School Bus attack in Illinois

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rudder

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Al, Jesse, where are you guys? oh wait it was a white boy getting his ass wooped. Never mind.
 

AMDMaddness

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I had to deal with this constantly growing up in the D.C. suburbs the govt racial busing made it very hard to not get your ass kicked by a gang of ruthless ghetto children. I got into a number of fights, I was never suspended however the other parties sometimes where. Its par for the course in inner city schools.. whities get there asses handed to them, its sucks! oh and don't ride the bus or make eye contact if you do.

Sucks to be that kid I was stuck in the ER one time for it to get stitches... should have seen the other three guys who attacked me.




They were fine.
 

randay

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you know that white kids parents are going to put the black kids parents on the street.

guess whos the one whos really getting their ass whooped?
 

waffleironhead

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Originally posted by: randay
you know that white kids parents are going to put the black kids parents on the street.

guess whos the one whos really getting their ass whooped?

lets just go after their assets, I bet their broker is E.F. Nuttin.(you cant take everything from people who have nothing.)
 
Oct 27, 2007
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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Beev
Sorry, but if they can't control their aggression by 14 then they're beyond help. Resorting to pure fist swinging makes you a stupid ape that can't logically think through the situation.

sorry, if you really think that, you are a moron.

Yep, I still remember what things were like at 14. This was pretty much the peak time for fights in high school. At age 14, boys are brimming with hormones at the peak of puberty. I knew lots of people who were getting into fights and crap at that age, they turned out ok. Not saying that these guys are good people, but the idea that 14 year olds are old and mature enough to control their aggression isn't really reasonable in my opinion. There's still time to turn these little bastards around if anyone cares enough to put the time and resources into it, but I doubt that anyone does. Sigh.
 

TwiceOver

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Obviously I can't be sure, but there were white kids laughing at the kid getting beat up, so it probably wasn't 100% ratially motivated. Probably said something dumb or isn't in the right "clique". The one kid probably didn't want the other kid sitting next to him and went off. In my book that is no excuse for the kid throwing the punches and then going back for more 5 minutes later. I say Juvenile facility until he is 18 and then let him fuck up on his own and go to prison at that time. But he'll probably get his 10 day suspension (vacation) and that will be that.

Swap the colors around and no matter what the case the white kid would be facing adult charges of ratially motivated assult.
 
Oct 27, 2007
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Originally posted by: AMDMaddness
Sucks to be that kid I was stuck in the ER one time for it to get stitches... should have seen the other three guys who attacked me.




They were fine.

Yeah it does suck. When I was 15 I was jumped by 3 Maoris (Maoris, especially in the lower socio-economic areas, have picked up a lot of their culture from African American gang culture). Needless to say, I got my ass handed to me and spent the morning in the ER.

A few years ago (I was 19 or 20) I saw one of them in a bar. He apologized to me for the shit that went down when we were younger. I was really, really surprised by it. We had a beer, we chatted for a few minutes and went our separate ways. As far as I know the other two guys are still delinquents, but at least one of them turned himself around.
 

Lamont Burns

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Here is the background.

I went to Belleville West.

They closed the original high school in 2002 and built a new one, a $60 million prison complex basically.

Belleville is a unique place. Just outside of St. Louis. The only thing between St. Louis and Belleville is East St. Louis.

The west end (belleville west) is on the western border of Belleville. Keep driving for 2-3 miles, and you are in downtown East St. Louis. However, the zip code of this area in Belleville is one of the richest in the St. Louis area, with only areas like Ladue being "richer" per capita.

Tennis Star "Jimmy Connors" is from the west end of Belleville.

We had racist fights all the time. You basically have black kids that are coming out of east st. louis going to the school. THese are totally ghetto kids, pants sagging, etc.

Then you have the rural areas around belleville going to same school. Totally corn fed country boys.

So you have rich white kids and poor black kids on the same school bus.

This is just another typicall belleville west fight. Just so happened to be caught on camera.

Pretty much exactly this. As other posters have pointed out, yes a lot of the graduates in this area don't amount to doing jack shit, if they graduate at all.
 

drum

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bus driver just keeps cruising along!? maybe they sign a waiver that they are not responsible for ass beatings on the bus and you're at your own risk boarding? :confused:
 

Regs

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Looks like kid sat down in a seat that the other guy wanted all to himself. White kid said something fresh and the beat down ensued.

What bothered me is that the bus driver didn't pull over and immediately call the authorities or for medical attention. Why wait for them to get back to school and have the kids vacate the scene of a crime?

Expulsion is always a last resort punishment because the last thing we need is more thugs growing up without an education. I'd say we should continue to educate those two students.......in juvenile detention. It's heart breaking to see that kind of shit go down with young kids. Even when I was their age and witnessed fights, I always thought they were senseless and saddening. I would literally just walk by a fight and not even care to watch it.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Regs
What bothered me is that the bus driver didn't pull over and immediately call the authorities or for medical attention. Why wait for them to get back to school and have the kids vacate the scene of a crime?

Please... where do you think bus drivers come from? He was the short little black kid about 5 10 years ago.
 
Aug 23, 2000
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Originally posted by: Beev
Fucking pieces of trash. Classic examples of humans that don't deserve to live. They're obviously not going to amount to a damn thing, or be useful in any way other than flipping my hamburgers.

They won't be flipping hamburgers, they'll be slinging rock, waiting for their rap career to take off.

It sickens me t othe core that the police captain recanted in classifying this as a hate crime. It most definately is one.
 
