School violates students' First Amendment rights

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Martin
How odd Rip, I don't remember you posting threads when kids were denied the right to wear anti-war t-shirts...

But surely you'll prove me wrong with some links to old threads of yours where you denounce the evil public schools for suppressing students' constitutional rights to express anti-war views, right?

'nuff said.

 

[yllus]

I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

Why do you care, don't you send your little monkeys to Fundie School?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

Why do you care, don't you send your little monkeys to Fundie School?

Fundie Schools aren't free; it would be great if sensible parents could send their children to a public school without fear of the Radical Homosexual Leftist propaganda.

Considering public school resulted in you, its quite safe to say they are a miserable failure.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

Why do you care, don't you send your little monkeys to Fundie School?

Of course, just like you did.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
More Students Denied Right to Wear Pro-Life T-Shirts Against Abortion

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
April 29, 2005


Des Moines, IA (LifeNews.com) -- More students are coming forward saying they were denied the right to free expression when their schools prohibited them from wearing pro-life t-shirts with the message "Abortion Kills Kids." The shirts were part of a national pro-life shirt day sponsored by youth pro-life organization Rock for Life.
In Des Moines, Iowa, two Roosevelt High School students say their First Amendment rights were violated when school officials told them to remove the shirts. Sisters Brittany and Tamera Chandler said they were threatened with suspension if they wore the shirts.

In an interview with the Des Moines Register, Roosevelt Principal Anita Micich denied that was the case. She claims she wanted the Chandlers to remove the shirts to protect them from students who disagreed with the pro-life message they conveyed.

"I was worried that students who were expressing themselves might become targets, or that it might become so disruptive we couldn't conduct classes," Micich said. "It was headed down that path."

Tamera Chandler agreed to wear a sweatshirt over her shirt, but felt her rights had been violated.

"I was upset because they violated my rights, but I didn't want any trouble because graduation's right around the corner," she told the Register.

But, when Brittany wouldn't change her shirt, school officials told her and her father that Tamera could be suspended, which would delay her graduation this spring.

Another student who wore the same shirt disputed the claim that other students were causing them problems.

"I just wore it like any other shirt, and no one said anything bad," she told the Des Moines newspaper.

The Chandlers' parents are considering filing a lawsuit against the school and have contacted the Iowa Liberty and Justice Center, a pro-life and religious liberties law firm.

"How the school district addresses the issue, whether cavalierly or genuinely, will affect the future handling of the case," staff attorney Chuck Hurley said of the situation.

Brittany Chandler told the Des Moines newspaper she wants an apology.

"There was never an argument in class," she said. "A lot of people said, 'We're glad you're standing up for your beliefs.' I want an apology and for my sister to graduate and to wear the shirt again, that's all."

The school has already started to relent and Micich said the girls can wear the shirts and students who dissent will be told to leave them alone.

Meanwhile, in Tennessee, a Knox County elementary school principal told a 5th grader that she was prohibited from wearing the t-shirt.

School principal Emily Lenn told Debbie Williams told her that her daughter's shirt was inappropriate because young kids attended the school and because it was too graphic. The shirt shows a picture of an unborn child.

Lenn said the graphic nature of the shirt and not its pro-life message was the problem. He said she could wear a shirt to school if it had a less intense message.

More Students Denied Right to Wear Pro-Life T-Shirts Against Abortion

Rather than stifling the free speech of students who oppose killing babies, how about dealing with kids that pose a physical threat to other students.

It look like bullies and not school administrators are calling the shots.

The inmates are running the asylum.

Hehe - I was wondering if this issue would make a national appearance. It's been brewing here for quite a while and as you can see the article is april 29 - that's about when things were getting heated.

Good to know the school actually gave in...eventually. It's just too bad it had to go that far for the school to actually understand what they were doing was wrong. Either they have to limit ALL "offensive" or potentially "disruptive" type clothing or allow it. They can't just pick one that is against abortion because they don't like it(and don't let them fool you - it was because of the message - not the supposed "safety" BS they came up with).

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: sbacpo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: sbacpo
Hopefully every else who answers will stay focused on the topic and not immediately attack Rip.

If they do I hope the mods send them off to the time out corner with Conjur.

Problem is the Title is not just misleading but been proven to be totally wrong when it comes to the rights of schools over the students.

Quite honestly Dave you should be the very last person on this board complaining about misleading or wrong titles and posting things that are totally wrong. The very last.

Says the person who just joined the forums within the month. OK :roll: Ban got lifted?

paranoid much? :laugh: It's quite obvious dave is the king of misleading and trollish titles - even new members can see that quite quickly.

CsG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

Why do you care, don't you send your little monkeys to Fundie School?

