Schools in VA Shutting Down because of Islam Homework Assignment

[Blue_Max]

The fear is high in this one. :thumbsup:

Pick up a quran and read it. Know what it is you're blindly supporting.

 

[DrPizza]

Why are they teaching any religion in a state school?

Do you think it's possible to understand world history without a basic understanding of the world's major religions??!

 

[pcgeek11]

Separation of church and state. Isn't that what all the liberals say?

 

[Blue_Max]

Separation of church and state. Isn't that what all the liberals say?

In word, yes.

In practice, they mean separation of Christianity from state. All other religions are considered "trendy" and worn like a designer bag. Islam is especially trendy with lefties today because... gawd, you tell me - I don't understand fashion trends - physical or social behaviours. Damned sheeple.

Unlike other religions and spiritualities borrowed for a season to look trendy then tossed aside, they don't realize that islam is for life. Apostasy means death.

 

[Bowfinger]

In word, yes.

In practice, they mean separation of Christianity from state. All other religions are considered "trendy" and worn like a designer bag. Islam is especially trendy with lefties today because... gawd, you tell me - I don't understand fashion trends - physical or social behaviours. Damned sheeple.

That's a beautiful straw man (which is a polite way of saying it's pure BS). Government must not sponsor any religion, and should treat all religions equally.

 

[Blue_Max]

That's a beautiful straw man (which is a polite way of saying it's pure BS). Government must not sponsor any religion, and should treat all religions equally.

And yours is a grand deflection. I wasn't talking about government-sponsored religion in schools, etc. Lefties demanded the removal of all traces of Christianity from schools, public spaces, etc. They did NOT fight for the removal of any other religion and they actively sanctioned them. It's totally fine for muslims to publicly pray in public schools, but kids aren't allowed to form their own Christian groups and do the same.

Double-standards - the left is rife with them.

 

[Bowfinger]

And yours is a grand deflection. I wasn't talking about government-sponsored religion in schools, etc. Lefties demanded the removal of all traces of Christianity from schools, public spaces, etc. They did NOT fight for the removal of any other religion and they actively sanctioned them. It's totally fine for muslims to publicly pray in public schools, but kids aren't allowed to form their own Christian groups and do the same.

Double-standards - the left is rife with them.

Interesting claim. Can you back it up? Can you cite credible examples of "lefties demand[ing] the removal of all traces of Christianity" while those same "lefties" are also "actively supporting" other religions in the same situations?

 

[Jhhnn]

In word, yes.

In practice, they mean separation of Christianity from state. All other religions are considered "trendy" and worn like a designer bag. Islam is especially trendy with lefties today because... gawd, you tell me - I don't understand fashion trends - physical or social behaviours. Damned sheeple.

Unlike other religions and spiritualities borrowed for a season to look trendy then tossed aside, they don't realize that islam is for life. Apostasy means death.

So, uhh, Lefties are converting to Islam? Demanding Sharia Law?

Not even in your most fevered dreams.

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting claim. Can you back it up? Can you cite credible examples of "lefties demand[ing] the removal of all traces of Christianity" while those same "lefties" are also "actively supporting" other religions in the same situations?

It's just what his conspiracy theory mind wants to believe, so he does. it doesn't have to make sense to anybody but him. He didn't put any thought into it before he believed it & he sure as Hell won't now.

 

[Subyman]

Pick up a quran and read it. Know what it is you're blindly supporting.

I have read it and the bible. I'm not supporting any religion and I'm not religious in anyway. I'm supporting people against blind hate. You hate terrorists, but somehow that has been construed into all muslims. Perhaps you need to reflect on that. Why do you spread your hate for a few onto the many?

 

[Blue_Max]

I have read it and the bible. I'm not supporting any religion and I'm not religious in anyway. I'm supporting people against blind hate. You hate terrorists, but somehow that has been construed into all muslims. Perhaps you need to reflect on that. Why do you spread your hate for a few onto the many?