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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Beev
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Beev
Fucking pieces of trash. Classic examples of humans that don't deserve to live. They're obviously not going to amount to a damn thing, or be useful in any way other than flipping my hamburgers.

meh, the kids are 14 and 15 years old, and you have absolutely no clue wtf the story is as to why any of this happened.

not saying it's okay what they did, but you have no clue either.

Sorry, but if they can't control their aggression by 14 then they're beyond help. Resorting to pure fist swinging makes you a stupid ape that can't logically think through the situation.

sorry, if you really think that, you are a moron.

How is it wrong? Do you advocate adults fighting over a seat on a bus? If you think fighting is the answer to mundane shit, then you are the one that is a moron. The only time you should be fighting someone is if it's your job and you are in a sanctioned event, ala WWE/MMA ect, or you are fighting for your life.
Fighting over a bus seat shows that some people in our society have yet to come out of the trees.
 
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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Regs
What bothered me is that the bus driver didn't pull over and immediately call the authorities or for medical attention. Why wait for them to get back to school and have the kids vacate the scene of a crime?

Please... where do you think bus drivers come from? He was the short little black kid about 5 10 years ago.

hahaha.

Paybacks a bitch CRACKA!!
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Beev
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Beev
Fucking pieces of trash. Classic examples of humans that don't deserve to live. They're obviously not going to amount to a damn thing, or be useful in any way other than flipping my hamburgers.

meh, the kids are 14 and 15 years old, and you have absolutely no clue wtf the story is as to why any of this happened.

not saying it's okay what they did, but you have no clue either.

Sorry, but if they can't control their aggression by 14 then they're beyond help. Resorting to pure fist swinging makes you a stupid ape that can't logically think through the situation.

sorry, if you really think that, you are a moron.

How is it wrong? Do you advocate adults fighting over a seat on a bus? If you think fighting is the answer to mundane shit, then you are the one that is a moron. The only time you should be fighting someone is if it's your job and you are in a sanctioned event, ala WWE/MMA ect, or you are fighting for your life.
Fighting over a bus seat shows that some people in our society have yet to come out of the trees.

these aren't adults, these are kids who are hardly even teenagers.

again, not sure where you guys grew up but fighting in highschool was pretty damn common.
 
Oct 27, 2007
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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Beev
Sorry, but if they can't control their aggression by 14 then they're beyond help. Resorting to pure fist swinging makes you a stupid ape that can't logically think through the situation.

sorry, if you really think that, you are a moron.

How is it wrong? Do you advocate adults fighting over a seat on a bus? If you think fighting is the answer to mundane shit, then you are the one that is a moron. The only time you should be fighting someone is if it's your job and you are in a sanctioned event, ala WWE/MMA ect, or you are fighting for your life.
Fighting over a bus seat shows that some people in our society have yet to come out of the trees.

He never claimed that the fighting was right or good, he claimed that it's hardly fair to expect 14 year olds to be in total control of their aggression/emotions. These are hormone-filled kids, don't you remember what it was like being a teenager? I think these kids are little assholes, I just don't think that the appropriate response to this behavior is to shun/beat/kill/imprison/launch into the sun. If we (as a society) don't start putting the energy into trying to correct kids like this then we'll never break the cycle. If we imprison these little assholes then eventually they'll get out, angrier than ever, and pass the anger on to their own kids.

A lot of guys think they're being big men by being tough on kids who make stupid decisions. I think it takes a bigger man to decide that we can help them, that not every one of these kids is a lost cause. We should put in the effort to change these kids while they're still young, while their minds are malleable, while they're not old enough to be so jaded by a society than shuns them that their attitudes have solidified for life. I'm sure most of ATOT will disagree with me.
 

TechBoyJK

Lifer
Oct 17, 2002
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it will be funny if we find out the white kid sat down next to the other kid and rippped a huge fart
 

jonks

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grrr, me see two different races fighting, have no other facts, but must be racially motivated. i have concluded, it is now fact. It not possible white kid slept with black kids sister and bragged about it on facebook. Not possible at all. Must be racially motivated. grrr.
 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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well luckily its on camera.
now we wait to see if the politically correct school hands out justified punishment for all involved.
 

FelixDeCat

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Aug 4, 2000
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One black kid did pull off the first attacker. Another one later also stood in the way to block more attacks after the second was finished. Its too bad neither acted sooner, but at least they did help and deserve credit.

It sounded like a zoo in there with all the hooting and hollering. Kind of like a scene from Planet of the Apes. All we needed was the late, great Charleton Heston to say, "Get your stinkin' paws off me, you damn dirty ape!"

I hope the perps are punished beyond their suspensions and the victim makes a full recovery. I would also like to thank the wonders of modern technology that allows us to view and analyze this attack first hand.
 

AstroManLuca

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Jun 24, 2004
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I am not in a position to say whether this was racially motivated, but if I were the victim I'd be more racist after the attack than before, that's for sure. This is a great way to breed racial stereotypes.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Hopefully those future felons will be expelled from school to save taxpayers from the expense of babysitting them through the remainder of their high school years. They will not amount to anything in their lives with or without a high school diploma.
 

Regs

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Regs
What bothered me is that the bus driver didn't pull over and immediately call the authorities or for medical attention. Why wait for them to get back to school and have the kids vacate the scene of a crime?

Please... where do you think bus drivers come from? He was the short little black kid about 5 10 years ago.

Got me there. lol.
 
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Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Hopefully those future felons will be expelled from school to save taxpayers from the expense of babysitting them through the remainder of their high school years. They will not amount to anything in their lives with or without a high school diploma.

Yeah, that would be better for everyone :roll: