Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

[Via]

What I'd like to see, and maybe much of America with me, is TT and his sidekick facing off against an angry UFC heavyweight.

If he got out of that unscathed I might actually turn religious.

 

[BUTCH1]

I don't know what's funnier, how much you hate him or how much attention you're giving this whole thing with your hate. Can't make something go away if you keep talking about it... positive or negative.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some reading to do.

OMFG, how much did that shot of Tebow-tonic cost you. $20?? BTW, as stated I don't hate TT, just the way undue amount of attention he commands, my bet is by the middle of next season he's riding the pine unless he can find a coach to work on his throwing accuracy..

 

[hclarkjr]

The Colts organization is so messed up right now that they might be stupid enough to land up with Tim Tebow as their quarterback next year.



They got fooled before when Elway refused to play for them in Baltimore. Now things are so screwed up in Indy that they could be bamboozled into giving away their number one pick to the Broncos for Tebow and a raftful of draft picks. The reasoning might be that with a new coach and Manning's future uncertain, Tebow might be a better fit for their style of play. Elway and Fox have a burning desire to get Luck in spite of what they said yesterday about Tebow being their guy.

at least the colts would make the playoffs next year with tebow at QB

 

[hclarkjr]

it astounds me, tebow took team that was going to make a run for the first pick in the draft coming up to a team that finished the season at 9-9. yet he still will not get a break, this was his second year in the league and is still learining. give him an off season as the starter with elway teaching him and lets see what he does next year as the potential starter

 

[darkswordsman17]

it astounds me, tebow took team that was going to make a run for the first pick in the draft coming up to a team that finished the season at 9-9. yet he still will not get a break, this was his second year in the league and is still learining. give him an off season as the starter with elway teaching him and lets see what he does next year as the potential starter

Can you explain why Tebow is being given credit and not the defense (and an actual rookie who had a stellar season, unlike Tebow)? This was Von Miller's first year in the league and yet, the Broncos went about as he went. He played well, they won. He played not as well, they lost.

 

[edro]

^ Right.
Tebow is just like Flacco.
Just don't throw interceptions and the defense will take care of things.

 

[PimpJuice]

What I'd like to see, and maybe much of America with me, is TT and his sidekick facing off against an angry UFC heavyweight.

If he got out of that unscathed I might actually turn religious.

I'd like to see Tebow go against you and see if you go unscathed.

 

[hclarkjr]

Can you explain why Tebow is being given credit and not the defense (and an actual rookie who had a stellar season, unlike Tebow)? This was Von Miller's first year in the league and yet, the Broncos went about as he went. He played well, they won. He played not as well, they lost.

tebow inspired the offense and defense, they fed of his confidence

 

[hclarkjr]

you need a quarterback who is confident, take rex grossman for example. i watched many games this year where he fumbled and threw interceptions and the team gave up and they lost.

 

[Capt Caveman]

tebow inspired the offense and defense, they fed of his confidence

LOL. That happened big time Saturday night. All I saw was him sitting on the bench looking like he was going to cry. Why no pics of him on the sidelines trying to inspire his team?

Basically, Tebow was given the opportunity by the coaches to go to a gimmick offense that for a number of games, teams were not able to adjust to. Thus, he had a 6 game winning streak that got many on the Tebow bandwagon where no one gave credit to the coaching staff for changing to a gimmick offense that the opposition needed some time to adjust to shown by the 1-4 finish.

Also no consideration is made that with a young offensive line and defense with no training camps and short preseason due to the strike that it took some time in the beginning of the regular season for these groups to gel. Add that to the great play by the Prater and McGahee who don't get much credit, inspiration is bull.

