School principal bans Santa,Thanksgiving and Pledge of Allegiance

[Subyman]

Sure, if we're interested in making Indian, Chinese, and Mexican colonies within the U.S.. Or, you know, they could just be educated as Americans and assimilate culturally and linguistically. When in Rome, after all...

Or is that just racism and cultural insensitivity?

Gotta teach those kids about Christmas so they can buy a bunch of junk when they get older. :thumbsup:

 

[Moonbeam]

Jesus, I feel like my whole culture and everything I conformed to as a child to be great is being pulled from my cold dead white fingers. What will I do without Christmas and the pledge and Thanksgiving. I've already lost Quaeboketoke, Pogralian and I never get to say slamrovapova any more either. God how I suffer and miss them. Remember when we used to dance with gumpies and eat progjelliewag cookies.

PS, and Bubbleyum strawberry lemonade gum is gone too.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Gotta teach those kids about Christmas so they can buy a bunch of junk when they get older. :thumbsup:

Haha true.


Here is the pledge, and more reasons why it's bs!


"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands"

That is me giving my country my unqualified word that I am on it's side. We could reestablish the Third Reich on American soil, re-enslave all black people, but gosh-darn my word is my word. Why bother to think critically about whether a country is worthy of loyalty when we can just pledge?

"one nation, under God"

This is me misrepresenting the facts about our nation. America is not under God because there are Americans who don't believe in God and there is no formal establishment of belief in God as American law. I personally believe in God, but that doesn't mean the government should should be involved telling people to pledge that the nation is under a being whom they don't believe exists and whose teachings have no bearing on American policy.

"indivisible,"

America had an extremely bloody and divisive war on our own soil because some states wanted out of the union, and had their efforts succeeded America would have been divisible.

"with liberty and justice for all"

This is unfettered optimism that flies in the face of actual American history. Go ask your city's public defender if there is liberty and justice for all. Ask an American Indian, African slave, or a female suffragette if there is liberty and justice for all. I believe in liberty. America does not.

 

[kage69]

A bit too much!!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/13/school-principal-bans-santa-thanksgiving-and-pledge-allegiance

How much worse are things going to get??


THIS IS TOTALLY INSANE!!!!!!!! -- THIS PC CRAP IS OUTTA CONTROL AND DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY!!

lol Fox

Translation for non Fox viewers:

Pay no attention to Mitch the Turtle and our beloved fuckhead republicans as they attempt to screw over 9/11 first responders AGAIN by not refunding the Zadroga Act. Instead, please get enraged and frothy over a principle in Brooklyn having the nerve not to emphasize a specific holiday (*cough* the correct one, obviously) and ignore the others, they way real Americans do.

I'd argue partisan fueled, socially divisive bullshit from the likes of Fox and their easily offended viewers represent a more real threat to America than that outrage expose. The kind of heartless, petty, two-faced political bullshit exemplified by Mitch McConnell, even moreso.


Link about these pieces of shit and their respect/support for Americans who were lied to about the air at Ground Zero http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ors-furious-mitch-mcconnell-article-1.2453434
Not a single mention of it on Fox's site. Shocking.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Let me whip out the crayons for you then....

You didn't answer any of the questions, though they were rhetorical to show how incredibly nonsensical it all was.

Here, let me help you.

They shouldn't need to constantly repeat a pledge, as a pledge is a long lasting commitment. Which explains number two. It's obvious children don't understand what a pledge is, nor could they be expected to honor said pledge. Which is why they are told to repeat it constantly, indoctrination! Which brings us to the first question. I think we all know the basics, but the most important factor is that it's done knowingly, and willingly. In the case of the pledge of allegiance, the children neither have the knowledge of what they are doing, nor the choice. They are commanded to perform the task without even knowing what they are doing.

Now, this is logic! Ignorantly continuing on with a tradition for tradition's sake is practically the exact opposite of logic.

You can not expect to receive the rewards of a society without making at least a token effort to conform to it. I call it "playing the game." If you actively flout tradition and denounce customs in real life, you are ostracized at best (ie. within these forums) or become a victim of hate crime at worst. THAT is what's illogical about your viewpoint.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The pledge of allegiance is an utter load of bullshit, and absolutely should go.

Your free to leave the country...well??

 

[JEDIYoda]

Haha true.


