Because they don't WANT you to see it!!
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Alchemizer, you can sit there all night and dispute "what ifs" of an imaginary court case if you want, or you can find evidence to counter / disprove the evidence I've presented 
(or maybe you've actually accepted the evidence as true?)
I think you're afraid what would happen if this information made it to the general public. What percentage of this country has heard about these facts (Mineta's testitomy + explosions)? I'm guessing 0-1%.
It's going to get ugly, and none of us are able to stop it Everday, more people are finding out...and it's only a matter of time before more media networks pick up on it (to my knowledge so far, it's been the Miami Herald, Utah's Deseret News, Washington Times, MSNBC, and Fox News 40...maybe I've missed a few)
From what I understand, there's a Federal gag order on FAA, NYPD, NYFD. I don't believe any of them are involved in the conspiracy (in fact, one vocal fire fighter has been speaking out... http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bombs_inside_wtc.html , http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/paulisaac.html ... and the fire fighter is indeed real...I've seen video clips of him being pissed off at one of makers of Loose Change (for passing out information to people at the 2005 Ground Zero memorial)
I don't believe demolition crews are involved either...at least...not the Ground Zero crews (demolition crews helped the cleanup effort at Ground Zero). I'd point my finger at certain elements of the military (as proven by Operation Northwoods) and a few other higher ups.
(or maybe you've actually accepted the evidence as true?)I think you're afraid what would happen if this information made it to the general public. What percentage of this country has heard about these facts (Mineta's testitomy + explosions)? I'm guessing 0-1%.
It's going to get ugly, and none of us are able to stop it
Everday, more people are finding out...and it's only a matter of time before more media networks pick up on it (to my knowledge so far, it's been the Miami Herald, Utah's Deseret News, Washington Times, MSNBC, and Fox News 40...maybe I've missed a few)Of course it does. It shows that Cheney was aware of an incoming plane...which possibly means he didn't warn the Pentagon, thus allowing American deaths to occur.
55,800 results in google for PNAC "New Pearl Harbor". It exists
From what I understand, there's a Federal gag order on FAA, NYPD, NYFD. I don't believe any of them are involved in the conspiracy (in fact, one vocal fire fighter has been speaking out... http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bombs_inside_wtc.html , http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/paulisaac.html ... and the fire fighter is indeed real...I've seen video clips of him being pissed off at one of makers of Loose Change (for passing out information to people at the 2005 Ground Zero memorial)
I don't believe demolition crews are involved either...at least...not the Ground Zero crews (demolition crews helped the cleanup effort at Ground Zero). I'd point my finger at certain elements of the military (as proven by Operation Northwoods) and a few other higher ups.
You're saying the factual evidence presented, and all of the fire fighters / news reporters are nutjobs? If that allows you to sleep peacefully at night...then keep on thinking that.
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Good question... the evidence presented in this thread has been factual for the most part ...and Mineta's testimony certainly qualifies as "News".
Then again, Off Topic has a bigger audience...the more people who see the facts, the better.
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I stand corrected - the actual text is as follows: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event ? like a new Pearl Harbor.". While coincidental, it's hardly a smoking gun or damning. Pearl Harbor was a massive event in our history known by all. They merely speculate that the rate of change for military buildup will be slow absent such an event. This hardly shows any motive to kill 3,000 of your fellow citizens.
I think we've reached a statemate. You're unable to provide the elements I've asked for. There are far too many gaps in the theory presented, and it will IMO always remain a "conspiracy theory". Occam's razor my friend. Our government is truly incompetent, but not malignant.
Personally I'd love for this to reach court somewhere. You can trot tinfoil "experts" all day across the stand, but none of this will stand to the scrutiny a court of law requires. Your firefighters assertions would be laughed off the stand:
Here's a preview:
Attorney: "Sir, you've asserted that this is was an inside job. How do you know that?"
Firefighter: "Well, cause I just know! Everyone knows!"
A: "Yes, but specifically how do you know?"
FF: "Half of the police and firemen were coming up to us and telling us that they know that 9-11 was an inside job!"
A: "Objection your honor, hearsay"
Judge: "Sustained"
A: "Do you have any firsthand knowledge that this was an inside job?"
F: "Um................no.............but BUSH LIED WMD FASCIST HITLER ONE!!!111one"
A: "No further questions your honor"
I think we've reached a statemate. You're unable to provide the elements I've asked for. There are far too many gaps in the theory presented, and it will IMO always remain a "conspiracy theory". Occam's razor my friend. Our government is truly incompetent, but not malignant.
Personally I'd love for this to reach court somewhere. You can trot tinfoil "experts" all day across the stand, but none of this will stand to the scrutiny a court of law requires. Your firefighters assertions would be laughed off the stand:
Here's a preview:
Attorney: "Sir, you've asserted that this is was an inside job. How do you know that?"
Firefighter: "Well, cause I just know! Everyone knows!"
