even presidents and governors have used this tactic to divide and conquer and win elections is horrendously evil by every imaginable definition. There is nothing good, religious or holy about their intentions. They want to legalize and bring back hatred and division just like any good tyrants throughout history have done before.

My fears with SSM are that once you get the ring, the secret political enemies then knows who you are, and what you stand for. And with the recent revelations about covert and illegal spying ON EVERYONE, I would say anyone in a SSM should have plenty of good reasons to be concerned about being targeted, too. Remember that the same tyrants who passed these hateful discriminatory defense of marriage laws also have unlimited and constitutionally illegal access to ALL your personal information whenever they chose, for whatever the political reason.

So while this SCOTUS decision feels to me like a little bit of karma payback at last, the same tyrants who prostituted themselves for your hateful votes are still in power with a gun pointed at our SSM heads. The war they started for bigoted votes against the gays and SSM is far from over.

seek consoling.


tens of thousand's of years of human history has defined marriage as between man and woman. Even secular counties like Japan and China.

To call the 90%+ of people that don't have a problem with the opposite sex crazy is rich.

Your side created the division. Not the other side. The other side's definition of marriage like stated before has been sent for generation. You wanted it changed. Congrats you won. You however dragged the country through the mud to do it.

 

[Riparian]

seek consoling.


tens of thousand's of years of human history has defined marriage as between man and woman. Even secular counties like Japan and China.

To call the 90%+ of people that don't have a problem with the opposite sex crazy is rich.

Your side created the division. Not the other side. The other side's definition of marriage like stated before has been sent for generation. You wanted it changed. Congrats you won. You however dragged the country through the mud to do it.

Stick to sports. Leave politics to rational people please.

 

[BlueWolf47]

seek consoling.


tens of thousand's of years of human history has defined marriage as between man and woman. Even secular counties like Japan and China.

To call the 90%+ of people that don't have a problem with the opposite sex crazy is rich.

Your side created the division. Not the other side. The other side's definition of marriage like stated before has been sent for generation. You wanted it changed. Congrats you won. You however dragged the country through the mud to do it.

Marriage has been defined between one man and one woman for 10, 000 years? i thought the earth was only 6000 years old.

 

[Retro Rob]

I was so happy about this ruling I was literally in tears, I still can't get over it. Is 25 years together a good enough reason to get married for all the hateful bigots out there like the Westboro Baptists? Is raising a STRAIGHT daughter a good enough reason to get married? Is being able to visit your partner in the hospital a good enough reason to get married?

All the same sex marriage stereotypes promoted by the straight conservative political religitards who don't know me or my partner are their closeted gay fantasy bullshit, not mine. And the worst offenders by far are the conservative political hacks who caused this marriage divide in the first place just for a few more votes from the crazy fundies who are so psychotic they hear voices in their head and talk to God.

SSM has been publicly vilified and crucified mostly by slimy conservative politicians with no morals or respect for the constitution who were just trying to sell their political and religious poison to aging voters from the stone age for a few more bigoted and hateful votes. And to think that even presidents and governors have used this tactic to divide and conquer and win elections is horrendously evil by every imaginable definition. There is nothing good, religious or holy about their intentions. They want to legalize and bring back hatred and division just like any good tyrants throughout history have done before.

My fears with SSM are that once you get the ring, the secret political enemies then knows who you are, and what you stand for. And with the recent revelations about covert and illegal spying ON EVERYONE, I would say anyone in a SSM should have plenty of good reasons to be concerned about being targeted, too. Remember that the same tyrants who passed these hateful discriminatory defense of marriage laws also have unlimited and constitutionally illegal access to ALL your personal information whenever they chose, for whatever the political reason.

So while this SCOTUS decision feels to me like a little bit of karma payback at last, the same tyrants who prostituted themselves for your hateful votes are still in power with a gun pointed at our SSM heads. The war they started for bigoted votes against the gays and SSM is far from over.

I agree with you generally speaking, but your fear-mongering, anti-gay spygate conspiracy theory is just garbage, IMO.

This seems a more emotional response instead of a calm, rational one.

 

[nehalem256]

Gender is a protected class. Quantity is not. Naturally, the conservatives are not smart enough to reason that one out on their own.

