Schwarzenegger will run for Gov.

[DragonMasterAlex]

PS: WHY is "st ab" a disallowed word?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SuperTool
With 300+ candidates running, noone is even going to get to S on that list

As of this morning it is 511 Candidates on the California ballot. Except for 510 of them everyone will go straight to S. Heck a lot of them that signed up just say they did it will probably even vote for Arny.

Wow, thats $1.7 mil for the state of california.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

You know why Foreigners care more about America's political, economic and social climate than we do? Because they've LIVED in countries where humans are rightless creatures enslaved to the government or "the society." They've watched their families starved, their friends murdered and their governments usurping power and wealth so they can redistribute it all in the name of "fairness." We Americans have lived in relative freedom for so long that we've grown ignorant of the rest of the world's suffering and become too intellectually LAZY to bother understanding WHY we have the freedom and prosperity we do and WHY the rest of the world SUFFERS. That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq.

Mr. DragonMaster, who are YOU to accuse Iraq war protestors of all those things? If you are on such a high moral pedestal as opposed to these monsters who dare protest against a war, why aren't YOU in Iraq right now fighting for the Iraqi people's freedom? Why are YOU in California when there's a whole world out there that needs to be liberated from tyrannical regimes? Have YOU ever supposed that people may have opposed the Iraq war for reasons other than the fact that they just "DON'T CARE about the suffering of others"?

Its easy to take the moral and intellectual highground in such arguments. But calling those who oppose you dumb, ignorant, and uncaring is always a very weak argument that only the intellectually LAZY use.

Sorry to go off topic, but such jingoistic thinking irks me.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Well he'll get my vote for sure. Anyone who thinks the man isn't intelligent should READ some of the things he's said and written. DO a google search, there's plenty of material for you to check out. Arnold is Liberal in all the right ways; he understands the importance of Individual Civil Liberties, of Education (Funny, the "Liberal" Davis doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about Education, but then, perhaps it's a simple plan: If you're constituents are ignorant, uneducated idiots you'll always win just because you're incumbent...). I would say he's Conservative in all the right ways, but it's more realistic to say he's Liberal in the CLASSICAL sense on economic issues (read: Libertarian; Conservatives have a nasty habit of painting themselves as Capitalism's defender only to st@b it in the back when it suits their political agenda) since he understands the FREE MARKET principles that made our nation's economy and social climate great and have kept us free. The man GREW UP under Socialism, he's seen first-hand how it doesn't work and the great suffering it visits upon people in the name of "the public good." You know why Foreigners care more about America's political, economic and social climate than we do? Because they've LIVED in countries where humans are rightless creatures enslaved to the government or "the society." They've watched their families starved, their friends murdered and their governments usurping power and wealth so they can redistribute it all in the name of "fairness." We Americans have lived in relative freedom for so long that we've grown ignorant of the rest of the world's suffering and become too intellectually LAZY to bother understanding WHY we have the freedom and prosperity we do and WHY the rest of the world SUFFERS. That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq. I say Go Arnold, you've got my vote, and probably that of every other Californian who is sick and tired of a state government that is offensive to its people and the industry and business that made it one of the nation's greatest centers of commerce and freedom. Jason

WE should nominate you for elite That is GREAT

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Monsta, take a look at the tapes. The majority of those protesting were young kinds, high school to college age. Most of them don't have the *education* to understand the complexities of the situation, and few, if ANY, have the faintest clue what life is like in many of these other countries. I daresay neither do YOU nor myself, not truly.

Perhaps you ought to review the many statements made during the 1940's and 50's when immigrants from the Soviet Union were discussing their experiences and trying to relate them to the interviewers researching "UnAmerican Activities." Listen to their descriptions, to the stories about loved ones lost, property stolen, rights that don't exist, and then try to put yourself in their situation. I've tried, and hard as I have, I can't do it. I simply *can't* conceive of what it's like.

Living in relative Freedom, however, I can say that in a similar situation I would hope that someone would come to my rescue, even if I were to scared to voice to myself the desire for it.

