Schools start later in CA

[ch33zw1z]

Feel free to link that up. Also fine isn't the same as optimal.

In the “old days”, my older son would dropped out in 4th grade and been a mechanic. Now we have methods to help people and teach how they need. Being unable to change, like geek, is a feature not a bug in the R world

 

[repoman0]

Just checked the rankings, seems like Mass is actually #1 public schools in the country, followed by CT and then NJ. I hear a lot of people say on various subreddits that they won't leave NJ because they want their kids to get a top public education to then get into a good college. It's a feature of living in these states. You pay more but you get more. Generally better medical and public services too.

But the huge burden of a 5% state income tax!

Personally I happily pay it because I prefer to not be surrounded by morons. Lot of major quality of life upgrades for that 5% as well ... I’m looking forward to 12 weeks of paid paternity leave as mandated by the state for example. Businesses deal with it because it turns out a highly educated and happy workforce is worth a lot more than a minor tax burden.

My brother moved to North Carolina from NYC a couple years ago and was complaining about how dumb the people are within a week 😂

 

[MrSquished]

But the huge burden of a 5% state income tax!

Personally I happily pay it because I prefer to not be surrounded by morons. Lot of major quality of life upgrades for that 5% as well ... I’m looking forward to 12 weeks of paid paternity leave as mandated by the state for example. Businesses deal with it because it turns out a highly educated and happy workforce is worth a lot more than a minor tax burden.

My brother moved to North Carolina from NYC a couple years ago and was complaining about how dumb the people are within a week 😂

Ha. Exactly. You do pay state income tax in certain states, but in many YOU GET SHIT FOR IT.

Public services, including schools, are known to be better in most blue states than red, as a general rule of thumb.

Maybe if these stupid small government conservatives were willing to pony up some cash, they'd have better lives for them, their families and the surrounding communities. Like maybe better school bus service in shitty south carolina.

 

[iRONic]

Cash instead of bootstraps?!?!

 

[Exterous]

We could use a later start around here. Some of the lunch periods start before 10:30am!

 

[Pipeline 1010]

This isn't a conversation about race or civil rights, minimum wage, safety laws, or overtime. It is about getting up on time to go to school.

It also prepared them to get up to go to work and being on time and flexible.

Everybody functioned fine in the old days, but you are entitled to your opinion(s).

There are LOTS of opportunities to get up on time in life. You don't have to make it harder just for the sake of making it harder. They still have to get up in time to get to school, it's just later now and much more productive due to how the Circadian Rhythm works. You are literally fighting nature on this one, and it literally makes things worse, not better. Life is already going to F you in the A without you making stuff intentionally tough.

Then again, I suppose you could require your kids to walk 3 miles to school since the school bus makes things easier and doesn't teach them to be tough and walk long distances. This worked just fine in the old days. Or require them to churn butter instead of purchasing it at the store. You could require them to build their own bedroom addon to the house before they are allowed to sleep indoors. Wait a second...I think I just figured something out about you....are you Amish? That would explain some things

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Everybody functioned fine in the old days, but you are entitled to your opinion(s).

<Old Man Voice>
Back in my day we had to walk 5 miles barefoot through the snow every morning. And that was just to get to the bus stop. And when the bus got there, we had to push it. We didn't have wheels back then, we had squares. It was uphill both ways. It took us 4 hours to push it to school. By the time we got to school, it was time to head back home. We did all our homework and learning while pushing the bus. That's how it was, and that's how it should be.
</Old Man Voice>

Joking aside, not everybody functioned fine in the old days. Ask slaves, black people 75 years after slavery ended, Japanese, Italian, and Mexican immigrants in the early 1900s, polio sufferers, and basically everyone who wasn't on Leave it to Beaver. This is how things work: we find better ways to do things and then we do them. While it is good to repeat things that have worked in the past, we shouldn't fail to improve things simply because some segment of society was able to struggle their way through things in the past.

 

[pcgeek11]

Joking aside, not everybody functioned fine in the old days. Ask slaves, black people 75 years after slavery ended, Japanese, Italian, and Mexican immigrants in the early 1900s, polio sufferers, and basically everyone who wasn't on Leave it to Beaver. This is how things work: we find better ways to do things and then we do them. While it is good to repeat things that have worked in the past, we shouldn't fail to improve things simply because some segment of society was able to struggle their way through things in the past.