First off, you're implying 'blind hate' - that I: A.) just hate muslims, and, B.) do so for no reason at all. You're happily abusing the word "hate" in order to push your emotion-driven argument. Charge up the readers' emotions to get people to feel anger, not comprehend anything. Especially since you're blatantly wrong in that accusation - to the point of slander (or would that be libel here?)

Second, have I ever - EVER - said "all muslims"? You like to think so, but it's not the case. The concept you continuously fail to grasp is that you can dislike an ideology without 'hating' everyone who believes in it - especially since most people don't really know why they believe that ideology in the first place.
You can dislike islam, the totalitarian ideology, without disliking all muslims.
You can dislike feminism (also a totalitarian ideology) without 'hating all women' as you absolutely LOVE to spout.

Third, I doubt you've given the quran more than a cursory glance at the first chapter if you don't have any concerns at all with it. Flip to about 1/3 of the way in or beyond. Remember, rule number one with the quran is that, unlike the bible, if a later verse contradicts an earlier one, you must follow the new one. The peaceful stuff in the beginning is before their leader got himself an army. Things change quick from there.

 

[MongGrel]

You've all ready used the word sheeple, and a few things in other threads that explain a lot in my mind as far as where you're coming from there Blue Max.

But knock yourself out I guess, you seem to be the one getting emotional and spouting things.

Rage on.

 

[Darwin333]

Pick up a quran and read it. Know what it is you're blindly supporting.

I for one am not blindly supporting anything, especially not a religion, but I refuse to be terrified of something that is less likely to kill me than a swimming pool. You go ahead and be terrified for the both of us, seems like you have that covered already.

 

[Subyman]

First off, you're implying 'blind hate' - that I: A.) just hate muslims, and, B.) do so for no reason at all. You're happily abusing the word "hate" in order to push your emotion-driven argument. Charge up the readers' emotions to get people to feel anger, not comprehend anything. Especially since you're blatantly wrong in that accusation - to the point of slander (or would that be libel here?)

Second, have I ever - EVER - said "all muslims"? You like to think so, but it's not the case. The concept you continuously fail to grasp is that you can dislike an ideology without 'hating' everyone who believes in it - especially since most people don't really know why they believe that ideology in the first place.
You can dislike islam, the totalitarian ideology, without disliking all muslims.
You can dislike feminism (also a totalitarian ideology) without 'hating all women' as you absolutely LOVE to spout.

Third, I doubt you've given the quran more than a cursory glance at the first chapter if you don't have any concerns at all with it. Flip to about 1/3 of the way in or beyond. Remember, rule number one with the quran is that, unlike the bible, if a later verse contradicts an earlier one, you must follow the new one. The peaceful stuff in the beginning is before their leader got himself an army. Things change quick from there.

"Disliking" Islam is a far cry from calling for a ban of Muslims. Fear and hate motivate banning a religion. You can pretend to "dislike" only the religion, but your words impact the people. You can not decouple one from the other and claim that you only dislike them for your understanding of their ideology. Nice try though.

 

[Subyman]

I for one am not blindly supporting anything, especially not a religion, but I refuse to be terrified of something that is less likely to kill me than a swimming pool. You go ahead and be terrified for the both of us, seems like you have that covered already.

Lol

 

[Darwin333]

Separation of church and state. Isn't that what all the liberals say?

Teaching religions in a history class is a bit different than pushing religious ideals on children. I am all for separation of church and state because it's a damn good idea. That doesn't mean that we should purposefully make our children ignorant.

Do you have any idea how much of our history we'd have to cut out to avoid talking about religion? Should we not talk and teach about the Crusades? Should we ignore how much Christianity has stolen from other cultures and religions? Should we burn all the books that even speak about Islam? Completely ignore and never speak of the holocaust again because it involved Jewish people?

 

[MongGrel]

Teaching religions in a history class is a bit different than pushing religious ideals on children. I am all for separation of church and state because it's a damn good idea. That doesn't mean that we should purposefully make our children ignorant.