I'm sorry if you're offended, but I've not heard a single reason I buy for being against this conflict. By every measure, lives have been saved that would certainly have been lost, and probably in more brutal fashion. Let's not forget, too, that our military is 100% VOLUNTARY. They are there because they CHOOSE to be there, because they believe in what they are doing.

I think that's enough.

Jason

PS: I might point out that the question "Who are you to..." is tantamount to asking "Who are you to THINK", which is equal to "Who are you to LIVE?" I'm well within rights and reason to observe the world and its people, draw conclusions from observations and, so long as I don't get nastily out of line, to post them in a public forum such as this. If you don't agree, it's your right to state such, and I welcome and support your right to do so, and encourage you to exercise such rights.

 

[InfectedMushroom]

DragonMaster your argument doesn't hold water too well.
On one hand you say that foreigners care more about america, yet at the end you say that those protesting the war in Iraq don't care.
Care to show me many non-american born people who didn't opose the war?

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Well he'll get my vote for sure. Anyone who thinks the man isn't intelligent should READ some of the things he's said and written. DO a google search, there's plenty of material for you to check out.

Arnold is Liberal in all the right ways; he understands the importance of Individual Civil Liberties, of Education (Funny, the "Liberal" Davis doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about Education, but then, perhaps it's a simple plan: If you're constituents are ignorant, uneducated idiots you'll always win just because you're incumbent...).

I would say he's Conservative in all the right ways, but it's more realistic to say he's Liberal in the CLASSICAL sense on economic issues (read: Libertarian; Conservatives have a nasty habit of painting themselves as Capitalism's defender only to st@b it in the back when it suits their political agenda) since he understands the FREE MARKET principles that made our nation's economy and social climate great and have kept us free. The man GREW UP under Socialism, he's seen first-hand how it doesn't work and the great suffering it visits upon people in the name of "the public good."

You know why Foreigners care more about America's political, economic and social climate than we do? Because they've LIVED in countries where humans are rightless creatures enslaved to the government or "the society." They've watched their families starved, their friends murdered and their governments usurping power and wealth so they can redistribute it all in the name of "fairness." We Americans have lived in relative freedom for so long that we've grown ignorant of the rest of the world's suffering and become too intellectually LAZY to bother understanding WHY we have the freedom and prosperity we do and WHY the rest of the world SUFFERS. That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq.

I say Go Arnold, you've got my vote, and probably that of every other Californian who is sick and tired of a state government that is offensive to its people and the industry and business that made it one of the nation's greatest centers of commerce and freedom.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

You only have to go as far as to look at the list of nations who DID support us to find that many more nations were WITH us than AGAINST us. Countries like France, Germany, Russia and China--all of whom had strong FINANCIAL ties to Iraq--should be considered what they truly are: Monsters who were against the war because they were more concerned with turning a PROFIT off the backs of an oppressed people.

Find me a more dispicable position than that!

Jason

PS: Though it shouldn't *have* to be said, the foreigners I specifically meant are those who've come here from countries where they stood no chance to rise above the "class" into which they were born. How many hundreds of millions have found freedom and the ability to rise up when they came here, while their friends and family in their native lands suffered at the hands of tyranny?

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

I'm sorry if you're offended, but I've not heard a single reason I buy for being against this conflict. By every measure, lives have been saved that would certainly have been lost, and probably in more brutal fashion. Let's not forget, too, that our military is 100% VOLUNTARY. They are there because they CHOOSE to be there, because they believe in what they are doing.

Well I believe there were "good reasons" and "bad reasons" for the war. I believe the good reasons are those you have stated. But the "bad reasons" such as the imminent threat to our country, the proliferation of WMDs and the ties to Al Qaeda were misleading to the public and illegal and immoral to make on the world stage.

I think this war was morally correct for the humanitarian cause but still illegal, if you get my drift. Why the Administration had to sell it on the "bad reasons" is beyond me. Tony Blair's speech to Congress a few weeks ago should have been made to the world before the war, but it wasn't. I might be naive, but I think the world would have gone along with us if we made the case for the "good reasons", but from my memory the case wasn't made that way. If the whole world put pressure on the regime with the threat of war, then Saddam may have buckled and war could have been avoided.