Add a weak schedule, lots of luck like Marion Barber being a moron and Oakland losing their last 3 games, the Broncos got into the playoffs. But as shown by the Pats, Bills and Chiefs in the last three games of the regular season, their adjustments to the gimmick offense made Tebow the worst QB in the league which lead to the disaster that occurred on Saturday where Tebow inspired nobody. As noted, by the experts and even Denver writers, if Tebow had semi-proper mechanics, he probably wouldn't have fumbled the ball Sat night but b/c of his need to wind-up to throw the ball had to bring the ball low, easy for a strip to occur. One reason he led the NFL in fumbles lost even though he only played in 11 games. You would think such a harder worker that Tebow is that in two years, he would have worked on how to properly throw the ball and play in the pocket.

Weren't Bronco fans all giddy too when they started 6-0 with McDaniels as head coach? And now, Tebow enters the 2012 season as only the starter going into training camp.

 

[PimpJuice]

LOL. That happened big time Saturday night. All I saw was him sitting on the bench looking like he was going to cry. Why no pics of him on the sidelines trying to inspire his team?

Basically, Tebow was given the opportunity by the coaches to go to a gimmick offense that for a number of games, teams were not able to adjust to. Thus, he had a 6 game winning streak that got many on the Tebow bandwagon where no one gave credit to the coaching staff for changing to a gimmick offense that the opposition needed some time to adjust to shown by the 1-4 finish.

Also no consideration is made that with a young offensive line and defense with no training camps and short preseason due to the strike that it took some time in the beginning of the regular season for these groups to gel. Add that to the great play by the Prater and McGahee who don't get much credit, inspiration is bull.

Add a weak schedule, lots of luck like Marion Barber being a moron and Oakland losing their last 3 games, the Broncos got into the playoffs. But as shown by the Pats, Bills and Chiefs in the last three games of the regular season, their adjustments to the gimmick offense made Tebow the worst QB in the league which lead to the disaster that occurred on Saturday where Tebow inspired nobody. As noted, by the experts and even Denver writers, if Tebow had semi-proper mechanics, he probably wouldn't have fumbled the ball Sat night but b/c of his need to wind-up to throw the ball had to bring the ball low, easy for a strip to occur. One reason he led the NFL in fumbles lost even though he only played in 11 games. You would think such a harder worker that Tebow is that in two years, he would have worked on how to properly throw the ball and play in the pocket.

Weren't Bronco fans all giddy too when they started 6-0 with McDaniels as head coach? And now, Tebow enters the 2012 season as only the starter going into training camp.

Get over it dude, why are you so obsessed with this?

 

[purbeast0]

you need a quarterback who is confident, take rex grossman for example. i watched many games this year where he fumbled and threw interceptions and the team gave up and they lost.

if you think the only reasons the redskins lost was due to grossmans play, then you don't know much about football.

also, rex grossman is extremely confident. he can brush off ints and fumbles better than a lot of other qb's can. but that is also his downfall because he makes bad decisions and consistently does it.

EDIT:

i see that you don't know much about football based on your prior posts. carry on.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Get over it dude, why are you so obsessed with this?

Huh? Based on your posts in the Brady thread, you can't stand bandwagon fans. Oh wait, some bandwagons are alright. :thumbsup:

 

[sactoking]

it astounds me, tebow took team that was going to make a run for the first pick in the draft coming up to a team that finished the season at 9-9. yet he still will not get a break, this was his second year in the league and is still learining. give him an off season as the starter with elway teaching him and lets see what he does next year as the potential starter

As SI.com writer Peter King pointed out in his wonderful Monday Morning Quarterback column this week:

Denver's first 5 games with Orton
W-L 1-4 Points 105 Comp % .587 TD-INT 8-7 QBR 75.7

Denver's last 5 games with Tebow
W-L 1-4 Points 79 Comp % .402 TD-INT 3-4 QBR 60.5


Denver backed into the playoffs on the strength of their defense and weakness of their division. The team was better at QB with Orton in pretty much every measurable way than they were with Tebow at the end of the season yet the losses early were all Orton's fault and the losses late were allegedly not Tebow's fault.

 

[hclarkjr]

if you think the only reasons the redskins lost was due to grossmans play, then you don't know much about football.

also, rex grossman is extremely confident. he can brush off ints and fumbles better than a lot of other qb's can. but that is also his downfall because he makes bad decisions and consistently does it.

