School cop throws high school girl to ground

[fskimospy]

How are children supposed to learn when there is one disruptive student ruining things for everyone? The entire class moves to another room, like another poster suggested? And what happens if she so chooses to move as well? Lock the door quickly before she can enter?

You're a massive cuckold. Enjoy being psychologically dominated by unruly children, I can tell it gets you hard.

Do you have any classroom experience at all?

My guess is no.

 

[highland145]

Esky, what do you do for a living?

 

[fskimospy]

Question holds for you.

When was the last time you were in a classroom?



I refrained from the derogatory.

No, that doesn't make me a special snowflake.

PM me and we can talk.

 

[highland145]

PM me and we can talk.

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but, but I want to air some public something in public.

 

[fskimospy]

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but, but I want to air some public something in public.

Well I would hope whatever that is has nothing to do with my job. What I write is my business and has nothing to do with that.

If you're actually interested in what I do and why I know about this I'm down to tell you but I'm not comfortable with putting it out for general consumption.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Do you have any classroom experience at all?

My guess is no.

I've been a student before. I've seen bad children removed from schools. I'm pretty sure the teacher and principal in this story had classroom experience. But if you mean white knighting underaged girls with daddy issues so that you can teach them something, you win bro.

 

[fskimospy]

I've been a student before. I've seen bad children removed from schools. I'm pretty sure the teacher and principal in this story had classroom experience. But if you mean white knighting underaged girls with daddy issues so that you can teach them something, you win bro.

Yeah so that's a no.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yeah so that's a no.

You can't pull the experience/seniority card in an internet argument without giving any credentials or any real argument, so I'm going to call bullshit on your supposed experience as well.

 

[fskimospy]

You can't pull the experience/seniority card in an internet argument without giving any credentials or any real argument, so I'm going to call bullshit on your supposed experience as well.

Got it. So you can call me a 'massive cuckold' based on nothing but if I call you out for talking about shit you have no experience with that's my problem.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Got it. So you can call me a 'massive cuckold' based on nothing but if I call you out for talking about shit you have no experience with that's my problem.

Makes perfect sense.

So you can get butthurt, make a shitty strawman about "small government conservatives", call me a dumbass, avoid providing any solution to the problem of disruptive children without physical force when they physically refuse to move, and then say "I've been in a classroom before, you ain't got shit on me", and I'm supposed to accept that.

Same.

 

[fskimospy]

So you can get butthurt, make a shitty strawman about "small government conservatives", call me a dumbass, avoid providing any solution to the problem of disruptive children without physical force when they physically refuse to move, and then say "I've been in a classroom before, you ain't got shit on me", and I'm supposed to accept that.

Same.

You're flailing.

 

[Subyman]

So to be clear,

you would let students told by teachers, administrators, and cops to level a classroom stay there.

And then to restore order, you'd have the school sue here, so that their dignity can be restored in court?



I'm sorry that makes zero sense.

Well, tried to have a decent discussion with you, but you can't understand what I'm saying and how it relates to the story so its pointless continuing.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You're flailing.

How are children supposed to learn when there is one disruptive student ruining things for everyone?

Answer plox. You don't need to reveal your PhD in Student-Teacher Relations from Harvard, I'll accept that you are the most knowledgeable man alive on this particular subject. Just allow me to sip from the well. I'll even call you sensei and allow you to pat me on the head, sensei.

 

[Vic]

Cop was stupid. He had to know that he was being recorded, but he lost his cool anyway.

 

[woolfe9998]

I haven't posted here yet but I've been reading various articles about the incident. Honestly, I'm still on the fence about this. If I had to assume a definitive stance right now, I'd say the officer possibly used more force than was necessary under the circumstances, but it doesn't warrant termination. Maybe a suspension without pay. It's a difficult situation when you have to move someone who refuses to move, so I'm sympathetic to a degree about being second guessed after the fact, especially based on an incomplete video.

It's pretty boring to say that the officer did something wrong but not majorly wrong. Sometimes a situation just isn't black and white.

 

[mect]

I haven't posted here yet but I've been reading various articles about the incident. Honestly, I'm still on the fence about this. If I had to assume a definitive stance right now, I'd say the officer possibly used more force than was necessary under the circumstances, but it doesn't warrant termination. Maybe a suspension without pay. It's a difficult situation when you have to move someone who refuses to move, so I'm sympathetic to a degree about bring second guessed after the fact, especially based on an incomplete video.

It's pretty boring to say that the officer did something wrong but not majorly wrong. Sometimes a situation just isn't black and white.

Took 13 pages to get a rational comment. I'd say that's about average for P&N.

 

[Darwin333]

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what video did you watch, where he threw her from one end of a room to the other.