I also have issues with having to "build a case" for war. In my opinion, the need for war should be obvious. In this instance where the President had to make a case for it that was still opposed by many in this country and across the globe, I find that one must question whether war was the right course of action. The reason your statement irked me is because it seemed you were trying to make the case that war was the only action possible. That it was either invade or leave Saddam totally alone. Its that black and white thinking that worries me. I see it in the current President, which worries me even more. The best solution usually lies in the shades of grey.

Edit: I just realized the title of this thread and how off topic I went. This'll be my last post on the matter here...

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Well he'll get my vote for sure. Anyone who thinks the man isn't intelligent should READ some of the things he's said and written. DO a google search, there's plenty of material for you to check out. Arnold is Liberal in all the right ways; he understands the importance of Individual Civil Liberties, of Education (Funny, the "Liberal" Davis doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about Education, but then, perhaps it's a simple plan: If you're constituents are ignorant, uneducated idiots you'll always win just because you're incumbent...). I would say he's Conservative in all the right ways, but it's more realistic to say he's Liberal in the CLASSICAL sense on economic issues (read: Libertarian; Conservatives have a nasty habit of painting themselves as Capitalism's defender only to st@b it in the back when it suits their political agenda) since he understands the FREE MARKET principles that made our nation's economy and social climate great and have kept us free. The man GREW UP under Socialism, he's seen first-hand how it doesn't work and the great suffering it visits upon people in the name of "the public good." You know why Foreigners care more about America's political, economic and social climate than we do? Because they've LIVED in countries where humans are rightless creatures enslaved to the government or "the society." They've watched their families starved, their friends murdered and their governments usurping power and wealth so they can redistribute it all in the name of "fairness." We Americans have lived in relative freedom for so long that we've grown ignorant of the rest of the world's suffering and become too intellectually LAZY to bother understanding WHY we have the freedom and prosperity we do and WHY the rest of the world SUFFERS. That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq. I say Go Arnold, you've got my vote, and probably that of every other Californian who is sick and tired of a state government that is offensive to its people and the industry and business that made it one of the nation's greatest centers of commerce and freedom. Jason

WE should nominate you for elite That is GREAT

All I can say is Wow....

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
PS: WHY is "st ab" a disallowed word?

same reason why "f@p" is, too much neffing going on with it. If anyone had a rant about someone, someone would invariable say to "st@b them"

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Monsta, I think you and I agree on this, then. I don't know whether yet to think that the WMD crap was "lies" or if even the Prez had bad info (I mean hey, $$hit happens to us all but I never agreed with his predicating the war on the WMD or the Al Quaeda ties (though it's good that there's been a lot of documentation found to support some Al Quaeda goings-on inside Iraq...). I understand that the threat isn't so much that Iraq could attack us (since they couldn't) but that they might give nasty things to terrorists, who as we saw on 9/11, are really good at doing nasty things without getting caught in advance.

Personally, I think he should have just come out and said something like, "OK, the Iraqi people have suffered under a violent dicator for more than 20 years. Each year something to the order of 100,000 Iraqis disappear or are killed for things that shouldn't be crimes in the first place. They starve while their leaders build palaces, and Saddam's sons are looking to be even worse than he is once he dies. Because we believe that all people, regardless of color, race or religion, have the right to their own lives, their own liberty, their own pursuit of happiness, we are going to remove the Despots who rule their country and set those people free."

Then what protest could anyone have possibly made? Only the protest that they DON'T think everyone deserves freedom.

Personally, I think everyone does, and I stand behind every effort to assert the rights of human beings to live in freedom and peace, with a government that PROTECTS their rights, not tramples all over them.

Jason

 

[Gaard]

DMA,
I'm pretty sure that those who protested the war with Iraq weren't doing so because they were against the liberation of the Iraqi's. In fact, I'm a little more than 'pretty sure'. If you can show me otherwise, I'll gladly thank you for showing me light.
It's probably more accurate to say that those who protested the war did so because they didn't think the reasons given (WMD, imminent threat, resolution violations) warranted putting this country at war.
If, however, you feel that the liberation of a tortured/brutalized people is all that's needed for this country to wage war and occupy/conquer another country, then I'm sure your name would be first on the list of signatures asking our government to put this country at war with the multitudes of other countries ruled by despots.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
This will generate many many jokes...