Here is the pledge, and more reasons why it's bs!


"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands"

That is me giving my country my unqualified word that I am on it's side. We could reestablish the Third Reich on American soil, re-enslave all black people, but gosh-darn my word is my word. Why bother to think critically about whether a country is worthy of loyalty when we can just pledge?

"one nation, under God"

This is me misrepresenting the facts about our nation. America is not under God because there are Americans who don't believe in God and there is no formal establishment of belief in God as American law. I personally believe in God, but that doesn't mean the government should should be involved telling people to pledge that the nation is under a being whom they don't believe exists and whose teachings have no bearing on American policy.

"indivisible,"

America had an extremely bloody and divisive war on our own soil because some states wanted out of the union, and had their efforts succeeded America would have been divisible.

"with liberty and justice for all"

This is unfettered optimism that flies in the face of actual American history. Go ask your city's public defender if there is liberty and justice for all. Ask an American Indian, African slave, or a female suffragette if there is liberty and justice for all. I believe in liberty. America does not.

Learn some history before making yourself look like an idiot!!

 

[IronWing]

Deep down inside, I'm inraged.

 

[K7SN]

I still stay the Pledge of Allegiance the way I learned and see absolutely nothing wrong with that, it is the two words they added when I was in 4th grade that have no place in the pledge and make it a hypocrisy; I still don't say the two new words, just because Dwight and Congress altered it, doesn't mean much, My father, as did everyone until the 1930s did the now called "Nazi Salute" to the flag. Times change by why did Thanksgiving get a bad rap from this teacher. Oh well, those that don't celebrate Christmas usually celebrate the winter solace,

 

[Humpy]

After the kids all have straight A's, college scholarships, and an undefeated season, maybe the school can start thinking about wasting time and money on decorations and pie.

 

[Jaskalas]

It's a crusade to erase American culture.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

PC Principal in effect

 

[Darwin333]

It's my opinion that someone who holds this country in such low regard that they detest the pledge of allegiance should find somewhere else they'd like to live and make such a pledge. If for nothing else, to do the rest of the U.S. citizens who are fine with this country and the pledge the courtesy of not trying to fundamentally transform the U.S.A. Golden rule, and all that.

So the difference between a good citizen and one that should leave the country entirely is said person reciting a few dozen words? We should take all the Syrian refugees we can so long as they recite the pledge of allegiance?

 

[Subyman]

Your free to leave the country...well??

That makes zero sense.

 

[Darwin333]

What you call brainwashing, most people call learning customs and traditions. You seem to think participating eliminates the ability to think and decide for yourself even though you've apparently done so. Let me edumicate you, society and nations are built to a great extent on custom and traditions. To dismiss them out of hand is foolish and self defeating. Thus, your viewpoint is illogical.

Well it does severely limit most peoples ability to think and decide for themselves about something so illogical and with bullshit so deep that you are literally told that you must take it on blind faith alone. Something like 95% of people believe in the same brand of bullshit that their parents do, coincidence I guess... Even funnier is they get lied to about their brand of bullshit for most of their childhood and even after they learn that they continue buying the rest of the bullshit.

 

[kage69]

I still stay the Pledge of Allegiance the way I learned and see absolutely nothing wrong with that, it is the two words they added when I was in 4th grade that have no place in the pledge and make it a hypocrisy; I still don't say the two new words, just because Dwight and Congress altered it, doesn't mean much, My father, as did everyone until the 1930s did the now called "Nazi Salute" to the flag. Times change by why did Thanksgiving get a bad rap from this teacher. Oh well, those that don't celebrate Christmas usually celebrate the winter solace,

Solstice?

Probably would be more solace to go around if christians could stop taking themselves so seriously, or at the very least put the persecution complex on hold.

 

[Captain Picard]

So the difference between a good citizen and one that should leave the country entirely is said person reciting a few dozen words? We should take all the Syrian refugees we can so long as they recite the pledge of allegiance?

Do these Syrian refugees have the desire and ability to Americanize themselves and learn English? Do they appreciate and respect the laws and customs of our citizens? Will they adopt western, specifically American, values?

Will they forsake the violence and subversion inherent in islamic doctrine? Will they abstain from sharia law, and conduct themselves according to U.S. law and traditions? Will they give their allegiance to this country as outlined in the pledge?