Do you have any idea how much of our history we'd have to cut out to avoid talking about religion? Should we not talk and teach about the Crusades? Should we ignore how much Christianity has stolen from other cultures and religions? Should we burn all the books that even speak about Islam? Completely ignore and never speak of the holocaust again because it involved Jewish people?

I was even going to mention that one myself earlier on, but you covered it.

Is a very large difference teaching someone what a religion consists of from a knowledge aspect, compared to trying to indoctrinate someone into it.

I'm just waiting for a large wall of raging text to drop soon probably.

 

[Darwin333]

Third, I doubt you've given the quran more than a cursory glance at the first chapter if you don't have any concerns at all with it. Flip to about 1/3 of the way in or beyond. Remember, rule number one with the quran is that, unlike the bible, if a later verse contradicts an earlier one, you must follow the new one. The peaceful stuff in the beginning is before their leader got himself an army. Things change quick from there.

Are you saying that the earlier versus in the bible must be followed even if contradicted by a later verse? Or does some specific asshole get to tell you which to follow? Or does each individual Catholic get to choose which verse they like the best and go with that?

Please enlighten me.

 

[Darwin333]

I was even going to mention that one myself earlier on, but you covered it.

Is a very large difference teaching someone what a religion consists of from a knowledge aspect, compared to trying to indoctrinate someone into it.

I'm just waiting for a large wall of raging text to drop soon probably.

Second time in a week we are in agreement.

And you are exactly right, it's funny how the right gets all pissy about not allowing schools to promote Christian holidays but has no problem with removing religion from the part of school that the kids are actually going to school for. You simply can't teach history without touching on a multitude of religions. What they should be, and literally are, arguing is the complete removal of history classes from public schools. Those of us that believe wholeheartedly in the separation of church and state still want our children to be properly educated.

 

[Subyman]

Are you saying that the earlier versus in the bible must be followed even if contradicted by a later verse? Or does some specific asshole get to tell you which to follow? Or does each individual Catholic get to choose which verse they like the best and go with that?

Please enlighten me.

It is called abrogation. Verses said later (chronologically) cancel out older verses. There is some contention within the muslim community whether this is true, but the majority believe it. It is a big difference between the books. Where Christians constantly wrestle with contradictions, Islam hand waves them away by saying Muhammad's later words carry more weight.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't see where calligraphy assignment in Arabic, and getting them to write "There is no god but Allah..." has anything to do with the subject of "World Geography".

 

[MongGrel]

I don't see where calligraphy assignment in Arabic, and getting them to write "There is no god but Allah..." has anything to do with the subject of "World Geography".

If you've read the thread and do not understand by now, not much to say, really.

 

[pcgeek11]

If you've read the thread and do not understand by now, not much to say, really.

World Geography: The study of the physical features of the earth. Includes study of regional formations and their relation to humans.

 

[ivwshane]

World Geography: The study of the physical features of the earth. Includes study of regional formations and their relation to humans.

Like he said, there isn't much to say, you clearly haven't been following along.

From the OP you didn't read;

A "World Geography" class where they teach about other cultures and religions gives kids a calligraphy assignment in Arabic. The Arabic calligraphy is the Islamic faith statement "There is no god but Allah..."

 

[woolfe9998]

In word, yes.

In practice, they mean separation of Christianity from state. All other religions are considered "trendy" and worn like a designer bag. Islam is especially trendy with lefties today because... gawd, you tell me - I don't understand fashion trends - physical or social behaviours. Damned sheeple.

Unlike other religions and spiritualities borrowed for a season to look trendy then tossed aside, they don't realize that islam is for life. Apostasy means death.

Bullshit. I don't want any religion taught in schools. A caligraphy assignment where you're copying a biblical or koranic phrase I guess is borderline. Any way, it either is or isn't a violation of the Establishment Clause, regardless of which religion we're talking about.

What is most telling here is parents making threats over this. We complain that Muslims may go bonkers over drawing pictures of Mohammed but then we have Christians making threats because their kids are copying a phrase from the Koran as part of a geography exercise?

Hypocrits.