Say what you will, but Tebow freaking wins.

[EagleKeeper]

Since taking over for the Broncos Tebow averages 10.7 completions on 22 attempts (48.5%) for 142 yards, 1.2TD, and .22 INT per game with a win % of 77.8%.

Since taking over for the Texans Yates averages 15.3 completions on 28 attempts (54.8%) for 186 yards, 1TD, and .33 INT per game with a win % of 100%.

Tebow was a 1st rounder who is now playing because the coach got him ready and put him in.
Yates was a 5th rounder who is now playing because the starter and backup were both injured.

Yet somehow Tebow is the big story here...

Possibly because the Texans were not heading for the cellar of their division.
The Bronco's were.

 

[a123456]

Since taking over for the Broncos Tebow averages 10.7 completions on 22 attempts (48.5%) for 142 yards, 1.2TD, and .22 INT per game with a win % of 77.8%.

Since taking over for the Texans Yates averages 15.3 completions on 28 attempts (54.8%) for 186 yards, 1TD, and .33 INT per game with a win % of 100%.

Tebow was a 1st rounder who is now playing because the coach got him ready and put him in.
Yates was a 5th rounder who is now playing because the starter and backup were both injured.

Yet somehow Tebow is the big story here...

That's true. To be fair, Tebow has a couple things going for him. Slightly larger sample size and also the record going into the experiment (1-4 vs 8-3ish, I forget). So Houston was a better overall team than the Broncos. Yates has looked really good, though, with some of the throws that he's making.

 

[sactoking]

Possibly because the Texans were not heading for the cellar of their division.
The Bronco's were.

Except that Houston has the league's second best rushing offense and best overall defense and since Tebow took over Denver has had the league's best rushing offense and second best overall defense.

My prior post was a trap to get someone to say something other than "Anyone can succeed with a top-2 rushing game and a top-2 defense." Just look at SF: they've been bad and Alex Smith has been a disaster yet this year they have a top-10 running game and a top-5 defense and now Smith looks like a winner despite the fact that they're one of the worst teams in the red zone and one of the lowest-scoring teams.

 

[AMDZen]

 

[BoomerD]

Tebow and the Denver Donkeys need to play the Steelers. Let Harrison introduce Tebow to God personally...

 

[Perknose]

Yet somehow Tebow is the big story here...

The British won nearly every major battle during our Revolutionary War, yet somehow George Washington ended up being the big story here.

Brit CINC General William Howe had a far better winning percentage, yet even in his own country there's a relative dearth of "Howe slept here" plaques.

It's all about Winning. Just ask Charlie Sheen.

I'm not convinced Tebow is the Second Coming -- What rough beast, its hour come round at last / Slouches towards the end zone to score? -- heck, I'm not yet close to being convinced he'll have an ongoing career as a full time starting NFL QB, but dayum, this is getting fun to watch . . . and pontificate about! :hmm:

One thing for sure: If the Denver Tebows somehow make it to the Superbowl, that game will get its highest ratings ever, and I'll be right there, just throwing down those nachos and beer and bellowing at the screen. :biggrin:

 

[rasczak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zMK9FKMG3Nc

lmao

 

[EagleKeeper]

The British won nearly every major battle during our Revolutionary War, yet somehow George Washington ended up being the big story here.

Brit CINC General William Howe had a far better winning percentage, yet even in his own country there's a relative dearth of "Howe slept here" plaques.

It's all about Winning. Just ask Charlie Sheen.

I'm not convinced Tebow is the Second Coming -- What rough beast, its hour come round at last / Slouches towards the end zone to score? -- heck, I'm not yet close to being convinced he'll have an ongoing career as a full time starting NFL QB, but dayum, this is getting fun to watch . . . and pontificate about! :hmm:

One thing for sure: If the Denver Tebows somehow make it to the Superbowl, that game will get its highest ratings ever, and I'll be right there, just throwing down those nachos and beer and bellowing at the screen. :biggrin:

Denver vs Philly - two longshots :biggrin:

 

[Perknose]

Denver vs Philly - two longshots :biggrin:

Lol, if that somehow came to pass, so many heads would explode it would be an environmental disaster!

Literal mirror opposites, dog vs God: The dog killing devil vs the God praising savior. D:

Bitter Dallas and NY haterfanz would be jumping off of rooftops to their deaths.

That alone would be worth it.

 

[CPA]

The British won nearly every major battle during our Revolutionary War, yet somehow George Washington ended up being the big story here.