Nothing in Kennedy's opinion mentioned a protected class.

His logic was more or less. Not letting gays marry will make them feel bad, so we should let them marry.

Clearly this logic applies equally to polygamists.

 

[nehalem256]

Is being able to visit your partner in the hospital a good enough reason to get married?

Actually that is about the most retarded reason ever come up with for SSM. "Hey lets redefine a 2000+ year old institution so I* can visit who I want at the hospital".

*And of course it doesn't address say unmarried people who might want their platonic best friend of 40 years to visit them in the hospital. It seems like the better solution would be to not be jerks to people with regard to hospital visitation

 

[shadow9d9]

Lol I've always been for interracial marriage, though, idiot -- and have always respected the law, as I do this ruling.. so you can stop frothing..

Sigh... I said your KIND, not you personally. Your kind were the kind that were against interracial marriage.. you were just born a little later... People born a little later than you will be fine with gay marriage and stick to hating and fearing muslims and will look for something else new to fear and hate.

 

[michal1980]

Marriage has been defined between one man and one woman for 10, 000 years? i thought the earth was only 6000 years old.

Are you really this stupid? Or just actively turning your brain off.

I said that even outside of religion countries like china and japan (SECULAR cultures) have defined marriage as man and women.

How you respond to that? You can't because your just a typical Christian basher.

 

[soulcougher73]

Are you really this stupid? Or just actively turning your brain off.

I said that even outside of religion countries like china and japan (SECULAR cultures) have defined marriage as man and women.

How you respond to that? You can't because your just a typical Christian basher.

This wasnt directed at me but i can answer. Just because something is done a certain way for a long time does not mean we cannot progress to the next logical step and evolve as humans. Hell if we just stuck to everything we ever knew we still be living in caves. As you can see by the world around you progess happens all the time. Nothing stays the same forever.

 

[Retro Rob]

Sigh... I said your KIND, not you personally. Your kind were the kind that were against interracial marriage.. you were just born a little later... People born a little later than you will be fine with gay marriage and stick to hating and fearing muslims and will look for something else new to fear and hate.

You don't know when I was born, secondly, if time of birth had that much to do with it, every single white person born somewhere around 1940 would be racists.

Once science finds out how to detect a gay gene (if there is undoubtedly one) before a child is born, we'll see how many of "your kind" are ok with gays.

You're a complete moron and hateful idiot, and this shows how you keep looking for reasons to be bigoted against people who don't agree with you.

Oh, and if you've been sleeping, race is still a problem in America, and so are so many kinds of prejudices. Your utopia will probably NEVER exist.

Get dressed.

 

[yllus]

Are you really this stupid? Or just actively turning your brain off.

I said that even outside of religion countries like china and japan (SECULAR cultures) have defined marriage as man and women.

How you respond to that? You can't because your just a typical Christian basher.

Who cares what the custom or rule of law was 10,000 years ago? According to China and Japan 10,000 years ago, democracy was rank nonsense. We should drop that newfangled jibber-jabber too. Long live the Emperor!

We've moved along just a little bit in the year 2013. Try to catch up.

 

[sourceninja]

This wasnt directed at me but i can answer. Just because something is done a certain way for a long time does not mean we cannot progress to the next logical step and evolve as humans. Hell if we just stuck to everything we ever knew we still be living in caves. As you can see by the world around you progess happens all the time. Nothing stays the same forever.

right, it's called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Who cares what the custom or rule of law was 10,000 years ago? According to China and Japan 10,000 years ago, democracy was rank nonsense. We should drop that newfangled jibber-jabber too. Long live the Emperor!

We've moved along just a little bit in the year 2013. Try to catch up.

Japan still has an Emperor too. We need that shit ASAP! No one would mess with us if we resurrected Washington and made him Emperor!

 

[nehalem256]

This wasnt directed at me but i can answer. Just because something is done a certain way for a long time does not mean we cannot progress to the next logical step and evolve as humans. Hell if we just stuck to everything we ever knew we still be living in caves. As you can see by the world around you progess happens all the time. Nothing stays the same forever.

Awesome! Next stop human-animal marriages