Schwarzenegger (R) Fails to Build Broad Support in CA (Legislature)

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: sandorski
I have nothing against Arnold and it seems the situation is out of his hands, but what of the Republicans who made such a fuss over Davis? It seems like the whole campaign to oust Davis may turn out to be a complete farce and waste of time. Shouldn't they have known that replacing just 1 person(governor) was pointless and would result in nothing? Did they just waste everyone's time and money?

you forget that there was a large number of democrats that were unhappy with davis's performance.

Perhaps, but as I understand it the whole Recall campaign was started by Republicans shortly after the last election. Were Democrats so unhappy as to start the Recall?

davis had a 30% approval rating.

 

[charrison]

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SACRAMENTO ? Rebuffed by state lawmakers in an early test of his administration, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will now try to bypass the Legislature whenever feasible and tap into the public support he commands by bringing his agenda directly to the ballot, administration aides said Saturday.

The governor, himself, remained publicly silent about Friday night's defeat of the state spending limit and $15 billion bond measure he had proposed. His aides, however, cast the votes as confirmation that the Legislature is ignoring the message of the Oct. 7th recall vote and the mandate they contend Schwarzenegger won.

That campaign would take to the ballot possibly more than a half-dozen measures sponsored by Schwarzenegger and various groups aligned with him. Included would be a constitutional amendment for a balanced budget and spending cap, and a package of changes in the state's workers compensation system, according to a Schwarzenegger adviser.

The govenator goes to the people.

 

[Red Dawn]

Come on,did anybody really expect that Tuetonic Twit to make a difference? He's an actor for christsakes and not really a good one!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Arnold is the governor. His base of political power is the folks who voted for him. The political machine in California works in strange ways. It is a progression up the ladder. With term limits it has been changed to be this. Davis in '74 was Jerry's Chief of Staff. He garnered great support in that role and it carried him to the state mansion. No one should doubt what is being played out now is two games. One game is to diffuse the 'Arnold the savior' concept because that could endanger many of the current office holders from reelection or upward movement. They, the real power in the state, will mosey on down the road putting the Federal Tail on the fiscal problems of California. A vote of 34 to 0 must be seen as the first slap at Arnold. The second game is to recognize just where the fiscal problems arise from. Any one can look at the budget inflows and see the dramatic drop in revenue. That is tax dollars lost due to unemployment and some even due to business restructure. Not business flight (although some of that has occurred) folks are consolidating in areas where it is most cost beneficial to them. Kentucky and other states have much more favorable labor rates etc. California has a standard of living that requires a suitable wage to exist. The problem in California is Californian folks need becoming poor so business will come here to avail themselves of cheap labor. Our housing market has to hit bottom and the 2,000,000$ homes have to be priced at 125,000$ and then we will be able to attract business. Our problems are just beginning, I think.

edit to clear up "and some even due to business restructure".. I'm speaking of the business income tax.. Business flight to me is a company moving due to restrictive regulations in California.

Alternately we just need a million dollar a year minimum wage. Everybody and their business will move here and the tax base will be huge.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
DM you are so off base here. How in the world can Ahnold convice the SBL(Socialist Buffoon Legislature) to do anything if they are so one sided and digging their heels in? Blackmail? Personal Threats? Mind Control? You expect Ahnold to go behind their backs, sign a few bills here and there, and break the Law just like Davis did with the illegal tripling of the Car Tax? What logical answer do you have when the SBL is preventing any changes whatsoever to their crazed spending habits, and attempts to fix the Budget problems.IF THEY WONT MOVE, NOTHING WILL MOVE! This isnt a dictatorship if you havnt noticed.

Given what you are saying, how was it Davis' fault that the budget issues couldn't be brought under control?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli

The car tax was passed in Wilson's administration.. I'm pretty sure.. anyway the full impact of the law was reduced because of the surplus a few years back.. it is not or was not illegal.

