Originally posted by: dguy6789
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: dguy6789
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: dguy6789
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: Falcon39
Originally posted by: dnuggett
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Listen, as a Christian I can't accept evolution.
Listen, as a Christian I accept some type of evolution.
It is your right to disbelieve Big Bang but calling some of the smartest, most well educated and renouned men on the planet "morons" is going to far.
No, not really. I am interested in knowing why God could not have set that Big Bang in motion.
Instead of telling you why God could not have created the big bang and induced creationism, why don't you tell me why a big block of cheddar cheese couldn't have created the universe. When you can answer that, you have answered your own question.
Wow. Just wow. That's the best you have? You reduce it to that? :laugh: Actually I expected that, that type of comment usually happens at least once or twice in a conversation like this.
As expected. You cannot seem to grasp the idea that the question I asked you was the exact one that you ask of us with cheese in place of god. That should not change the answer in any way.
Wow, reading comprehension and spelling own you. Re-read the post, this time slow down and take a deep breath. I know it's hard to read correctly, but try this statement again:
"I am interested in knowing why God could not have set that Big Bang in motion."
While your direct statement is different, the meaning is the same. Rather than saying "X created the me, you and the universe", you are saying, "why couldn't X have created the universe"?
You are assuming that X exists in the first place. Everyone knows what happens when you assume.
Creationists have a pre conceived goal when they go looking for evidence on their position. That goal is to prove that their story is correct. They only want to look at and admit data that is for their cause. Should they find any evidence that says otherwise, "oh it is god just testing my faith"
Evolutionists FIRST look for evidence, then based on that evidence, they create a theory. That is the difference. Evolutionists have a reason for their theory, and Creationists have to find a reason for their theory.
As to your other statement, could the big bang not be a big bang at all? Yes, it is quite possible. While it would be illogical to assume a fart caused it all(no more illogical than assuming a higher being caused it), it could be possible.
I have a question for you.
b Why do you believe in whatever religion you believe in? What makes your religion valid and others false?
Quotes edited for brevity, its ridiculous how long you people let this stuff get
The answer to the last bolded statement, and in my opinion to all the bolded statements, is that *most* people are raised religious (again, in my opinion, its brainwashing) and just believe what theyre told because its what theyre told. Not all, but most. Many more who convert later in life, do so during some emotion duress, or at a point where they dont know what to do, and take whatever a religious person says as fact without checking up on it.
I was raised a christian, it never made sense to me, but i tried, did this and that and the other thing, believed all the bull because its what i was told for 20 years. Then i actually *read* the bible, and looked at facts one day, and quit going to church, and quit believing.
Ive met people who believed in god and jesus and the bible, and had *never read the book*. Ever. Not more than a cursory glance in church, at most, when someone told them to turn to a chapter and verse. Educated people, smart people, who *never read the book*, nevermind having an open mind if they get to it, which is the hardest part, to challenge your beliefs. Alot of people that *do* read it, are already religious and convinced its entirely true and factual. I would imagine the same would go with other religions like islam or hinduism, however, my experience has only been with the christian faith. Ive lived in eastern north carolina all of my life, we have baptists, pentecostals, church of god and a few catholics: so much for variety
Weve all seen videos, read arguments, maybe even gone through books about the creationist point of view, alost of us here on AT disagree with it, and some chrsitian even disagree with the 6-day creation story and believe in evolution, but that god started it all.
The thing is, however, that people who are *raised* on certain beliefs, even beliefs that ARE NOT religious, have a strong tendency to just believe what theyre told and never bother really looking into it later. Think of all the things, things that arent remotely religious, that youre parents told you as a kid, that you probably never gave much thought to for quite some time.
I was 15 or 16 before i started to think about my religion, and didnt really look into it seriously until i was 20. And up to that point, i used, and believed almost all of the arguments that christians here are using to deny anything except a 7-day creation by an omnipotent god. I *knew* the earth was 6000 years old and created by god and that jesus died. I didnt believe it, i *knew* it as though it was an indisputable fact.
Thats what I got for being raised around close-minded people who believed in things that they couldnt see or prove, but believed just because some book, or someone who believed in that book, told them it was so.
I wanted truth, though, after hearing alot of explanations and claims of evidence and finally actually looking into it with an open mind, im no longer religious (im agnostic, and apathetic more than anything) and am shocked at some of the things i used to treat as fact.