Scott Ritter: US plans June attack on Iran , US "cooked" Jan 30 Elections

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Genx87

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Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
we really beat the crap out of iran in june man...










gotta love the bush haters graping for straws.

I think the best part about the whole thread was relying on Seymor Hersh. The guy is a blowbag hack. But the most funny part about Seymors prediction was if it didnt come true. Then it had to be because the article I am writing about scared the Bush administration away from doing it.

ROTFLMAO!

Hi I am Seymor's narcissism have we met?
 

EagleKeeper

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Anybody seen any posts from those that back Ritter?


Steeplerot was active as of 5 minutes ago - apparently this thread is on the embarrassing list. ?Unable to eat Crow ?
 

EagleKeeper

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Up to Steeplerot to respond/defend Ritter

He was active in this Thread regarding Vietnam less than 10 minutes ago and his bulb is presently light up.
 

umbrella39

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The best way to express humility is to practice admitting when you are wrong. I see so many of you who are throwing stones at steeple doing that all the time here! Ya'll need a good 12 step program. This taunting is tantamount to kindergarten "na na na na boo boo's". :thumbsdown: Let it go, the OP seems to have moved on, why not do the same?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
The best way to express humility is to practice admitting when you are wrong. I see so many of you who are throwing stones at steeple doing that all the time here! Ya'll need a good 12 step program. This taunting is tantamount to kindergarten "na na na na boo boo's". :thumbsdown:

Is this practice offline?

 

alchemize

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Honestly, what would you expect from somebody who is so far to the left? He's made his own "reality" - the streets at night in san francisco where the truly enlightened roam and we're all just sheep.

I PM'ed him, he obviously isn't going to answer. Cowards way out - but I suggest we let it go, as umbrella39 suggests.

 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
The best way to express humility is to practice admitting when you are wrong. I see so many of you who are throwing stones at steeple doing that all the time here! Ya'll need a good 12 step program. This taunting is tantamount to kindergarten "na na na na boo boo's". :thumbsdown: Let it go, the OP seems to have moved on, why not do the same?

:confused: This thread would still be dead if it weren't for statements like this:

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And if hersch is wrong you will see the diffrence between me and some of the more hardheaded bush supporters in here.
I will admit I was wrong. (hey it happens!)

I love how accountability is only a noble thing when it's your "opponent" who needs to own up to something. (realizes both sides are guilty of this.)
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: umbrella39
The best way to express humility is to practice admitting when you are wrong. I see so many of you who are throwing stones at steeple doing that all the time here! Ya'll need a good 12 step program. This taunting is tantamount to kindergarten "na na na na boo boo's". :thumbsdown: Let it go, the OP seems to have moved on, why not do the same?

:confused: This thread would still be dead if it weren't for statements like this:

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And if hersch is wrong you will see the diffrence between me and some of the more hardheaded bush supporters in here.
I will admit I was wrong. (hey it happens!)

I love how accountability is only a noble thing when it's your "opponent" who needs to own up to something. (realizes both sides are guilty of this.)

Actually, this thread would be dead if someone hadn't resurrected it from page 50 on August 5th. Wonders who that was... All kidding aside, some have PM'd him and he has made his choice. Why beat a dead horse?
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: umbrella39

Actually, this thread would be dead if someone hadn't resurrected it from page 50 on August 5th. Wonders who that was... All kidding aside, some have PM'd him and he has made his choice. Why beat a dead horse?

It was me. :) I get amusement from it. You continue to point out the perceived hypocrisy of people you disagree with, and I'll do the same from my end. Mmmkay? ;)
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: umbrella39

Actually, this thread would be dead if someone hadn't resurrected it from page 50 on August 5th. Wonders who that was... All kidding aside, some have PM'd him and he has made his choice. Why beat a dead horse?

It was me. :) I get amusement from it. You continue to point out the perceived hypocrisy of people you disagree with, and I'll do the same from my end. Mmmkay? ;)

LOL. OK. But I trust you will agree that when I am pointed out to be wrong, you have done it a few times to me, I apologize and admit it. I see no shame in admitting when I am wrong. To be honest, I feel much better when I admit it than when I ignore it.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
we really beat the crap out of iran in june man...










gotta love the bush haters graping for straws.