Why the reason to change the subject to all this BS?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Why the reason to change the subject to all this BS?

society changes over time. "we should do X because that's how we've always done it" is poor thinking for the advancement of civilization.

if we can make changes that enhance student learning, we should do that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why the reason to change the subject to all this BS?

guess the good ole days weren’t so good then.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Why the reason to change the subject to all this BS?

I was directly responding to stuff you commented on. The entire point is just because people have been doing things a certain way and surviving doesn't necessarily mean it's still the best way. Can you agree with that?

 

[uclaLabrat]

Ha. Exactly. You do pay state income tax in certain states, but in many YOU GET SHIT FOR IT.

Public services, including schools, are known to be better in most blue states than red, as a general rule of thumb.

Maybe if these stupid small government conservatives were willing to pony up some cash, they'd have better lives for them, their families and the surrounding communities. Like maybe better school bus service in shitty south carolina.

Completely anecdotal but ive heard multiple instances of conservatives fleeing central valley commiefornia for red state enclaves like arkansas. Probay half moved back within a year for the reasons you mentioned...no medical care access, dirt roads, shit infrastructure, etc.

People bitch about income taxes in Ca but unless youre making over $250k ($400k for married couples) your state incone tax is going to be lower than a lot of red states.

Of course that never gets communicated cause it goes against the tribal doctrine.

 

[iRONic]

Greenclown mentioned he’s retiring to Mississippi or Alabama I think…

 

[ch33zw1z]

Completely anecdotal but ive heard multiple instances of conservatives fleeing central valley commiefornia for red state enclaves like arkansas. Probay half moved back within a year for the reasons you mentioned...no medical care access, dirt roads, shit infrastructure, etc.

People bitch about income taxes in Ca but unless youre making over $250k ($400k for married couples) your state incone tax is going to be lower than a lot of red states.

Of course that never gets communicated cause it goes against the tribal doctrine.

Sales tax is often ignored completely. We focus big time on income tax for whatever reason

State and Local Sales Tax Rates, 2021

While many factors influence business location and investment decisions, sales taxes are something within lawmakers’ control that can have immediate impacts.

taxfoundation.org

 

[vi edit]

There's so many things that affect your overall cost of living outside of the purchase price of your home.

- Property taxes (which vary wildly down to the zip code you live in, you can't directly tie that to city/state, it's much more specific). An 800k house on the SE side of the river in Portland is $9,000 a year in property taxes. Go across the river to the SW side and it's $14,000.

- Property insurance. I paid almost $2500 a year in homeowners insurance on a $400k home in Kentucky. I pay $400..yes $400 in Portland on a $750k one.

- State income taxes. Anywhere from 0 to over 9% depending on the state and your income level.

- City taxes. When I lived in Lexington, KY there was a 1% city tax. In Portland proper I have a similar tax but it's only on income over $100k.

- Car insurance. My car insurance doubled moving to Kentucky from IL because of a premium on no-fault payouts. It was almost $2k a year for a minivan and camry with no accidents/tickets.

- Sales tax as mentioned. I live in a state where there isn't any. And when you go to buy a car, well that's pretty nice to not have to pay that.

- Car registration. In IL I paid under a $100 a year. It used to be $78 per car to register. In Nebraska it was tied to the value of your car. Moving to Nebraska and getting a $600 annual registration renewal sucked. Kentucky was similar. It was $400 a year for my Minivan.

- Utilities. Move from a moderate climate like SoCal or PNW to swamp ass southeast and enjoy your $200+ a month electric bill. My electric and gas for the month of May in Portland was $80. $60 for electric and $20 for natural gas. And we're even on the expensive and bougie renewable energy only plan.

- Commute and gas costs. My wife and I can commute to work and back on bikes for the low price of...$0 a gallon in gas. If you live in a rural space and have to drive everywhere, enjoy your hundreds in gas each month. And when you live in ass crack no-where with little to do, you just end up driving more and more to actually do things. Costing even more.