EDIT:

i see that you don't know much about football based on your prior posts. carry on.

where in my sentence did i say that was the only reason they lost? daniel snyder has a lot to do with that

 

[hclarkjr]

LOL. That happened big time Saturday night. All I saw was him sitting on the bench looking like he was going to cry. Why no pics of him on the sidelines trying to inspire his team?

Basically, Tebow was given the opportunity by the coaches to go to a gimmick offense that for a number of games, teams were not able to adjust to. Thus, he had a 6 game winning streak that got many on the Tebow bandwagon where no one gave credit to the coaching staff for changing to a gimmick offense that the opposition needed some time to adjust to shown by the 1-4 finish.

Also no consideration is made that with a young offensive line and defense with no training camps and short preseason due to the strike that it took some time in the beginning of the regular season for these groups to gel. Add that to the great play by the Prater and McGahee who don't get much credit, inspiration is bull.

Add a weak schedule, lots of luck like Marion Barber being a moron and Oakland losing their last 3 games, the Broncos got into the playoffs. But as shown by the Pats, Bills and Chiefs in the last three games of the regular season, their adjustments to the gimmick offense made Tebow the worst QB in the league which lead to the disaster that occurred on Saturday where Tebow inspired nobody. As noted, by the experts and even Denver writers, if Tebow had semi-proper mechanics, he probably wouldn't have fumbled the ball Sat night but b/c of his need to wind-up to throw the ball had to bring the ball low, easy for a strip to occur. One reason he led the NFL in fumbles lost even though he only played in 11 games. You would think such a harder worker that Tebow is that in two years, he would have worked on how to properly throw the ball and play in the pocket.

Weren't Bronco fans all giddy too when they started 6-0 with McDaniels as head coach? And now, Tebow enters the 2012 season as only the starter going into training camp.

again, you ignore the fact the team went 9-9 with him and focus on one game

 

[hclarkjr]

looks like tebow played through some injuries in loss to patriots http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...s-to-new-england-patriots-nfl-playoffs-011812

 

[IAteYourMother]

again, you ignore the fact the team went 9-9 with him and focus on one game

great, but the point is that the success is unsustainable. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers went 10-6 last year, but were the hot pick to regress and suck this year. And boy did they suck.

The Tim Tebow led option attack succeeded in the short term because it's very different from what teams normally prepare for. But now that a lot of teams have figured it out, that success will be hard to come by.

See: Dolphins, Miami using the Wildcat offense.

 

[Cuda1447]

As SI.com writer Peter King pointed out in his wonderful Monday Morning Quarterback column this week:

Denver's first 5 games with Orton
W-L 1-4 Points 105 Comp % .587 TD-INT 8-7 QBR 75.7

Denver's last 5 games with Tebow
W-L 1-4 Points 79 Comp % .402 TD-INT 3-4 QBR 60.5


Denver backed into the playoffs on the strength of their defense and weakness of their division. The team was better at QB with Orton in pretty much every measurable way than they were with Tebow at the end of the season yet the losses early were all Orton's fault and the losses late were allegedly not Tebow's fault.

Those are great stats actually. Orton was a starting QB in the NFL and not many people said he shouldn't be starting for Denver, with the exception of Tebow fans. Orton had some better stats, but obviously wasn't the running threat that Tebow was. Given Tebows running ability and yards gained, I'd put Tebows performance over the last 4 games just slightly under Ortons.

Let's not forget Orton is a veteran, Tebow is a very young QB. Tebow had his number 1 receiver traded away before he took over the job (a conspiracy theorist could say it was to sabotage him). Lost his #2 WR against Pittsburg and played two of those 5 games in the playoffs, a much tougher atmosphere, especially for a young QB.

Overall, I'd say it's a push. But Tebow has a hell of a lot more upside than Orton. Tebow can improve. I don't think you are going to get much more out of Orton. So tell me again, why should Tebow not have been starting?