I think the best part about the whole thread was relying on Seymor Hersh. The guy is a blowbag hack. But the most funny part about Seymors prediction was if it didnt come true. Then it had to be because the article I am writing about scared the Bush administration away from doing it.

ROTFLMAO!

Hi I am Seymor's narcissism have we met?
Nice way to misinterpret Hersh's words.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: umbrella39

Actually, this thread would be dead if someone hadn't resurrected it from page 50 on August 5th. Wonders who that was... All kidding aside, some have PM'd him and he has made his choice. Why beat a dead horse?

It was me. :) I get amusement from it. You continue to point out the perceived hypocrisy of people you disagree with, and I'll do the same from my end. Mmmkay? ;)

LOL. OK. But I trust you will agree that when I am pointed out to be wrong, you have done it a few times to me, I apologize and admit it. I see no shame in admitting when I am wrong. To be honest, I feel much better when I admit it than when I ignore it.

Yes, I admit you have done as such. As have I. I say it's a sign of maturity, which futher cements my perceptions of the OP.
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
we really beat the crap out of iran in june man...










gotta love the bush haters graping for straws.

You do realize, of course, that this administration is run by neocons, no? Do you know ANYTHING about this philosophy?
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87

I think the best part about the whole thread was relying on Seymor Hersh. The guy is a blowbag hack. But the most funny part about Seymors prediction was if it didnt come true. Then it had to be because the article I am writing about scared the Bush administration away from doing it.

ROTFLMAO!

Hi I am Seymor's narcissism have we met?
Nice way to misinterpret Hersh's words.

Umm, from your own post:

Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: theGlove
we are getting closer and this story is looking more accurate

Maybe not.


From
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1539955&enterthread=y
In regards to Iran, Hersh stated that his contacts and research points to four different groups of U.S. Special Forces being in place in Iran. A member of the audience questioned Hersh?s credibility and accused him of harboring an anti-Bush bias. Hersh replied to the written question that the articles he writes are based upon information from his contacts, many of which are very high up in the intelligence community, the Pentagon, and the government and his information usually shows up a few weeks later in the mainstream media as accepted fact. He hasn?t been wrong yet. Hersh only reveals the names of his sources when allowed to do so. Most of his contacts, however, work in intelligence and revealing their names would compromise their safety and their jobs. Hersh did say that some high-ranking Pentagon officials are very critical and upset with the Bush administration but are unable to make public comments to that effect. As far as Hersh?s comments that fighting with Iran is imminent, he was told that if he wrote the piece correctly, there wouldn?t be a fight (meaning, if he uncovered enough information and enough people read it and criticized the Bush administration, an invasion or an attack on Iran would not happen.)

What exactly has been misinterpreted? You bolded the appropriate part yourself.
 

conjur

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Hersh isn't taking credit for anything. It's the people who have become aware of this administration's evil-doing that deserve the credit.

"if he uncovered enough information and enough people read it and criticized the Bush administration"
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: conjur
Hersh isn't taking credit for anything. It's the people who have become aware of this administration's evil-doing that deserve the credit.

"if he uncovered enough information and enough people read it and criticized the Bush administration"
Still sounds like a hero complex to me - as if his story could have such far-reaching and important impacts.

*shrug*
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: conjur
Hersh isn't taking credit for anything. It's the people who have become aware of this administration's evil-doing that deserve the credit.

"if he uncovered enough information and enough people read it and criticized the Bush administration"
Still sounds like a hero complex to me - as if his story could have such far-reaching and important impacts.

*shrug*

Hersh is providing an out for himself in the event that he was wrong. He was wrong and oh look I bet if asked today he would say it was because of his doing.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: conjur
Hersh isn't taking credit for anything. It's the people who have become aware of this administration's evil-doing that deserve the credit.

"if he uncovered enough information and enough people read it and criticized the Bush administration"
Still sounds like a hero complex to me - as if his story could have such far-reaching and important impacts.

*shrug*
Well, when you've been right as many times as he has, I can see where some could draw that conclusion.
 

Steeplerot

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I have said my piece about this way earlier on, these things play themselves out...

Your nyah-nyah PM's from the neocon trolls in here are pretty childish, This thread has nothing to do with my postcount....We are struggling to pull our life back together after a housefire, I have much bigger priorities and damn lucky I even have a functional PC, get a grip.

He still has credibility though things may not on the surface have played out exactly...that's life.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I have said my piece about this way earlier on, these things play themselves out...