All of that stuff adds up to overall COL burden.

 

[ElFenix]

Sales tax is often ignored completely. We focus big time on income tax for whatever reason

State and Local Sales Tax Rates, 2021

While many factors influence business location and investment decisions, sales taxes are something within lawmakers’ control that can have immediate impacts.

taxfoundation.org

texas has a higher tax burden on the first 3 quintiles than california, and california isn't much higher on the 4th quintile (like 1% or so). so the bottom 70% of tax payers aren't hit as hard in high tax california as they are in low tax texas. because texas has the second most regressive tax structure in america (wtf are you doing, washington?)

 

[Homerboy]

its mind boggling (but not shocking) that the push back on this data driven (and generally common sense) would come from the conservative side of the room. It's just so odd how they simply don't want things to change at all and everything to stay like they were in the 'good ole days". it's like they bought into Leave it to Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet hook, line and sinker. Just freaking dumb.

 

[pcgeek11]

I was directly responding to stuff you commented on. The entire point is just because people have been doing things a certain way and surviving doesn't necessarily mean it's still the best way. Can you agree with that?

"just because people have been doing things a certain way and surviving doesn't necessarily mean it's still the best way."

I can agree with this point. Just in this case I do not.

 

[MrSquished]

There's so many things that affect your overall cost of living outside of the purchase price of your home.

- Property taxes (which vary wildly down to the zip code you live in, you can't directly tie that to city/state, it's much more specific). An 800k house on the SE side of the river in Portland is $9,000 a year in property taxes. Go across the river to the SW side and it's $14,000.

- Property insurance. I paid almost $2500 a year in homeowners insurance on a $400k home in Kentucky. I pay $400..yes $400 in Portland on a $750k one.

- State income taxes. Anywhere from 0 to over 9% depending on the state and your income level.

- City taxes. When I lived in Lexington, KY there was a 1% city tax. In Portland proper I have a similar tax but it's only on income over $100k.

- Car insurance. My car insurance doubled moving to Kentucky from IL because of a premium on no-fault payouts. It was almost $2k a year for a minivan and camry with no accidents/tickets.

- Sales tax as mentioned. I live in a state where there isn't any. And when you go to buy a car, well that's pretty nice to not have to pay that.

- Car registration. In IL I paid under a $100 a year. It used to be $78 per car to register. In Nebraska it was tied to the value of your car. Moving to Nebraska and getting a $600 annual registration renewal sucked. Kentucky was similar. It was $400 a year for my Minivan.

- Utilities. Move from a moderate climate like SoCal or PNW to swamp ass southeast and enjoy your $200+ a month electric bill. My electric and gas for the month of May in Portland was $80. $60 for electric and $20 for natural gas. And we're even on the expensive and bougie renewable energy only plan.

- Commute and gas costs. My wife and I can commute to work and back on bikes for the low price of...$0 a gallon in gas. If you live in a rural space and have to drive everywhere, enjoy your hundreds in gas each month. And when you live in ass crack no-where with little to do, you just end up driving more and more to actually do things. Costing even more.

All of that stuff adds up to overall COL burden.

All very interesting points.

In NJ I pay like 50 bucks for my accord to be registered a year. For the last 10 years

 

[vi edit]

its mind boggling (but not shocking) that the push back on this data driven (and generally common sense) would come from the conservative side of the room. It's just so odd how they simply don't want things to change at all and everything to stay like they were in the 'good ole days". it's like they bought into Leave it to Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet hook, line and sinker. Just freaking dumb.

Well change is scary and their brains basically operate entirely on fear, real or otherwise.

 

[nakedfrog]

Sales tax is often ignored completely. We focus big time on income tax for whatever reason

State and Local Sales Tax Rates, 2021

While many factors influence business location and investment decisions, sales taxes are something within lawmakers’ control that can have immediate impacts.

taxfoundation.org

Wow, I had no idea some of these red states had such high rates. I moved from somewhere with a 7% sales tax rate and a state income tax to 9.4% sales tax and no state income tax.
"The five states with the highest average combined state and local sales tax rates are Tennessee (9.55 percent), Louisiana (9.52 percent), Arkansas (9.51 percent), Washington (9.23 percent), and Alabama (9.22 percent). "

There's so many things that affect your overall cost of living outside of the purchase price of your home.

