Scion Xb

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Stifko
I like the xB too. Nissan might be bringing the Cube to the States soon. Thats a similar car and really nice.

Nissan Cube

 

[aircooled]

it's so ugly it's pretty.

i actually like it. almost bought one but wanted a V6

 

[CChaos]

The xB certainly impresses me as a distinctly Japanese design (of course I don't know much about design), and I'm glad to see it doing so well here. Frankly I didn't think Americans were open-minded enough for it to be a success. This is the definition of polarizing design. People will probably either love the xB or hate it. Personally, I find it intriguing.

If you truly believe that people will buy anything Toyota decides to sell, well, doesn't that say as much about how well they've done here? I'm not one to argue that the general public is anything but stupid, however in this case I think it's more that people realize that unusual isn't necessarily bad. After all, Toyota is so often criticised (and rightly so) for bland design, so it seems a bit odd for them to be also criticised for something truly interesting.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: CChaos
The xB certainly impresses me as a distinctly Japanese design (of course I don't know much about design), and I'm glad to see it doing so well here. Frankly I didn't think Americans were open-minded enough for it to be a success. This is the definition of polarizing design. People will probably either love the xB or hate it. Personally, I find it intriguing.

If you truly believe that people will buy anything Toyota decides to sell, well, doesn't that say as much about how well they've done here? I'm not one to argue that the general public is anything but stupid, however in this case I think it's more that people realize that unusual isn't necessarily bad. After all, Toyota is so often criticised (and rightly so) for bland design, so it seems a bit odd for them to be also criticised for something truly interesting.

They just can't win....or could they?

Scion xB sales are through the roof
Scion xA sales are stellar
Scion tC sales are through the roof

Toyota sales are up year over year and they are on a course to overtake GM as the #1 automaker in the world and they aim for 15% marketshare in the US which they will likely get within the next 5-6 years.

And their last quarterly profit was way more than the Big 3 combined (actually, Big 2 since Toyota kicked DC to the curb)

 

[zoiks]

Boxes with lego tires.
We have a dumb enough population to buy xB's and cubes.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: zoiks
Boxes with lego tires.
We have a dumb enough population to buy xB's and cubes.

If the only argument you have against the xB is that it's ugly, please STFu

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: zoiks
Boxes with lego tires.
We have a dumb enough population to buy xB's and cubes.

If the only argument you have against the xB is that it's ugly, please STFu

But it is a valid argument isn't it?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: zoiks
Boxes with lego tires.
We have a dumb enough population to buy xB's and cubes.

If the only argument you have against the xB is that it's ugly, please STFu

But it is a valid argument isn't it?

But it's a subjective one, so it's not really an argument to begin with. The car is priced dirt cheap, has more standard features than it's competitors, great on gas mileage, comfortable and well designed, has tonnes of useful space, and toyota reliability - to mark the car off because of something so subjective only proves that you are the stupid one.

 

[Thraxen]

to mark the car off because of something so subjective only proves that you are the stupid one

I wouldn't go that far. Design is a big part of a vehicle's appeal.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: zoiks
Boxes with lego tires.
We have a dumb enough population to buy xB's and cubes.

If the only argument you have against the xB is that it's ugly, please STFu

But it is a valid argument isn't it?

But it's a subjective one, so it's not really an argument to begin with. The car is priced dirt cheap, has more standard features than it's competitors, great on gas mileage, comfortable and well designed, has tonnes of useful space, and toyota reliability - to mark the car off because of something so subjective only proves that you are the stupid one.

Agreed. One of the most reliable small cars on the road:

http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/0..._reliability/index.htm

 

[jagec]

xB and Element: Honda and Toyota decided to have an ugliness competition, and Toyota won.

Besides ugliness, one of the biggest problems with the box design is the terrible drag coefficient. It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway. Also, I bet the gas mileage starts to decrease really sharply north of 65 MPH.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: jagec
xB and Element: Honda and Toyota decided to have an ugliness competition, and Toyota won.