Your nyah-nyah PM's from the neocon trolls in here are pretty childish, This thread has nothing to do with my postcount....We are struggling to pull our life back together after a housefire, I have much bigger priorities and damn lucky I even have a functional PC, get a grip.

He still has credibility though things may not on the surface have played out exactly...that's life.


He speaks!
 

Merovingian

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Originally posted by: conjur
I posted this in another thread but it's fitting here:

http://www.ufppc.org/content/view/2295/2/
On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran?s alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism.

The former Marine also said that the Jan. 30 elections, which George W. Bush has called "a turning point in the history of Iraq, a milestone in the advance of freedom," were not so free after all. Ritter said that U.S. authorities in Iraq had manipulated the results in order to reduce the percentage of the vote received by the United Iraqi Alliance from 56% to 48%.

Asked by UFPPC's Ted Nation about this shocker, Ritter said an official involved in the manipulation was the source, and that this would soon be reported by a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist in a major metropolitan magazine -- an obvious allusion to New Yorker reporter Seymour M. Hersh.

On Jan. 17, the New Yorker posted an article by Hersh entitled The Coming Wars (New Yorker, January 24-31, 2005). In it, the well-known investigative journalist claimed that for the Bush administration, "The next strategic target Iran." Hersh also reported that "The Administration has been conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since last summer." According to Hersh, "Defense Department civilians, under the leadership of Douglas Feith, have been working with Israeli planners and consultants to develop and refine potential nuclear, chemical-weapons, and missile targets inside Iran. . . . Strategists at the headquarters of the U.S. Central Command, in Tampa, Florida, have been asked to revise the military?s war plan, providing for a maximum ground and air invasion of Iran. . . . The hawks in the Administration believe that it will soon become clear that the Europeans? negotiated approach cannot succeed, and that at that time the Administration will act."


As for Ritter's prediction about Iraq:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/07.25A.wrp.iraq.htm


And a link to The Coming Wars - Seymour Hersh
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

The dollar has been dropping and oil transactions are moving to the Euro. The US gaining control of Middle Eastern oil will reverse that trend.

Very Interesting Conjur!
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Merovingian
Originally posted by: conjur
I posted this in another thread but it's fitting here:

http://www.ufppc.org/content/view/2295/2/
On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran?s alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism.

The former Marine also said that the Jan. 30 elections, which George W. Bush has called "a turning point in the history of Iraq, a milestone in the advance of freedom," were not so free after all. Ritter said that U.S. authorities in Iraq had manipulated the results in order to reduce the percentage of the vote received by the United Iraqi Alliance from 56% to 48%.

Asked by UFPPC's Ted Nation about this shocker, Ritter said an official involved in the manipulation was the source, and that this would soon be reported by a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist in a major metropolitan magazine -- an obvious allusion to New Yorker reporter Seymour M. Hersh.

On Jan. 17, the New Yorker posted an article by Hersh entitled The Coming Wars (New Yorker, January 24-31, 2005). In it, the well-known investigative journalist claimed that for the Bush administration, "The next strategic target Iran." Hersh also reported that "The Administration has been conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since last summer." According to Hersh, "Defense Department civilians, under the leadership of Douglas Feith, have been working with Israeli planners and consultants to develop and refine potential nuclear, chemical-weapons, and missile targets inside Iran. . . . Strategists at the headquarters of the U.S. Central Command, in Tampa, Florida, have been asked to revise the military?s war plan, providing for a maximum ground and air invasion of Iran. . . . The hawks in the Administration believe that it will soon become clear that the Europeans? negotiated approach cannot succeed, and that at that time the Administration will act."


As for Ritter's prediction about Iraq:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/07.25A.wrp.iraq.htm


And a link to The Coming Wars - Seymour Hersh
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact

The dollar has been dropping and oil transactions are moving to the Euro. The US gaining control of Middle Eastern oil will reverse that trend.

Very Interesting Conjur!

Yes, it is....I just noticed another Ritter prediction that hasn't come true buried in there...the "elections fixed" article never came out.

Asked by UFPPC's Ted Nation about this shocker, Ritter said an official involved in the manipulation was the source, and that this would soon be reported by a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist in a major metropolitan magazine -- an obvious allusion to New Yorker reporter Seymour M. Hersh.
But he's still credible...for a framed child molestor.