Reality is, he didnt throw the girl, he pulled her from the desk. she was moved ~6ft.

Hardly being throw from one end of the room to the other. Why do you have to lie about what happened?

It is very clear that it was not her "pushing" or any other bullshit that caused her to be thrown backwards in her chair. You can clearly see the officer put his hand under the desk and flip it backwards and then grab the girl and fling her across the room. Deny all you want but the video speaks rather clearly for those of us who don't have rose colored glasses on.


Edit: Can someone point out the timestamp in which she punched the officer versus just flailing like a normal human would at being violently assaulted?

 

[Darwin333]

Small government conservatives suddenly want the government to come and beat up children that don't comply.

It's because they never believed in small government.

You and I have had plenty of debates in which I hope both of us learned a thing or two but I lean more towards the small government type. I don't accept titles like conservative because I make my own views and as complicated as everything is I can't in good faith go along truly with one group or another.

With that said, any decent human being should see that this is an absurd escalation of force that was not required in anyway. I like to think of myself as a decent human being.

 

[CitizenKain]

The officer didn't throw this girl to the ground, she resisted, fell in a likely-wobbly school desk, and then assaulted the officer. Fuck her.

So did you make up the part where she assaulted him to make yourself feel better? Or was that just lying as usual?

 

[DrDoug]

You can't even manage to make it to the end of your own list of stupid rhetorical questions before you give up completely and just start answering stupid with stupid.

If my daughter was that disruptive and worthless I would want to kill myself for being such a failure as a parent.

Now, to step back from idiotic rhetoric for a second here:
The cop did not need to throw her across the room like he did. I think he did lose is temper and overreact. If he had simply grabbed her arms and somewhat gently dragged her out of the room into the hallway, I think that would have been most appropriate. Plenty of stupid to go around here, as usual.

For her sake I hope you wouldn't and instead deal with the fact that your daughter had issues you need to help her with. As far as plenty of stupid going around "here", this happened "there" and what is discussed here had no influence on the cop nor can it be used to excuse his actions.

So enough with the stupid, stupid.

 

[JEDIYoda]

She is suing the school and she will win !! That Police Officer went way over the line!!
If she was black he might have maced or used something else on her.......

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So did you make up the part where she assaulted him to make yourself feel better? Or was that just lying as usual?

She clearly took one swing at him near/at his chin. Around here:

 

[disappoint]

Is this really your opinion? I'm talking human to human here. A teenage girl is being stubborn (not violent) and you are okay with an adult male flipping her over a desk and dragging her around the room? Surely you feel something when you watch that other than camaraderie with man tossing around a non-violent young girl.

Aww they was just wrasslin.

 

[trenchfoot]

Student misbehaves, she is asked to leave numerous times, she refuses. She escalated the incident by refusing to obey those numerous orders. No one else escalated the incident up until the moment she was being forcefully removed.

From what I've seen of the three clips, this a what I consider to be a plausible position that could possibly be taken by those who are defending the officer.

When the officer attempted to remove her from the chair, she arched her back and stiffened herself to get away from the hold the officer was attempting to put on her. By doing that, she transferred the fulcrum point of the chair toward the back of the chair. The officer followed her backward motion to try to keep his hold on her, lost his grip and, with the backward momentum the student initiated, she fell over. While she was still struggling with the officer on the floor, the officer then got a hold on her and managed to drag her away from the chair. The momentum it took to remove her from the chair as she continued to forcefully struggle against the officer's efforts propelled her across the floor.

The point being, she strongly resisted every effort by the officer to remove her from the classroom. Her strenuous efforts to resist being removed from the chair directly contributed to her falling over more so than the officer's tactics.

Therefore, the officer did not intentionally throw her to the floor. The officer did not intentionally forcefully fling her across the room. The student's maneuvering to escape the officer's hold on her caused her to fall over.The force required to overcome the resistance the student was putting up was the determining factor in her sliding along the floor.

Allow me to strongly reiterate that this is not my opinion of what transpired. But from looking at the videos myself, and wondering about how the officer's defense may interpret the videos, I think it's not that far fetched to say that in spite of how the officer decided to handle the situation, there were compelling contributing factors that the officer's defense could use that pointed to how the student's strenuous efforts to resist her removal was the main cause of her falling and of her being slid across the floor, and that the officer did not intentionally commit to those actions.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The fact that she landed a punch when all four legs were still on the floor makes me not care even if he did flip it intentionally. He was responding to an assault at that point.

EDIT: Of course, the fact that his hand was under the table even when the table was still being scooted is relevant too, i.e. he could have immediately flipped it if that was intention, which likely wasn't in the first place.