Besides ugliness, one of the biggest problems with the box design is the terrible drag coefficient. It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway. Also, I bet the gas mileage starts to decrease really sharply north of 65 MPH.

They have a 108HP engine b/c they are based on the Toyota Echo, DUH! It's a platform thing. The reason why it gets good gas mileage is b/c it's lightweight and has a frugal engine.

A Scion xB is rated at 30 mpg / 34 mpg
An Element is rated at 21 mpg / 26 mpg

Please edumacate yourself before you start spouting off B$

 

[TuxDave]

If I gotta guess, I would say the buyers are the people who are trying to relive the days when they could sit in a shopping cart and 'drive' around.

 

[EyeMWing]

1) The xB is not an SUV - IT IS A MINIVAN. It sits FAR too low to be an SUV.
2) It makes me laugh - I like it.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: NFS4
It's selling like hot cakes, that's all that matters. Anyway, the Element is far uglier...or even these two things

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...turn.relay.f34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332...k.terrazza.f34.500.jpg

the element looks better than the xB. but thats not saying much

now the tC...thats a nice car!

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: jagec
xB and Element: Honda and Toyota decided to have an ugliness competition, and Toyota won.

Besides ugliness, one of the biggest problems with the box design is the terrible drag coefficient. It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway. Also, I bet the gas mileage starts to decrease really sharply north of 65 MPH.

I think Toyota got drunk and made a few steps in the worng direction after passing out...i thought we were in the age of aerodynamics.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: NFS4

They have a 108HP engine b/c they are based on the Toyota Echo, DUH! It's a platform thing. The reason why it gets good gas mileage is b/c it's lightweight and has a frugal engine.

A Scion xB is rated at 30 mpg / 34 mpg
An Element is rated at 21 mpg / 26 mpg

Please edumacate yourself before you start spouting off B$

1)I looked up the gas mileage and knew it was good. That's why I didn't ever say the cars got bad mileage...but as people have mentioned, 108HP (also a figure I knew) is WAAY too little to actually haul something around. With those aerodynamics, you can't have good mileage AND good power. They chose to sacrifice power to keep mileage.

2)Point out ONE thing I said that was "BS". Do boxes have good drag coefficients? I never said "OMG THE XB GETS BAD GAS MILEAGE", I just said it had a lot of drag, and as such a small engine was necessary (which makes it hard to haul stuff around). And, the EPA estimates are carried out at ~55 IIRC, and I said that I bet gas mileage decreases sharply after 65. This, too, is probably true, unless my Transport Processes prof lied to me...

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: zoiks
Boxes with lego tires.
We have a dumb enough population to buy xB's and cubes.

If the only argument you have against the xB is that it's ugly, please STFu

But it is a valid argument isn't it?

But it's a subjective one, so it's not really an argument to begin with. The car is priced dirt cheap, has more standard features than it's competitors, great on gas mileage, comfortable and well designed, has tonnes of useful space, and toyota reliability - to mark the car off because of something so subjective only proves that you are the stupid one.

Its an ice cream truck.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: jagec
2)Point out ONE thing I said that was "BS".

It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway.

The REASON why the xB and xA use the 1.5 liter 108HP engine is b/c BOTH are based on the Toyota Echo platform, hence they use the same engine. It's cheaper for Toyota to use common componentry and a larger won't even fit into a chassis that small. In fact, a larger engine is not even needed given the weight of the vehicle.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: jagec
2)Point out ONE thing I said that was "BS".

It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway.

The REASON why the xB and xA use the 1.5 liter 108HP engine is b/c BOTH are based on the Toyota Echo platform, hence they use the same engine. It's cheaper for Toyota to use common componentry and a larger won't even fit into a chassis that small. In fact, a larger engine is not even needed given the weight of the vehicle.

I think he is just saying that since it is a box, teh drag will effect the gas mileage on the highway, which is true. However, since like NSF4, alot, and i hate disagreeing with him....I am just gonna give NSF4 pat on the back.

to NSF4:beer:

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: jagec
2)Point out ONE thing I said that was "BS".