If he wins, he'll do a good job

Yeah Right. The only thing bigger thanhis arms is his ego...which is why that Steriod Horse is running. Don't get me wrong, as far as Celebrities goes he is tops on my list but do you really want a BodyBuilder with poor taste in women and a niche for the cliche running your state when it is so far in the red? Who's going to be his press secretary, Gilbert Godfreid? Is Jaime Lee Curtis going to be on his staff (better than his fugly wife Maria who is also a God Damned Kennedy)

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Well he'll get my vote for sure. Anyone who thinks the man isn't intelligent should READ some of the things he's said and written. DO a google search, there's plenty of material for you to check out. Arnold is Liberal in all the right ways; he understands the importance of Individual Civil Liberties, of Education (Funny, the "Liberal" Davis doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about Education, but then, perhaps it's a simple plan: If you're constituents are ignorant, uneducated idiots you'll always win just because you're incumbent...). I would say he's Conservative in all the right ways, but it's more realistic to say he's Liberal in the CLASSICAL sense on economic issues (read: Libertarian; Conservatives have a nasty habit of painting themselves as Capitalism's defender only to st@b it in the back when it suits their political agenda) since he understands the FREE MARKET principles that made our nation's economy and social climate great and have kept us free. The man GREW UP under Socialism, he's seen first-hand how it doesn't work and the great suffering it visits upon people in the name of "the public good." You know why Foreigners care more about America's political, economic and social climate than we do? Because they've LIVED in countries where humans are rightless creatures enslaved to the government or "the society." They've watched their families starved, their friends murdered and their governments usurping power and wealth so they can redistribute it all in the name of "fairness." We Americans have lived in relative freedom for so long that we've grown ignorant of the rest of the world's suffering and become too intellectually LAZY to bother understanding WHY we have the freedom and prosperity we do and WHY the rest of the world SUFFERS. That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq. I say Go Arnold, you've got my vote, and probably that of every other Californian who is sick and tired of a state government that is offensive to its people and the industry and business that made it one of the nation's greatest centers of commerce and freedom. Jason

WE should nominate you for elite That is GREAT

All I can say is Wow....

I liked it.... but just know socialisms never been tried (It is sometimes practiced at the company level, with employee-owned firms.) it's too democratic for the elites.

 

[LunarRay]

I will vote "NO" on the recall and will vote for either Huffington or Cruz (Lt. Gov) if it is successful. What in the name of Gooses can anyone do that Davis won't... or didn't do? Arnold is as social a liberal as Maria... or Uncle Bobby... So he'll spend... He's a businessman alright... so what will he accomplish that Davis could or did not?

 

[zephyrprime]

I just learned that Gary Coleman is also running. It'd be hillarious if he won!

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Honestly, if you think that Socialism's never been practiced, you must have skipped World History *altogether* in College It's BEEN practiced again and again and again, and it is NOT Democratic, what it inevitably leads to is a bloodbath. Socialism is NOT compatible with Human Nature. The flaw is NOT in Human Nature, the flaw is in SOCIALISM, which MAN created (and without bothering to consult Human Nature, I might add, a dangerous but forgiveable error, given that the level of knowledge about Human Nature at the time was very, very limited...)

Socialism will, simply, NEVER work. It is a POOR idea and it always was.

Jason

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Well he'll get my vote for sure. Anyone who thinks the man isn't intelligent should READ some of the things he's said and written. DO a google search, there's plenty of material for you to check out.

Arnold is Liberal in all the right ways; he understands the importance of Individual Civil Liberties, of Education (Funny, the "Liberal" Davis doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about Education, but then, perhaps it's a simple plan: If you're constituents are ignorant, uneducated idiots you'll always win just because you're incumbent...).