Do they want to be an American, as opposed to a Syrian (muslim most likely) living in America?

If the answer is yes to all of these, then I don't see a problem with them applying for citizenship and entering the country as a normal, legal immigrant. I do take issue with unvetted hordes being imported en masse by Catholic charities or NGOs on the dole.

 

[kage69]

Do these Syrian refugees have the desire and ability to Americanize themselves and learn English? Do they appreciate and respect the laws and customs of our citizens? Will they adopt western, specifically American, values?

Will they forsake the violence and subversion inherent in islamic doctrine? Will they abstain from sharia law, and conduct themselves according to U.S. law and traditions? Will they give their allegiance to this country as outlined in the pledge?

Do they want to be an American, as opposed to a Syrian (muslim most likely) living in America?

If the answer is yes to all of these, then I don't see a problem with them applying for citizenship and entering the country as a normal, legal immigrant. I do take issue with unvetted hordes being imported en masse by Catholic charities or NGOs on the dole.

As long as what you have in mind (bolded) wouldn't offend a christian under the same situation and requirements, sure, I guess.

Hey now there's an idea... Oh you're Coptic? Do you swear to reject violence towards providers of women's health? Do you renounce any and all support for anti-LGBT legislation? Can you affirm your belief in a separation of church and state? I'm sorry, we have to ask all christians this stuff, you understand...

I'm with you Picard. Too many American families with Irish and Italian shit in their houses! Right?

 

[Darwin333]

It's a crusade to erase American culture.

You caught them, a few years of no christmas trees in schools and christmas will be completely forgotten, gone, poof. No more trees, lights, reindeer games, snowmen, presents or even people trampling over themselves at 4am to get cheap stuff made in China!!!

 

[Darwin333]

Do these Syrian refugees have the desire and ability to Americanize themselves and learn English? Do they appreciate and respect the laws and customs of our citizens? Will they adopt western, specifically American, values?

Will they forsake the violence and subversion inherent in islamic doctrine? Will they abstain from sharia law, and conduct themselves according to U.S. law and traditions? Will they give their allegiance to this country as outlined in the pledge?

Do they want to be an American, as opposed to a Syrian (muslim most likely) living in America?

If the answer is yes to all of these, then I don't see a problem with them applying for citizenship and entering the country as a normal, legal immigrant. I do take issue with unvetted hordes being imported en masse by Catholic charities or NGOs on the dole.

If all that bullshit, and it is a whole lot of bullshit, is all they have to say in order to get in I'm quite sure that the vast majority are more than willing to recite all of that.

 

[pcgeek11]

I haven't said the pledge since I matured beyond obvious brainwashing in the 3rd grade. What's your excuse?

Even, if I was the most patriotic man in America, I would still call the pledge a load of bullshit!

I know where you stand by your stupid Bernie Sanders icon.... I think you should move to a socialist country...

Bye.

 

[Captain Picard]

If all that bullshit, and it is a whole lot of bullshit, is all they have to say in order to get in I'm quite sure that the vast majority are more than willing to recite all of that.

What's bullshit about it? Is it really so repugnant of a notion that immigrants actually adopt the language, customs, and values of a new homeland?

Yes, no doubt there are many out there perfectly willing to engage in taqiyya for the opportunity to move to this country and enjoy the benefits and opportunities that come with it, all the while holding our infidel laws, culture, and religions in utter contempt or outright hatred.

Kind of makes the word of a muslim less than dirt, doesn't it? Far easier to just not bring them here in the first place.

 

[umbrella39]

So many new alts... so little time...

 

[sandorski]

It's a crusade to erase American culture.

Not necessarily. Freedom and Liberty seems to be a more important part of the culture. Don't you agree?

Anyway, the history of Christmas in America is rather interesting. It wasn't always celebrated, didn't become widespread until after the Civil War.

 

[sandorski]

What's bullshit about it? Is it really so repugnant of a notion that immigrants actually adopt the language, customs, and values of a new homeland?

Yes, no doubt there are many out there perfectly willing to engage in taqiyya for the opportunity to move to this country and enjoy the benefits and opportunities that come with it, all the while holding our infidel laws, culture, and religions in utter contempt or outright hatred.

Kind of makes the word of a muslim less than dirt, doesn't it? Far easier to just not bring them here in the first place.

Is anyone truly Free if they have to conform just to please You?