A: "Yes, but specifically how do you know?"
FF: "Half of the police and firemen were coming up to us and telling us that they know that 9-11 was an inside job!"
A: "Objection your honor, hearsay"
Judge: "Sustained"
A: "Do you have any firsthand knowledge that this was an inside job?"
F: "Um................no.............but BUSH LIED WMD FASCIST HITLER ONE!!!111one"
A: "No further questions your honor"
I'm close to getting my Ph.D. in chemical engineering...my research focuses more in the area of condensed matter physics.
I'm very familiar with reaction kinetics (combustion) , thermo., materials/metallurgy, heat transfer, etc.
From what I have read of the facts and questions surrounding the WTC collapse, I think further investigation is absolutely warranted concerning the WTC collpase...stuff does not add up AT ALL.
I'm very familiar with reaction kinetics (combustion) , thermo., materials/metallurgy, heat transfer, etc.
From what I have read of the facts and questions surrounding the WTC collapse, I think further investigation is absolutely warranted concerning the WTC collpase...stuff does not add up AT ALL.
Why are you still trying to argue as if we were in a court of law? That day might arrive, or it might not. The evidence is strong enough to cause an uproar, imo.
The facts are coming out...whether you like it or not. As long as the public finds out, right?
Americans deserve to know the truth. What's the old saying? Liberty, and Justice for all?You can continue running around in circles with your imaginary "court" case. I'll stick with Mineta's testimony and the evidence of explosions / controlled demoltion.
Alc, you really should at least look at the BYU physic's prof.'s layout of the WTC collapse (everything else aside).
I'll say this...IF his representation of the facts is honest and correct, he offers some compelling scientific evidence and thoughts that the WTC may have been professionally demolished and further investigation should be completed to either put that possibility to death or provide additional evidence supporting it.
BTW...are you a lawyer or something? And what is with the "laughed out of any science lab"?
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yes I guess I am blind to the truth....
becuase even a man with 100% - 20/20 vision couldn`t find the truth or anything more than heresday or conjecture coming from anything you have posted!!
Its sad that somebody like you have so much time on your hands that you actually believe all the conjecture and unsubstantiated statemnets.
Then when you get nailed to the wall by a member of these forums who can actually think and reason you start with your excuses about a government cover up...
Again I`m just posting becuase I needed a good laugh!!
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848
9/11 was planned by the american government. any views to the contrary would be missinformed/ignorant/stupid.
9/11 was planned by the american government. any views to the contrary would be missinformed/ignorant/stupid.
Correct... but most doubters refuse to watch it (they also refuse to examine the evidence in this thread of controlled demolition at WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7) ... it destroys the bubble they've been living in.
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I have yet to see a single doubter here to objectively look at the facts presented by the plethora of researchers, scientists, and professors regarding the demolition of WTC. Rather, they'd just put their faith in the government that they are completely innocent, and the media never lies. But then again, it's no surprise as to why none of the doubters would look at anything objectively with that kind of thinking. :roll:
Heck I doubt a single one of them even read the Pop Mechanics article, and just put their faith in the article, that they must be right.
Heck I doubt a single one of them even read the Pop Mechanics article, and just put their faith in the article, that they must be right.
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: alchemize
"Experts" and "scholars" - that's code for looney leftists
Non-partisan group. LOL!
Oh I missed the "press conference!"
It sounds like you haven't been doing your homework regarding 9/11...especially the numerous explosions at WTC.
Edit: Many fire fighters, news reporters, police crews, and regular citizens have reported numerous lower level explosions before WTC1, and WTC2 collapsed. I'm not making this up... their accounts have all been caught on camera, but the media has not shown it since 9/11. The scholars in this group are also in agreement that WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were brought down by controlled demolition. The evidence is overwhelming, and I agree with them (I started doing my own research early January, 2006). You just might surprised as to what you haven't been shown on the news.
Nothing but pure kookery. A lot of these are simple distortions of what firefighters said, and some of it, like the controlled demolition nonsense are just total nonsense. There is NO evidence of any demolition at all, NONE. You need to talk to an engineer, A REAL EXPERT, and get a clue.
LOL, WTC7 Was damaged from WTC 1 and 2 collapsing, and the fires in it finished it off. Again, there was and is no evidence of any controlled demo, and the videos prove it.
Stop looking at kookpages and talk to an engineer if you can't figure it out.
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Why are you still trying to argue as if we were in a court of law? That day might arrive, or it might not. The evidence is strong enough to cause an uproar, imo.
The facts are coming out...whether you like it or not. As long as the public finds out, right?
You can continue running around in circles with your imaginary "court" case. I'll stick with Mineta's testimony and the evidence of explosions / controlled demoltion.
An uproar? If what you state is true, I want civil war! I want the heads of everyone involved on a pike, and blood flowing in the streets.
That's another reason why I don't believe it is true. Because anyone with a conscience involved would find a way to expose it.
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