Of course, just like you did.

Yep I worried about my children and let others worry about theirs.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: sbacpo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: sbacpo
Hopefully every else who answers will stay focused on the topic and not immediately attack Rip.

If they do I hope the mods send them off to the time out corner with Conjur.

Problem is the Title is not just misleading but been proven to be totally wrong when it comes to the rights of schools over the students.

Quite honestly Dave you should be the very last person on this board complaining about misleading or wrong titles and posting things that are totally wrong. The very last.

Says the person who just joined the forums within the month. OK :roll: Ban got lifted?

paranoid much? :laugh: It's quite obvious dave is the king of misleading and trollish titles - even new members can see that quite quickly.

CsG

No on the paranoia, I am sufficiently baked right now and paranoia is not one of the side effects for me Point taken on the noobs, though I would wager there are a few on both sides who have multiple screennames via proxy server.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zendari
Fundie Schools aren't free; it would be great if sensible parents could send their children to a public school without fear of the Radical Homosexual Leftist propaganda.

:roll:

Considering public school resulted in you, its quite safe to say they are a miserable failure.

How so?

 

[zendari]

The best part is that Dave probably isn't trolling intentionally and actually believes the stuff he posts. :laugh:

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

Good. Politics SHOULD be in the PUBLIC schools. Care to expound on why that is a bad thing? The question at hand is, why do you care about what goes on in the "failed" public schools? Morbid curiosity or just your need to stick your Pinocchio nose into everyone else's lives and business?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

Good. Politics SHOULD be in the PUBLIC schools. Care to expound on why that is a bad thing? The question at hand is, why do you care about what goes on in the "failed" public schools? Morbid curiosity or just your need to stick your Pinocchio nose into everyone else's lives and business?

Perhaps because he is paying for it?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: sbacpo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: sbacpo
Hopefully every else who answers will stay focused on the topic and not immediately attack Rip.

If they do I hope the mods send them off to the time out corner with Conjur.

Problem is the Title is not just misleading but been proven to be totally wrong when it comes to the rights of schools over the students.

Quite honestly Dave you should be the very last person on this board complaining about misleading or wrong titles and posting things that are totally wrong. The very last.

Says the person who just joined the forums within the month. OK :roll: Ban got lifted?

paranoid much? :laugh: It's quite obvious dave is the king of misleading and trollish titles - even new members can see that quite quickly.

CsG

No on the paranoia, I am sufficiently baked right now and paranoia is not one of the side effects for me Point taken on the noobs, though I would wager there are a few on both sides who have multiple screennames via proxy server.

Yeah, there are likely a few on each side. "bbond" is likely one since there is quite a bit of evidence of his return, not to mention his name is quite similar to "BOBDN". Meh, it's ok - he's on the fringe anyway and has marginalized himself. I really don't care if his type come back - it great to see the left embracing his types - it means us on the right will make even more gains politically

CsG

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

Good. Politics SHOULD be in the PUBLIC schools. Care to expound on why that is a bad thing? The question at hand is, why do you care about what goes on in the "failed" public schools? Morbid curiosity or just your need to stick your Pinocchio nose into everyone else's lives and business?

Perhaps because he is paying for it?

As is every person in this country who pays taxes that DON'T even HAVE kids to send to school. What is your point? The point is, his kids don't have to worry about all the faggery and intravenous liberal teachings of the public schools. As one of the other posters pointed out, there was no worries from the RRR when school boards make kids stop wearing anti war/anti bush/anti god t-shirts. So as per usual, the RRR just picks and chooses where their priorities lie and when or when not the first amendment is being infringed upon.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: yllus
I agree with this "violation" - keep politics out of our public schools as much as possible, thanks very much. Unless it's a politics/debate class, that is. This isn't censorship, it's preempting trouble.

Politics clearly ARE in our public schools.

The question is, who's politics are they?

I think they answer to that question is obvious.

Good. Politics SHOULD be in the PUBLIC schools. Care to expound on why that is a bad thing? The question at hand is, why do you care about what goes on in the "failed" public schools? Morbid curiosity or just your need to stick your Pinocchio nose into everyone else's lives and business?

Perhaps because he is paying for it?

As is every person in this country who pays taxes that DON'T even HAVE kids to send to school. What is your point? The point is, his kids don't have to worry about all the faggery and intravenous liberal teachings of the public schools. As one of the other posters pointed out, there was no worries from the RRR when school boards make kids stop wearing anti war/anti bush/anti god t-shirts. So as per usual, the RRR just picks and chooses where their priorities lie and when or when not the first amendment is being infringed upon.

