Scientists want a BIGGER Hadron Collider

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It cost £7 billion to build has been fraught with problems since it was first switched on.

But now scientists behind the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Switzerland want to build an even bigger machine, it will be announced today.

Instead of whirling atoms in giant rings like at Cern, scientists now want a next-generation machine that will fire them in a straight line.
Scientists from CERN will reach out to China, India and Russia to help fund the next £8.5 billion step of the project at a conference in Paris today.
The new machine would be a successor to the LHC which was launched with great fanfare in September 2008, but days later was sidetracked by overheating that set off a chain of problems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ine-fires-protons-straight.html#ixzz0umkJMVBh

 

[Sclamoz]

The US should start building the Superconducting Super Collider again and not fuck it up this time. It's a shame we've given up the lead in areas like this.

 

[dfuze]

I wonder if any nation has the money to spare for something like that

 

[Exterous]

It did not destroy the earth as hoped so they need to try again

 

[Lonyo]

You have to consider the timescale.
They don't want another one today, they want another, bigger one in the future. These things take time.
The article even states 2020~2025. That's 10~15 years away. They need to start planning now for obvious reasons, like this shit takes time.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

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[sdifox]

linear posts a much bigger challenge than circular. I guess they can just build it in the middle of the Gobi desert and use tons of solar panels

 

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Bigger, harder, deeper!

 

[totalnoob]

They should just upgrade the current LHC. They already have a planned upgrade that would increase the visibility of the results 10X. Just do it now bitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Large_Hadron_Collider

 

[Snapster]

linear posts a much bigger challenge than circular. I guess they can just build it in the middle of the Gobi desert and use tons of solar panels

Aside from the power requirements, I would have thought making something go straight would be a heck allot easier than trying to make something go round in a perfect circle.

 

[Colt45]

I'm not sure if china, india, and russia are the right places to hit up for cash.

 

[Sea Moose]

Its a scientists version of small penis syndrome

 

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[NikolaeVarius]

It's not gay if Hadrons aren't touching.

 

[oddyager]

Are they going to make it black?!?!?

 

[MotF Bane]

So a long straight tube enclosed in a slightly larger straight tube, right?

 

[dfuze]

It's not gay if Hadrons aren't touching.

... not that there's anything wrong with it...

 

[Cogman]

Have they gotten the LHC to work properly yet? How about doing that BEFORE planning on building the next best thing.

 

[notposting]

Should build it at the Moonbase.

 

[ichy]

They should just upgrade the current LHC. They already have a planned upgrade that would increase the visibility of the results 10X. Just do it now bitches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Large_Hadron_Collider

The LHC fires particles in a circle rather than in a straight line. Linear colliders have some unique abilities that you could never get by upgrading the LHC.

 

[ichy]

I wouldn't say the LHC has been "fraught with problems." Sure there have been issues, but that's to be expected considering that nobody has ever built anything like this before.

 

[techs]

The US should start building the Superconducting Super Collider again and not fuck it up this time. It's a shame we've given up the lead in areas like this.

Sure. As long as you also cut taxes.

 

[sdifox]

Aside from the power requirements, I would have thought making something go straight would be a heck allot easier than trying to make something go round in a perfect circle.

Circular track makes more sense when you are going high power. You build the circle and keep the particle going around a few times to pick up energy. With linear you have to build a very long magnetically straight pipe.

LHC is 27km in circumference. Say the particle needs to go around 10,000 times to pick up enough energy. To achive the same energy level with same magnets, you would need a 270,000 km long accelerator. At which point you need to fight gravitational variations on top of earth curvature. Very very hard compared to building a circle.

 

[sdifox]

I'm not sure if china, india, and russia are the right places to hit up for cash.

Just tell them it is the new phallic symbol of their potency.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

So, IIRC, with a straight accelerator charged particles won't give off the electromagnetic field that used to be caused by the radial acceleration in a circular accelerator once the particles have reached a constant speed.

Does this mean that the hardons will now be naked?