Brit CINC General William Howe had a far better winning percentage, yet even in his own country there's a relative dearth of "Howe slept here" plaques.

eh, not sure I agree with that if you look at the major battles. Yes, he won at New York, but he lost at Boston and Trenton. He won a bunch of small skirmishes, but nothing to write home about.

 

[Muse]

Did he win again Sunday? He had winner written all over him since his days at Florida. Yeah, option QBs add another dimension to an offense. They are prone to injury, look what happened to Jason Campbell this year and he's not the only QB to get seriously injured running this year. A QB really has to be big and strong to withstand the hits he'll sustain when he runs with the ball.

 

[AstroManLuca]

While they may have been true in the beginning for a lot of us, I think it IS his actual football performance and the amazing results its yielded that are mesmerizing most of us now.

At this point, I could care less about his faith. At this point, for me, it's just a convenient rhetorical hook on which to hang this incredible FOOTBALL run of his.

Agreed. Talking about his faith is just a distraction from the real issue at hand. The real controversy, at least among the football minds of the world, is the disconnect between his apparent abilities (or lack thereof) and the results (7-1). You see this guy who sucks at throwing, making jump passes, throwing screen passes with hangtimes that make punters jealous, MISSING screen passes entirely... and then he all of a sudden transforms into this unstoppable beast in the 4th quarter, playing like an all-pro while the other team makes mistake after unlucky mistake. It makes no sense. It defies explanation. The sports media has absolutely no clue what to make of it.

Looking at his results alone, you wonder why anyone would question his ability... looking at his technique, you wonder why anyone wouldn't question it.

 

[Perknose]

eh, not sure I agree with that if you look at the major battles. Yes, he won at New York, but he lost at Boston and Trenton. He won a bunch of small skirmishes, but nothing to write home about.

Howe beat Washington at Bunker Hill, Long Island, White Plains, Fort Washington, Fort Lee, Brandywine, and he captured both New York City and Philadelphia from him -- fairly major battles all.

Washington won at Dorchester Heights (Boston.) But his victory at Trenton was over the Hessians commanded by German Colonel Jonathan Rall. Howe was not there and not involved.

I live less than 20 minutes from where Washington crossed the Delaware to attack Trenton. There are places all around me proudly proclaiming "Washington slept here." Where I live is suffused with the history of the Revolutionary War.

Sorry, but no matter how you wish to look at it, Howe had a better winning percentage than Washington.

 

[BudAshes]

Howe beat Washington at Bunker Hill, Long Island, White Plains, Fort Washington, Fort Lee, Brandywine, and he captured both New York City and Philadelphia from him -- fairly major battles all.

Washington won at Dorchester Heights (Boston.) But his victory at Trenton was over the Hessians commanded by German Colonel Jonathan Rall. Howe was not there and not involved.

I live less than 20 minutes from where Washington crossed the Delaware to attack Trenton. There are places all around me proudly proclaiming "Washington slept here." Where I live is suffused with the history of the Revolutionary War.

Sorry, but no matter how you wish to look at it, Howe had a better winning percentage than Washington.

Bad mouthing the original GW? You effing commie!

:biggrin:

 

[angminas]

In all honesty, Orton would have easily won four of those games that Tebow is getting glory for (Dolphins, Raiders, Chiefs, Jets).

If Orton could be relied on to win games he should win, he would not have been benched, and this thread wouldn't even exist.

 

[CPA]

Howe beat Washington at Bunker Hill, Long Island, White Plains, Fort Washington, Fort Lee, Brandywine, and he captured both New York City and Philadelphia from him -- fairly major battles all.

Washington won at Dorchester Heights (Boston.) But his victory at Trenton was over the Hessians commanded by German Colonel Jonathan Rall. Howe was not there and not involved.

I live less than 20 minutes from where Washington crossed the Delaware to attack Trenton. There are places all around me proudly proclaiming "Washington slept here." Where I live is suffused with the history of the Revolutionary War.

Sorry, but no matter how you wish to look at it, Howe had a better winning percentage than Washington.

I didn't consider Bunker Hill, well because Washington wasn't apart of the Bunker Hill battle. In fact, he wasn't Commander-in-Chief until a couple weeks after the battle, IIRC. Also the Brits lost twice as many troops as the colonies, along with a ton of officers. Yeah, they got the land, but at a much greater cost.

As for the others you mentioned, they really should be A) considered part of the overall battle for New York City and B) considered strategic withdrawals by Washington more than battles themselves.