- Property taxes (which vary wildly down to the zip code you live in, you can't directly tie that to city/state, it's much more specific). An 800k house on the SE side of the river in Portland is $9,000 a year in property taxes. Go across the river to the SW side and it's $14,000.

- Property insurance. I paid almost $2500 a year in homeowners insurance on a $400k home in Kentucky. I pay $400..yes $400 in Portland on a $750k one.

- State income taxes. Anywhere from 0 to over 9% depending on the state and your income level.

- City taxes. When I lived in Lexington, KY there was a 1% city tax. In Portland proper I have a similar tax but it's only on income over $100k.

- Car insurance. My car insurance doubled moving to Kentucky from IL because of a premium on no-fault payouts. It was almost $2k a year for a minivan and camry with no accidents/tickets.

- Sales tax as mentioned. I live in a state where there isn't any. And when you go to buy a car, well that's pretty nice to not have to pay that.

- Car registration. In IL I paid under a $100 a year. It used to be $78 per car to register. In Nebraska it was tied to the value of your car. Moving to Nebraska and getting a $600 annual registration renewal sucked. Kentucky was similar. It was $400 a year for my Minivan.

- Utilities. Move from a moderate climate like SoCal or PNW to swamp ass southeast and enjoy your $200+ a month electric bill. My electric and gas for the month of May in Portland was $80. $60 for electric and $20 for natural gas. And we're even on the expensive and bougie renewable energy only plan.

- Commute and gas costs. My wife and I can commute to work and back on bikes for the low price of...$0 a gallon in gas. If you live in a rural space and have to drive everywhere, enjoy your hundreds in gas each month. And when you live in ass crack no-where with little to do, you just end up driving more and more to actually do things. Costing even more.

All of that stuff adds up to overall COL burden.

And I thought our property tax here was a big bump
I also definitely wasn't expecting my homeowner's insurance to be lower here on a nicer, newer house worth significantly more money than the one I moved out of in Nebraska.

 

[ch33zw1z]

"just because people have been doing things a certain way and surviving doesn't necessarily mean it's still the best way."

I can agree with this point. Just in this case I do not.

Right, even though the evidence concludes that it's a good move for learning and health, your feels say otherwise.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Wow, I had no idea some of these red states had such high rates. I moved from somewhere with a 7% sales tax rate and a state income tax to 9.4% sales tax and no state income tax.
"The five states with the highest average combined state and local sales tax rates are Tennessee (9.55 percent), Louisiana (9.52 percent), Arkansas (9.51 percent), Washington (9.23 percent), and Alabama (9.22 percent). "

And I thought our property tax here was a big bump
I also definitely wasn't expecting my homeowner's insurance to be lower here on a nicer, newer house worth significantly more money than the one I moved out of in Nebraska.

Yep, but those same states will scream about "low taxes" and "high tax liberal states"

Like you said, Alabama is a good example:



State Tax Rate set at 4.00%, Average Local Rate 5.24%, with a Max local tax rate of 7.50%. I guess that means in some parts of AL, 11.5% Sales tax is a thing.

MA is 6.25% with no local rates, and my Income tax was low (like a few %), so MA guarantees some % of my income goes to them, and then sales tax for things I buy. and I'm still paying less than some of those red states.

 

[MrSquished]

6.6% in NJ and there are some incentive zones near me where it's like 3.5%. not many but some

 

[ElFenix]

its mind boggling (but not shocking) that the push back on this data driven (and generally common sense) would come from the conservative side of the room. It's just so odd how they simply don't want things to change at all and everything to stay like they were in the 'good ole days". it's like they bought into Leave it to Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet hook, line and sinker. Just freaking dumb.

when your entire worldview is predicated on something that is considered to be reliable because it is unchanged,* you get conditioned to thinking that things which change are inherently unreliable.





*except for all those pesky transcription, translation, and semantic changes that have crept in over the intervening ~2000 years, along with the inverted pyramid of varying and conflicting beliefs built on top of it, along with all those that have arisen alongside which don't have any foundation in the claimed unchanging thing