It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway.

The REASON why the xB and xA use the 1.5 liter 108HP engine is b/c BOTH are based on the Toyota Echo platform, hence they use the same engine. It's cheaper for Toyota to use common componentry and a larger won't even fit into a chassis that small. In fact, a larger engine is not even needed given the weight of the vehicle.

I think he is just saying that since it is a box, teh drag will effect the gas mileage on the highway, which is true. However, since like NSF4, alot, and i hate disagreeing with him....I am just gonna give NSF4 pat on the back.

to NSF4:beer:

I understand exactly what he is saying, but the reason why the xB uses the engine it uses is not to get better gas mileage, it's a fuction of the platform it's based on.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: jagec
2)Point out ONE thing I said that was "BS".

It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway.

The REASON why the xB and xA use the 1.5 liter 108HP engine is b/c BOTH are based on the Toyota Echo platform, hence they use the same engine. It's cheaper for Toyota to use common componentry and a larger won't even fit into a chassis that small. In fact, a larger engine is not even needed given the weight of the vehicle.

I think he is just saying that since it is a box, teh drag will effect the gas mileage on the highway, which is true. However, since like NSF4, alot, and i hate disagreeing with him....I am just gonna give NSF4 pat on the back.

to NSF4:beer:

I understand exactly what he is saying, but the reason why the xB uses the engine it uses is not to get better gas mileage, it's a fuction of the platform it's based on.

you didn't take my beer
:|

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: jagec
2)Point out ONE thing I said that was "BS".

It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway.

The REASON why the xB and xA use the 1.5 liter 108HP engine is b/c BOTH are based on the Toyota Echo platform, hence they use the same engine. It's cheaper for Toyota to use common componentry and a larger won't even fit into a chassis that small. In fact, a larger engine is not even needed given the weight of the vehicle.

I think he is just saying that since it is a box, teh drag will effect the gas mileage on the highway, which is true. However, since like NSF4, alot, and i hate disagreeing with him....I am just gonna give NSF4 pat on the back.

to NSF4:beer:

I understand exactly what he is saying, but the reason why the xB uses the engine it uses is not to get better gas mileage, it's a fuction of the platform it's based on.

you didn't take my beer
:|

I don't drink beer. It tastes like crap. How about a glass of :wine:? :laugh:

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: jagec
2)Point out ONE thing I said that was "BS".

It doesn't matter much in city driving, but they HAD to give those cars really weak engines to keep any sort of gas mileage on the highway.

The REASON why the xB and xA use the 1.5 liter 108HP engine is b/c BOTH are based on the Toyota Echo platform, hence they use the same engine. It's cheaper for Toyota to use common componentry and a larger won't even fit into a chassis that small. In fact, a larger engine is not even needed given the weight of the vehicle.

That's the unladen weight. These vehicles are being marketed as something where you can cram anything in the back and go...and having weight back there will really slow the car down with only 108 HP. My point is that if it's designed to be a commuter car, they can give it a better aerodynamic profile and save gas, and if it's designed to be a hauler, they need a bigger engine.
I know that Toyota uses common components, I LIKE Toyotas, but as an engineer I like nice aerodynamic profiles.

Toyota is all about efficiency, and I hate to see such a crude design needlessly bleeding off energy.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: jagec


That's the unladen weight. These vehicles are being marketed as something where you can cram anything in the back and go...and having weight back there will really slow the car down with only 108 HP. My point is that if it's designed to be a commuter car, they can give it a better aerodynamic profile and save gas, and if it's designed to be a hauler, they need a bigger engine.
I know that Toyota uses common components, I LIKE Toyotas, but as an engineer I like nice aerodynamic profiles.

Toyota is all about efficiency, and I hate to see such a crude design needlessly bleeding off energy.

If they give it a better areodynamic profile, it wouldn't be an xB now would it?

Toyota is trying to be different for a change. People say they are too bland and people bitch. They try something new and people bitch.