And I realize that Trenton was against the Krauts, but they were under the ultimate command of Howe.

 

[TheAdvocate]

with the way that defense has been playing, any QB who doesnt turn the ball over, and can manage to string together 2 scoring drives per game, can win. This is just a higher profile Trent Dilfer on the SB Baltimore team.

Tebow makes something easy look harder than it really is.

 

[a123456]

with the way that defense has been playing, any QB who doesnt turn the ball over, and can manage to string together 2 scoring drives per game, can win. This is just a higher profile Trent Dilfer on the SB Baltimore team.

Tebow makes something easy look harder than it really is.

Well, yeah. You don't have to put up good numbers to win a SB or even make the Hall of Fame. You just have to be wildly popular. See Joe Namath who ended with a QB rating of 65.

Dilfer and Brad Johnson are the 2 easiest examples of QBs who won a SB but no one's going to call them better than Marino even though they just won games. That seems to be the biggest argument against W-L as a factor since football is one of the least individualistic sports. Just look at the number of big endorsements compared to basketball or baseball.

That said, chemistry and emotion are huge factors in football and I think it's safe to say that Tebow is helping to inspire his teammates to play better somehow. The defense is playing better than the first 5 games, however that's happening.

I don't know if he's causing bad fortune to opponents but who knows what's going on if Brady sprains his ankle getting out of the car on Friday. Or if Welker is running down the side for a game winning TD only to have a ref trip him up accidentally.

Heads will also explode if he meets Alex Smith in the SB.

 

[Sephire]

Tebow got a girlfriend?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Howe beat Washington at Bunker Hill, Long Island, White Plains, Fort Washington, Fort Lee, Brandywine, and he captured both New York City and Philadelphia from him -- fairly major battles all.

Washington won at Dorchester Heights (Boston.) But his victory at Trenton was over the Hessians commanded by German Colonel Jonathan Rall. Howe was not there and not involved.

I live less than 20 minutes from where Washington crossed the Delaware to attack Trenton. There are places all around me proudly proclaiming "Washington slept here." Where I live is suffused with the history of the Revolutionary War.

Sorry, but no matter how you wish to look at it, Howe had a better winning percentage than Washington.

Bunker Hill was not even a battle.

On June 17, 1775, American troops displayed their mettle in the Battle of Bunker Hill during the siege of Boston, inflicting casualties on nearly half of the British troops dispatched to secure Breed's Hill (the actual site of the battle).

It was Breeds Hill where the actual fighting took place.

Five thousand British troops under the command of General Gage stormed Breed's Hill, where colonial soldiers were encamped. In their fourth charge up the hillside, the British took the hill from the rebels, who had run out of ammunition. The last rebels left on the hill evaded capture by the British, thanks to the heroic efforts of Peter Salem, an African-American soldier who mortally wounded the British commanding officer who led the last charge.

After suffering 1,000 casualties during their charges on Breed's Hill, the British discontinued their assaults on rebel strongholds in Boston. When George Washington assumed command of colonial forces two weeks later, he garnered ammunition for Boston troops and secured Dorchester Heights and Bunker Hill.

Neither Howe nor Washington were there at the time.

Amateur Historians.

Reference Link


/disclaimer
Grew up in the local area and participated in Lexington/Concord Minuteman marches as well as the Breed Hill re-enactments

 

[EagleKeeper]

Tebow got a girlfriend?

She is denying it at this point.

Claiming to be a family friend from 3-4 years ago.

 

[AMDZen]

Tebow got a girlfriend?

That guy's an idiot

She is denying it at this point.

Claiming to be a family friend from 3-4 years ago.

She doesn't need to deny it, those pictures are all from his college career and everyone knows who she is who has paid any attention

 

[DisturbedRamm]

Tebow is nothing but a fraud, every game they have won has been pure luck, it won't last I guarantee it

 

[BudAshes]

I love tebow because people hate him so much for no reason. It's fantastic.

 

[Cuda1447]

Tebow is nothing but a fraud, every game they have won has been pure luck, it won't last I guarantee it

You're a freaking idiot.


Has he had some luck, sure. Is he a fraud? No. He won those games. HE made those drives late in those games. It actually happened. As far as it not lasting, well I'm glad you guaranteed it....because that means a hell of a lot. Even if he losses the last 3 games of the year... he still did SIGNIFICANTLY better than Orton and I would call his season a success for a 2nd year QB.