People without kids also can have a say in how their district is run. And you are wrong about the so called "RRR"; when a school board tried to ban anti-Bush tshirts, some leftist hack overruled them and said it was protection of free speech. Yet when school boards do the same about pro-life shirts this judge and the left is nowhere to be seen. :roll: Scroll up, I posted the link earlier in the thread.

There is certainly hypocrisy here, but its not on this side.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: zendari
Fundie Schools aren't free; it would be great if sensible parents could send their children to a public school without fear of the Radical Homosexual Leftist propaganda.

Paranoid much?

Considering public school resulted in you, its quite safe to say they are a miserable failure.

Personal attack?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: zendari
People without kids also can have a say in how their district is run. And you are wrong about the so called "RRR"; when a school board tried to ban anti-Bush tshirts, some leftist hack overruled them and said it was protection of free speech. Yet when school boards do the same about pro-life shirts this judge and the left is nowhere to be seen. :roll: Scroll up, I posted the link earlier in the thread.

You know this to be the truth or are you just ASSuming?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: zendari
People without kids also can have a say in how their district is run. And you are wrong about the so called "RRR"; when a school board tried to ban anti-Bush tshirts, some leftist hack overruled them and said it was protection of free speech. Yet when school boards do the same about pro-life shirts this judge and the left is nowhere to be seen. :roll: Scroll up, I posted the link earlier in the thread.

You know this to be the truth or are you just ASSuming?

Dearborn High School was wrong to ban a student from wearing a T-shirt that labeled President Bush an "international terrorist," a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Patrick Duggan issued a preliminary injunction allowing senior Bretton Barber to wear the black T-shirt.

"The courts have never declared that the school yard is an inappropriate place for political debate," Duggan wrote. "Students benefit when school officials provide an environment where they can openly express their diverging viewpoints and when they learn to tolerate the opinions of others."

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: zendari
People without kids also can have a say in how their district is run. And you are wrong about the so called "RRR"; when a school board tried to ban anti-Bush tshirts, some leftist hack overruled them and said it was protection of free speech. Yet when school boards do the same about pro-life shirts this judge and the left is nowhere to be seen. :roll: Scroll up, I posted the link earlier in the thread.

You know this to be the truth or are you just ASSuming?

Dearborn High School was wrong to ban a student from wearing a T-shirt that labeled President Bush an "international terrorist," a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

U.S. District Judge Patrick Duggan issued a preliminary injunction allowing senior Bretton Barber to wear the black T-shirt.

"The courts have never declared that the school yard is an inappropriate place for political debate," Duggan wrote. "Students benefit when school officials provide an environment where they can openly express their diverging viewpoints and when they learn to tolerate the opinions of others."

And where is the leftist hack part?

 

[zendari]

It would seem to me that the same ruling issued by Mr. Duggan should also be applicable towards pro-life shirts.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: sbacpo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: sbacpo
Hopefully every else who answers will stay focused on the topic and not immediately attack Rip.

If they do I hope the mods send them off to the time out corner with Conjur.

Problem is the Title is not just misleading but been proven to be totally wrong when it comes to the rights of schools over the students.

Quite honestly Dave you should be the very last person on this board complaining about misleading or wrong titles and posting things that are totally wrong. The very last.

Says the person who just joined the forums within the month. OK :roll: Ban got lifted?

paranoid much? :laugh: It's quite obvious dave is the king of misleading and trollish titles - even new members can see that quite quickly.

CsG

Hey Hey Hey.
If anyone gets the title its between Rip and BBond.
God get a clue man.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: zendari
It would seem to me that the same ruling issued by Mr. Duggan should also be applicable towards pro-life shirts.

That would only be the case if there wasn't a picture of the fetus on the t-shirt. What's next? Anti-war t-shirts with bloodied people missing limbs, guts spilled onto the ground, etc.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Last Rezort

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: sbacpo

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: sbacpo
Hopefully every else who answers will stay focused on the topic and not immediately attack Rip.

If they do I hope the mods send them off to the time out corner with Conjur.

Problem is the Title is not just misleading but been proven to be totally wrong when it comes to the rights of schools over the students.

Quite honestly Dave you should be the very last person on this board complaining about misleading or wrong titles and posting things that are totally wrong. The very last.

Says the person who just joined the forums within the month. OK :roll: Ban got lifted?

paranoid much? :laugh: It's quite obvious dave is the king of misleading and trollish titles - even new members can see that quite quickly.

CsG

Hey Hey Hey.
If anyone gets the title its between Rip and BBond.
God get a clue man.

Nope - king of troll/misleading titles is Dave. It'd take "bbond" or Rip to atleast double themselves to even challenge dave. You are still rather new so I'll give you some more time to notice it. Just do a search for threads started by dave - you'll see

CsG