I would say he's Conservative in all the right ways, but it's more realistic to say he's Liberal in the CLASSICAL sense on economic issues (read: Libertarian; Conservatives have a nasty habit of painting themselves as Capitalism's defender only to st@b it in the back when it suits their political agenda) since he understands the FREE MARKET principles that made our nation's economy and social climate great and have kept us free. The man GREW UP under Socialism, he's seen first-hand how it doesn't work and the great suffering it visits upon people in the name of "the public good."

You know why Foreigners care more about America's political, economic and social climate than we do? Because they've LIVED in countries where humans are rightless creatures enslaved to the government or "the society." They've watched their families starved, their friends murdered and their governments usurping power and wealth so they can redistribute it all in the name of "fairness." We Americans have lived in relative freedom for so long that we've grown ignorant of the rest of the world's suffering and become too intellectually LAZY to bother understanding WHY we have the freedom and prosperity we do and WHY the rest of the world SUFFERS. That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq.

I say Go Arnold, you've got my vote, and probably that of every other Californian who is sick and tired of a state government that is offensive to its people and the industry and business that made it one of the nation's greatest centers of commerce and freedom.

Jason

stop breathing.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Well he'll get my vote for sure. Anyone who thinks the man isn't intelligent should READ some of the things he's said and written. DO a google search, there's plenty of material for you to check out.

Arnold is Liberal in all the right ways; he understands the importance of Individual Civil Liberties, of Education (Funny, the "Liberal" Davis doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about Education, but then, perhaps it's a simple plan: If you're constituents are ignorant, uneducated idiots you'll always win just because you're incumbent...).

I would say he's Conservative in all the right ways, but it's more realistic to say he's Liberal in the CLASSICAL sense on economic issues (read: Libertarian; Conservatives have a nasty habit of painting themselves as Capitalism's defender only to st@b it in the back when it suits their political agenda) since he understands the FREE MARKET principles that made our nation's economy and social climate great and have kept us free. The man GREW UP under Socialism, he's seen first-hand how it doesn't work and the great suffering it visits upon people in the name of "the public good."

You know why Foreigners care more about America's political, economic and social climate than we do? Because they've LIVED in countries where humans are rightless creatures enslaved to the government or "the society." They've watched their families starved, their friends murdered and their governments usurping power and wealth so they can redistribute it all in the name of "fairness." We Americans have lived in relative freedom for so long that we've grown ignorant of the rest of the world's suffering and become too intellectually LAZY to bother understanding WHY we have the freedom and prosperity we do and WHY the rest of the world SUFFERS. That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq.

I say Go Arnold, you've got my vote, and probably that of every other Californian who is sick and tired of a state government that is offensive to its people and the industry and business that made it one of the nation's greatest centers of commerce and freedom.

Jason

stop breathing.

stop thread crapping.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Gaard, I understand many people's reservations concerning the WMD's and other issues not being adequate. I do not share their concerns. Perhaps their evidence WAS wrong. Perhaps there are NO WMD's. Nevertheless I DO think that the Liberation of an Oppressed people is a valid and noble cause. Dicatorships are NOT valid forms of government and have no place in a world that claims to respect and revere the rights of human beings.

Would I put this or any other nation immediately at war with every dictator on earth? Of course not, don't be stupid. There are still far more of them than there are of us. However, when it becomes clear that any given country continues to abuse its people, usurp power and wealth and generally threaten its neighbors and its citizens even after repeated warnings, I do believe it is appropriate, moral and necessary to overthrow such dictators and liberate the people of the oppressed nations.

I'm not much of a Bush fan, but what I *was* impressed with him about during the war were his statements to clearly illustrate that "This is NOT a war against the Iraqi people, it is a war against the dictators who rule their country." THAT, I think, was awesome and RARE.

Jason

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Gaard, I understand many people's reservations concerning the WMD's and other issues not being adequate. I do not share their concerns. Perhaps their evidence WAS wrong. Perhaps there are NO WMD's. Nevertheless I DO think that the Liberation of an Oppressed people is a valid and noble cause. Dicatorships are NOT valid forms of government and have no place in a world that claims to respect and revere the rights of human beings.

