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School Board Says Church Can't Visit Students On School Grounds
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BugsBunny1078
Banned
"A simple discussion may not harm, but the children are so weak minded that they may start thinking for themselves. therefore one must protect the child from themselves."
Yes you wouldn't want any kids thinking for themselves would you?
Yes you wouldn't want any kids thinking for themselves would you?
dahunan
Lifer
This is how hard liberals in Oregon fight to get God out of Schools
Julie Cortez is suing Gresham-Barlow for not letting her son, 6, hand out a religious Christmas card
02/10/04
MELISSA L. JONES
GRESHAM -- A parent is suing the Gresham-Barlow School District for prohibiting her 6-year-old son from distributing a Jesus-themed Christmas card at a school party in December.
According to the complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court, the student brought Christmas cards to his kindergarten holiday party at North Gresham Elementary School. The cards had a candy cane attached to the front and a message about the "The Meaning of the Candy Cane."
The message said the "J" shape of the candy cane represents Jesus; the color white represents his pureness and the red represents "the blood Jesus sheds for us."
According to the complaint, a teacher saw the message, took the cards to the school principal, who called the superintendent for advice. The district reviewed its policies the day of the North Gresham party and allowed the student to distribute the candy canes without the religious message attached.
MORE at url
Oregonian Newspaper Article Link
Good!
Considering it's total religious-wacko, mumbo-jumbo.
Origin of the candy cane
Snopes article on the candy cane
BugsBunny1078
Banned
I read the article but the word sermon is being used to exaggerate the details.I said there was no sermon at the school and indeed there wasn't Merely talking to a kid is not a sermon even if it is religious. Sermon is a one way speech, not a conversation. I am talking about the right of the church members to have a conversation, not broadcast their sermons over the PA system.
Proseliting has no place in a publicly funded educational institute. As Nitemare has already related, a Satanist preacher would be turned away at the door and a Islamic Imam that proselitied among the student body would draw immediate community condemnation.
It's pretty simple, stop trying to convert other peoples kids. If you want your kids to talk to your preacher arrange for them to meet seperately. I don't want a bloody priest walking around at lunch time trying to convert my kids.
It's pretty simple, stop trying to convert other peoples kids. If you want your kids to talk to your preacher arrange for them to meet seperately. I don't want a bloody priest walking around at lunch time trying to convert my kids.
wirelessenabled
Platinum Member
When I played basketball on the high school team 4 (out of 12) players started going to an evangelical church. They started holding prayer sessions in the locker room, then on the gym floor, then on the bus before games. One of them was particularly "evangelical" and being a physically big guy stifled any discontent on the team about what was going on. Finally they got to the point where everybody on the team was supposed to be quiet and still while they prayed. I finally go p1ssed and made a point of shooting hoops and bouncing around when the prayer started. The big guy comes over and tells me to stop! I told him to jam it so he threatened me. What would Jesus do?😀
Still don't like the bible thumpers! They expect everybody else to be "respectful" when they want to pray and carry on, but they have no respect for anybody else's thoughts or viewpoints.
I say keep them out of the school. If they want to teach kids religion let them lure the kids to church property.😀
Still don't like the bible thumpers! They expect everybody else to be "respectful" when they want to pray and carry on, but they have no respect for anybody else's thoughts or viewpoints.
I say keep them out of the school. If they want to teach kids religion let them lure the kids to church property.😀
I'll take the word of the school's attorney, who was there and videotaped it, over the opinion of someone who 1) wasn't there; 2) seems to think the sermon must have been given over the PA and not in the lunchroom directly to the students; and 3) somehow concludes that the word 'sermon' is an exaggeration.
UPDATE:
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=1651613&nav=0RZEKuoL
(SHEPHERDSVILLE, Ky., February 18th, 2004, 5:30 p.m.) -- The Bullitt County School Board may be sticking firm on its decision to keep religious figures from talking to students during school, but those in the community who oppose the decision are planning on taking the issue even further. As WAVE 3's Shannon Davidson reports, both sides could end up before the Supreme Court.
Those in attendance at Tuesday night's school board meeting vow the fight is far from over.
The meeting ended with the board standing firm. They will not allow church representatives of any kind to meet with students during school.
Little Flock Ministry, the church leading the opposing charge, had this to say in a statement: "(Our) attorneys are reviewing the school board's proceeding to prepare for the next step in our struggle against religious discrimination."
So how far can this go?
"This is a First Amendment issue, it's not just the state constitution. Whichever way it goes, it could go all the way to the United States Supreme Court," said UofL Political Science Professor Paul Weber.
While it may be possible, Weber says he doesn't even think it'll get that far. "My suspicion is that if it does go through the court system, the court is going to uphold the school board on this one."
Weber says a public school is not a public forum, and because the students are considered a captive audience, the school must adhere to federal guidelines.
"Obviously, you have children there that have to be there, by law, so you have to protect them. You can't have open doors," said Weber.
But for the crowd at Tuesday night's meeting, the case is far from being closed.
The school says it will continue to allow its students to meet with outside members of the community before or after school or during club time.
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=1651613&nav=0RZEKuoL
(SHEPHERDSVILLE, Ky., February 18th, 2004, 5:30 p.m.) -- The Bullitt County School Board may be sticking firm on its decision to keep religious figures from talking to students during school, but those in the community who oppose the decision are planning on taking the issue even further. As WAVE 3's Shannon Davidson reports, both sides could end up before the Supreme Court.
Those in attendance at Tuesday night's school board meeting vow the fight is far from over.
The meeting ended with the board standing firm. They will not allow church representatives of any kind to meet with students during school.
Little Flock Ministry, the church leading the opposing charge, had this to say in a statement: "(Our) attorneys are reviewing the school board's proceeding to prepare for the next step in our struggle against religious discrimination."
So how far can this go?
"This is a First Amendment issue, it's not just the state constitution. Whichever way it goes, it could go all the way to the United States Supreme Court," said UofL Political Science Professor Paul Weber.
While it may be possible, Weber says he doesn't even think it'll get that far. "My suspicion is that if it does go through the court system, the court is going to uphold the school board on this one."
Weber says a public school is not a public forum, and because the students are considered a captive audience, the school must adhere to federal guidelines.
"Obviously, you have children there that have to be there, by law, so you have to protect them. You can't have open doors," said Weber.
But for the crowd at Tuesday night's meeting, the case is far from being closed.
The school says it will continue to allow its students to meet with outside members of the community before or after school or during club time.
Can some Wahabbi clerics go to that school and talk to the children and young adults? Or how about some sect leader?
Separation of church and state aside, parents send children to public school to receive a secular education. There are religious schools for those who want to get some spiritual guidance.
I think they shouldn't allow strangers to walk in on campus and talk to children to begin with.
Separation of church and state aside, parents send children to public school to receive a secular education. There are religious schools for those who want to get some spiritual guidance.
I think they shouldn't allow strangers to walk in on campus and talk to children to begin with.
In my high school, the only adults allowed in the building are either staff/faculty members, parents, or visitors for presentations or staff members. Visitors were never allowed on school grounds to visit kids during lunch hours. This seems like an appropriate ban to me, and I agree that if a Muslim or Satanist member had gone to the school during lunch hours to meet with students they would have been protestedin a heartbeat by those same parents.
We all know that the liberals are anti-religion heathens. And schools are anti-religion and often times run by liberals as well. It's time for the good Christian folk to take their children out of these heathen schools. God never said to get an education anyways. Or.... parents could go on shooting rampages in schools. That would show these religion-haters a thing or to.
Zephyr
Zephyr
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