The State Controller is responsible for making determinations relative to the Car Tax trigger. (Davis and Westly opined that a phantom bureaucrat could pull the trigger)

The Car Tax cannot be raised unless the State runs out of cash. (not when the state realizes a deficit, as asserted by Davis and Westly)

The State Controller must evaluate the fiscal situation each month at the time the DMV sends its notification of VLF receipts and offsets applied, and make a determination as to whether there are sufficient funds to fully or partially restore the offsets. (Davis and Westly did not address this issue)

Yes, it was illegal.

The above that you posted is really a quote from an article so I'll help you out and post the link..
link to your quote This it seems is the state Republican Caucus..


But, this disagrees with it..

"Lawyers for Gov. Gray Davis and state Controller Steve Westly announced an agreement Monday that ended a weeks-long impasse over midyear budget cuts and could lead to a tripling of the annual vehicle license fee -- without a vote of the Legislature or the public.
In a joint legal opinion, the chief counsels for Westly and Davis' Department of Finance concluded that a shortage of state cash can trigger an automatic increase in the fees.
The 10-page legal memo does not spell out exactly when, or if, the fee will be increased, and it largely shields the two elected Democrats from the politically prickly task of raising it.
But it provided the assurance that Assembly Democrats were seeking to approve about $3 billion in midyear budget cuts three months after the governor had requested them.
"I feel comfortable in saying that the conditions are such that the trigger can be pulled, and given the situation that we are in, I believe that in fact it will be pulled," said Assembly Speaker Herb Wesson, D-Culver City."

Link to my quote

 

[LunarRay]

MB,

Alternately we just need a million dollar a year minimum wage. Everybody and their business will move here and the tax base will be huge.

I can agree in theory.. with that.. In fact, up there in Berzerkely they make money hand over fist.. I think that area alone ought to fund the entire state's needs..
Now if we can get a certain Iowaian to move and inculcate the dogma.. we'll be set...

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep, California Republicans have their scapegoat in Davis, and are now free to loot the state treasury just as they're looting the federal treasury. And, of course, the vehicle is low taxes, particularly for the wealthy, and increased debt.

When Californians realize that they can't have something for nothing, and that they'll merely make it worse in the end by sticking their collective heads in the sand, they'll be ready to do something about it. Namely restructuring their tax system to allow them to pay for all the stuff they want and need from their state government. Until then, the bait and switch pie in the sky Republican looting spree will continue...

 

[LunarRay]

The more expensive the car the more the car tax.. so I wonder who benefits from Arnold's executive order the most.. surely not the college student driving a 12 year old car..

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

5.) He repealed the "CA Car Tax" which has forced CA further into the hole.

By repealing the car tax the state will get more money because car sales will go back up to normal levels.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So, what I'm hearing is that we've dumped Davis who was an ineffectual dipsh!t, in favor of Arnold who promised to change Sacramento and get our fiscal house in order. Only now that he's not getting us anywhere except deeper in the hole, I'm hearing that it's OK for Arnold to be ineffectual, because it's the legislature's fault. Blah, blah, blah. Lame excuses. That's what I'm hearing. We've swapped one gumby for a slightly different gumby.

The guy has only been in office for what, a few days, and you've already penned him a failure.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

5.) He repealed the "CA Car Tax" which has forced CA further into the hole.

By repealing the car tax the state will get more money because car sales will go back up to normal levels.

Gee, don't ya think all those out of work folks had a little something to do with the drop in car sales.. ?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

5.) He repealed the "CA Car Tax" which has forced CA further into the hole.

By repealing the car tax the state will get more money because car sales will go back up to normal levels.

Gee, don't ya think all those out of work folks had a little something to do with the drop in car sales.. ?

What folks out of work? Jobs are growing at a "Soaring" pace according to News reports and the AT Experts.

 

[LunarRay]

DM,

What folks out of work? Jobs are growing at a "Soaring" pace according to News reports and the AT Experts.

Well... the ones that caused the tax revenue to drop by 26% last year and continue to not pay into the system.. that means to me at least, that if the jobs are being increased they are not tax paying jobs. The business tax revenue is off too but, the individual tax payer is the one who contributes to the individual tax revenue pool.

Also, the interest rates dropped significantly on autos that one might conclude that the interest savings would be much greater than the car registration tax.. so if someone does not buy only because the car tax increased must simply purchase a cheaper car and break even. I think there is more to meet the eye than simply car tax..

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

5.) He repealed the "CA Car Tax" which has forced CA further into the hole.

By repealing the car tax the state will get more money because car sales will go back up to normal levels.

Gee, don't ya think all those out of work folks had a little something to do with the drop in car sales.. ?

Car sales in California dropped by 33% the month the car tax went into effect. Are you denying it had no effect?

 

[LunarRay]

Not hardly, I'd protest for a month or so too then if my needs existed the cost of the car is what it costs

 

[chess9]

God forbid that California should have a meaningful property tax. No wonder they're broke. They live in LaLa Land and think The Tooth Fairy pays for everything.

All the conservatives who think Cali should simply disappear into the Pacific are right.

-Robert

 

[LunarRay]

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[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: chess9
God forbid that California should have a meaningful property tax. No wonder they're broke. They live in LaLa Land and think The Tooth Fairy pays for everything.
All the conservatives who think Cali should simply disappear into the Pacific are right.
-Robert

Property is taxed at 1% of assessed valuation .. but, the home are way over priced.. half a million for a typical nice area in SD. That's about 5000$ a year plus all the add ons.. like fire and lighting and bonds and this and that.. makes it about 6K$ a year.. is that not enough.

edit.. I should add that it does have a 2% max for the next year unless it is sold then the purchase price is the value upon which the tax is applied.. if you don't sell it only goes up 2% per year.

 

[heartsurgeon]

why not headline the article "Liberal CA Legislature defies Will of the Electorate!" or "CA legislature fails to learn from recent recall of Gov. Davis (D)"

I believe the Governor was elected to accomplish certain things, in the manner that he
stated he would. By defying the Governor, the legislature is defacto defying the recently pronounced will of the people of california. perhaps the california legislature needs to "realigned" in the next election.

to claim as the title does that "Schwarzenegger Fails to build broad support." is at best disingenious, and in actually represents an editorial position in describing what has happened as failure on the Governor's part. Perhaps it is the legislature that has failed to learn anything from the recall of Davis..

 

[chess9]

LunarRay:

Smarter people than me have noted the low relative property tax rates in California.

The problem with California is the mind set. LA in particular has a large group of people whose DNA doesn't include common sense. The good weather, great high tech jobs, etc. have spoiled a lot of people. They need to live in Northern Minnesota for a few years. Doesn't California also have one of the highest rates of bankruptcy? See, they max their credit cards and then wonder why they can't pay their bills. It's in the culture. Even the Republicans are infected with it. Save money during the good times and spend it during lean-if you must- is the idea. But they just spend, spend, spend. If they have a surplus they reduce taxes, which is just another way to spend. One of these days we're going to have a governor and state legislature that will actually build a surplus for longer than one year. Uh, on second thought it'll never happen.

-Robert

 

[XZeroII]

WTF is wrong with people and bashing his bond proposal? Are you people incredibly smart and have some magical plan that no other person in the world has thought of? or are you incredibly stupid and criticizing what you don't understand?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
WTF is wrong with people and bashing his bond proposal? Are you people incredibly smart and have some magical plan that no other person in the world has thought of? or are you incredibly stupid and criticizing what you don't understand?

The second choice applies.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

5.) He repealed the "CA Car Tax" which has forced CA further into the hole.

By repealing the car tax the state will get more money because car sales will go back up to normal levels.

Gee, don't ya think all those out of work folks had a little something to do with the drop in car sales.. ?

No. The first weekend after the car tax went back up, new car sales were down 30%. The following weekend they were down an additional 30%. That has everything to do with the law and nothing to do with unemployment.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: XZeroII
WTF is wrong with people and bashing his bond proposal? Are you people incredibly smart and have some magical plan that no other person in the world has thought of? or are you incredibly stupid and criticizing what you don't understand?

The second choice applies.

I tend to agree