 

[GotIssues]

I kinda sorta disagree. You're not going to have many chances to score when your defense is letting the other team have all the time in the world to score on you, or give you long fields after punts. Both sides of the ball sucked for the Bronco's last night.

I wasn't talking strictly the NE playoff game. I was talking about their season. Denvers defense plays well and keeps it close, Denver can win. If the defense is off in the slightest, forget about it.



I think it's pretty obvious:

If you are a Tebow fan, all wins are because of Tebow's greatness, and all losses were because of someone/something else. [Tebow fans stop here]

If you are firmly set in reality, Tebow plays well in close games, but if the defense doesn't keep it close late, you can kiss the game goodbye. The offense is mediocre on a good day and truly abysmal on bad days. The fact that bandwagoners are blind to these facts is mind boggling.

If Denver hitches their wagon to Tebow, pay extra attention to college ball so you know who you want to pick first next year.

 

[Cuda1447]

Tebow has more weaknesses than you care to admit.

Even by your own admissions, Tebow would need a lot of work just to become servicable. Do you REALLY want to put the amount of work necessary to get him to that level? If you devote that much time and resources to a single player, you need to get some kind of payoff. Tebow's payoff is that he'll be mediocre. The sooner Denver realizes Tebow isn't worth the time or effort, the sooner they'll be looking for an actual solution.

I'll admit his weaknesses. He doesn't throw well at all, from inside the pocket. Its a huge weakness. He has a long wind up which causes him to fumble the ball a lot more than he should.

As for developing a player, if he's your quarterback you put all the resources you have available into him. That's a non-issue in my opinion. The reason you take the risk with Tebow is because of his intangibles. On and off the field.

All I've ever said is Tebow deserves to be starting in the NFL. I never said he is a top 10 QB. He's a top 32 QB. Plain and simple. Many claim he has no business starting, I think they are wrong.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Face it, if he wasn't a devout Christian or if he was a Muslim or Jew, this thread would not be over 1000 posts long.

And if he was praying to Mecca on the ground, we would be respecting and praising his right to do so instead mocking people for "Tebowing."

 

[gorcorps]

Those are great stats actually. Orton was a starting QB in the NFL and not many people said he shouldn't be starting for Denver, with the exception of Tebow fans. Orton had some better stats, but obviously wasn't the running threat that Tebow was. Given Tebows running ability and yards gained, I'd put Tebows performance over the last 4 games just slightly under Ortons.

Let's not forget Orton is a veteran, Tebow is a very young QB. Tebow had his number 1 receiver traded away before he took over the job (a conspiracy theorist could say it was to sabotage him). Lost his #2 WR against Pittsburg and played two of those 5 games in the playoffs, a much tougher atmosphere, especially for a young QB.

Overall, I'd say it's a push. But Tebow has a hell of a lot more upside than Orton. Tebow can improve. I don't think you are going to get much more out of Orton. So tell me again, why should Tebow not have been starting?

My problem with Orton was always his lack of leadership, or caring. A team would show blitz and Orton would see it, but not have the stones to call an audible. So he would get his shit rocked when he should really know better. He also didn't do much to keep the team together, but one can argue this was also happening while McDaniels was ruining the team so it's hard to say what could have happened if McD wasn't there (other than getting Orton in the first place... and then Tebow)

Tebow has the opposite character, great leadership and terrible mechanics. I would argue it's easier to teach people how to throw and harder to teach people how to lead and inspire. I don't know why the defense played better with Tebow, but they seemed to. It could very well be that ANY change in the team could have sparked the defense, but we'll never know.

 

[rise]

looks like tebow played through some injuries in loss to patriots http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...s-to-new-england-patriots-nfl-playoffs-011812

LOL, everyone is playing through injuries at this point in the season. But again, it's tebow, so let's make a big deal out of it.

 

[BUTCH1]

looks like tebow played through some injuries in loss to patriots http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...s-to-new-england-patriots-nfl-playoffs-011812

Gutsy of him to do so but it proves my point, an option based offense exposes the QB to to many violent hits and is just not tenable for a full NFL season..