Would I put this or any other nation immediately at war with every dictator on earth? Of course not, don't be stupid. There are still far more of them than there are of us. However, when it becomes clear that any given country continues to abuse its people, usurp power and wealth and generally threaten its neighbors and its citizens even after repeated warnings, I do believe it is appropriate, moral and necessary to overthrow such dictators and liberate the people of the oppressed nations.

I'm not much of a Bush fan, but what I *was* impressed with him about during the war were his statements to clearly illustrate that "This is NOT a war against the Iraqi people, it is a war against the dictators who rule their country." THAT, I think, was awesome and RARE.

Jason

Of course you have your opinion on what reasons are good enough to start a war over. That's cool. Actually, though, I was making a point about this comment you made...That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq.
I don't recall any protester saying, "I am against the Iraqi's being free." Also, if I were a little more sensitive, I might take offense to your statement that if you were against the war you didn't care about the suffering of others.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Gaard, I understand many people's reservations concerning the WMD's and other issues not being adequate. I do not share their concerns. Perhaps their evidence WAS wrong. Perhaps there are NO WMD's. Nevertheless I DO think that the Liberation of an Oppressed people is a valid and noble cause. Dicatorships are NOT valid forms of government and have no place in a world that claims to respect and revere the rights of human beings.

Would I put this or any other nation immediately at war with every dictator on earth? Of course not, don't be stupid. There are still far more of them than there are of us. However, when it becomes clear that any given country continues to abuse its people, usurp power and wealth and generally threaten its neighbors and its citizens even after repeated warnings, I do believe it is appropriate, moral and necessary to overthrow such dictators and liberate the people of the oppressed nations.

I'm not much of a Bush fan, but what I *was* impressed with him about during the war were his statements to clearly illustrate that "This is NOT a war against the Iraqi people, it is a war against the dictators who rule their country." THAT, I think, was awesome and RARE.

Jason

Of course you have your opinion on what reasons are good enough to start a war over. That's cool. Actually, though, I was making a point about this comment you made...That's why we have scores of people who protest against efforts to liberate people who have been tortured and brutalized by the very governments that SHOULD have been there to protect them. If you want to see people who DON'T CARE about the suffering of others, look no further than a protester against the war in Iraq.
I don't recall any protester saying, "I am against the Iraqi's being free." Also, if I were a little more sensitive, I might take offense to your statement that if you were against the war you didn't care about the suffering of others.

I doubt many protesters would have said they did not want Iraq free, but they knew that no war would keep them under Saddam.

 

[DealMonkey]

Not to change the topic or anything, but what about Arnold's Nazi problem?

Slate.com: Why won't he repudiate Kurt Waldheim?

Here's a question Jay Leno forgot to ask Arnold Schwarzenegger when he announced his candidacy for governor of California on last night's Tonight Show: "Will you renounce your support for Kurt Waldheim?"

...

 

[da loser]

that holds as much water as saying his father is a nazi. the guy works in hollywood... plus he has given so much to jewish organizations.

the other dirt of marijuana smoking is killed in california. he's a womanizer, so is clinton. they got nothing on him. maybe they could go after his business deals and tax returns, but i doubt it. the republicans would elect bill clinton if he had an r by his name.

it looks like the only thing anyone can say is his lack of experience, and so far of a plan. but it's 2 days, so a plan will come soon. this guy might seem like an outsider, but he has a lot of republican backing, plus he's married to a kennedy.

it's interesting, they produced a clean state with lots of incentives for people to live there, but not for people to work there. it just shows how capitalism continues to work. if things get out of hand, people leave, if things are undervalued, people come. californians get to show whether their regulations are sustainable, be at the forefront of progress or disaster .

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Not to change the topic or anything, but what about Arnold's Nazi problem?

Slate.com: Why won't he repudiate Kurt Waldheim?

Here's a question Jay Leno forgot to ask Arnold Schwarzenegger when he announced his candidacy for governor of California on last night's Tonight Show: "Will you renounce your support for Kurt Waldheim?"

...

Do you still beat your wife?