Scientists Call Fish Fossil the 'Missing Link'

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yhelothar

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
You're absolutely right. I agree completely. The Bible is truth from the beginning to the end, and I believe Genesis 1-11 to be a historical narrative, just like the rest of Genesis.

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing" -Socrates

To be so firm on a belief is just plain ignorance. Firmness on a belief blinds a person from being open minded enough to consider the possibilities.

You seem to have strong doubts about evolution before even really understanding it and considering it. It's akin to you driving a Kia and saying it's the best car. And when someone else tells you his porsche 911 is better, you ignore him and insist your car is the best. Ignorance is bliss huh?

Such as? I assume by vast you mean about a baker's dozen.
I assume you just skipped over the posts that gave compelling evidence for evolution, and just ignored them just like the kia driver ignoring the porsche driver telling him that there is a better car this his kia.

Here it is again in case you've missed it.

I see a lot of anti-evolutionists here claiming there are very few transitional types. I don't know where they got their information from, but it's most likely from a religion backed source. But if you've taken a biology class or two, and really studied about all the different species, and how they evolved through time, you would realize that ALL SPECIES ARE TRANSITIONAL FORMS. Anti-evolutionists often confuse evolution to having species that are in-between and hasn't completed their form yet. This is false, and is not followed by anyone in the science. All species are intermediate and are transitional.
The "very limited" fossil record has shown a logical evolution of species - fishes, to amphibians that dwell between water and land, then full land reptiles - simple plants with no stems or seeds(algae), to simple plants with stems but no seeds(ferns), to fully developed shoots and stem systems with seeds(trees). These are just two examples of how species have logically evolved through time - from simpler versions of the species, to more and more complex - with each species being a transitional form to the next. You don't see amphibians showing up in the fossil record before fishes. You don't see trees showing up in the fossil record before algae. But instead, all evidence has showed that species have progressed in small transitional steps. The entire study of evolution is FILLED with mountains upon mountains of such evidence.
And here creationists are contending that there are no transitional forms? Well answer this, how many of these creationists actually have studied biology? How many people that have actually studied biology and deny evolution? I dare you to find me one. Even the Vatican Pope of Rome accepts evolution as a fact.
If you really understand how evolution works, there really isn't any question whether or not it took place.


I never said you couldn't reduce the amount of information. That's entirely possible, and it happens all the time in breeding experiments. But we're talking about adding information, creating new information from what was not there before.

Changing an arm into a wing is not a simple miscopy, and the claim that millions of miscopies accumulating, with each benefiting the organism enough for natural selection to propogate it, finally resulting in a new function, is absurd.

Information degragating is tied directly to the real world. If the information in your DNA is changed by mutation, it can severly harm you. Seldom, if ever, can a mutation benefit you. It is a huge stretch of the imagination to say that this slow accumulation can account for all biodiversity.
It appears that many anti-evolutionists have gotten the notion that all mutations are harmful. That is not surprising considering all the media and education only talks about genetic disorders and defects. However, mutations are actually quite common, but produces a neutral effect. Beneficial mutations are well around and abundant, but just because it's not a person evolving wings so they could fly, it does not mean there are no beneficial mutations.
Imagine a gene has two alleles that we'll call "A" and "a." Let's assume that A is beneficial, that it gives an increase in fitness capabilities. Furthermore, this fitness increase due to A is universal: it applies everywhere, and in all environments*. This advantage could be anything: maybe it's easier to squeeze offspring through the birth canal, maybe it's a new, improved kind of tooth, an immune system that can now recognize a virus, or anything else you can imagine. When allele A initially evolves, it is rare (obviously, when it arises, there is only one copy of it in the entire population). Because it is beneficial, its frequency will rise, and A will ultimately dominate the population.
Now this is true that we easily observe these mutations taking over the population quite often, especially in speices that have very short generations. Bacteria has often been mutated to resist the latest and great antibiotic. This is just one example.
If you go to this site from the [l=National library of Medicine]http://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed[/] and search for "beneficial mutations", it will return over a thousand cases of beneficial mutations.
Nowhere near a stretch of imagination.

As for your argument about the usefulness of wings. There has been massive amounts of evidents that links birds to dinosaurs. Many feather-like structures have been found on land roaming dinosaurs. Their purpose was not to fly, but it was for warmth. There was actually this one "missing link" species found where a dinosaur would have wings, not for flight, but as a way to keep and heat, and flap the wings to expel heat.


 

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