Capt Caveman
Lifer
Yep, 3 Superbowls to 1, no contest.
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Say what you will, but Brady freaking wins!
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Yep, 3 Superbowls to 1, no contest.
Gibson486
Lifer
How did this turn into Manning vs Brady? Enjoy it while you can. Both are elite. Out of college, yeah, Manning was better, but at each of their prime, they are equally good. Brady worked to get where he is, but it seems Manning is a natural at it.
The whole team record without them at the helm is stupid. It just says how how the team is built. Colts are just, "Let Manning do it" That is the game plan from the coaching. If anything, it tells you how bad the coaching staff is. Also, how do you know that if Manning did play, that they would still make the playoffs? You don't. The Colts without Manning, are a mediocre at best team with a bad coach. The Pats, without Brady in 08, were better than mediocre. They had a decent D, and they had randy Moss in his prime with Welker.
In both cases, if you face them, the game plan is, "Get to the QB".
The whole team record without them at the helm is stupid. It just says how how the team is built. Colts are just, "Let Manning do it" That is the game plan from the coaching. If anything, it tells you how bad the coaching staff is. Also, how do you know that if Manning did play, that they would still make the playoffs? You don't. The Colts without Manning, are a mediocre at best team with a bad coach. The Pats, without Brady in 08, were better than mediocre. They had a decent D, and they had randy Moss in his prime with Welker.
In both cases, if you face them, the game plan is, "Get to the QB".
Jeffg010
Diamond Member
With Brady you have to play very tight coverage because all he does is short fast timing passes. He is the best and most accurate passer in the game. It is very hard to stop this type of play if both the passer and receivers are in sync and Brady makes sure everyone is on page.
Manning on the other hand is like the best poker player in the world. He can read the defense and knows when to change the play to exploit the coverage. Just like the best poker players that can read everyone sitting at the table. Manning knows what is going to happen before the play even happens and that makes him look like a genus.
The play style of Brady is much harder to defend against. You have have to have very good coverage guys and any weak link to that and you are going to have very hard time.
Manning on the other hand is much easier to defend against. At times you can see manning forcing plays to try and win. He will guess wrong and last season just show that. Stopping Brady's fast timing passes is sometime imposable because you just don't have enough guys that can cover all the receivers.
Steelers did it the best they played tight coverage and kept Brady off the field. That is how you beat him. Good luck to these weak defenses they won't stand a chance.
Manning on the other hand is like the best poker player in the world. He can read the defense and knows when to change the play to exploit the coverage. Just like the best poker players that can read everyone sitting at the table. Manning knows what is going to happen before the play even happens and that makes him look like a genus.
The play style of Brady is much harder to defend against. You have have to have very good coverage guys and any weak link to that and you are going to have very hard time.
Manning on the other hand is much easier to defend against. At times you can see manning forcing plays to try and win. He will guess wrong and last season just show that. Stopping Brady's fast timing passes is sometime imposable because you just don't have enough guys that can cover all the receivers.
Steelers did it the best they played tight coverage and kept Brady off the field. That is how you beat him. Good luck to these weak defenses they won't stand a chance.
Gibson486
Lifer
Both Brady and Manning read defenses like no other and they both are very accurate passers...
IndyColtsFan
Lifer
Really? So Brady won them all by himself? He has his defense and Adam V to thank.
IndyColtsFan
Lifer
Manning is in a different league than Brady. And it isn't even close. Even the talking heads finally admitted it this year.
rh71
No Lifer
I don't follow football nor any teams in particular, and even that much is obvious to start a thread with a mock title on it.
Gigantopithecus
Diamond Member
Are you referring to Brady being in the NFL and Manning playing in a hospital league?
Manning is a better QB than Brady, much like $1,000,100 is better than $1,000,000 - they're both so good, if you can't win with them, you're doing it wrong. Like the Colts organization has his entire career save one season.
Oh, well that certainly settles that! 🙄
Zstream
Diamond Member
I love how the packers get routed but the Bronco's and Tebow are regulated to crap.
Regardless what anyone says, Brady had an awesome game along with Manning. Tim Tebow is basically a ROOKIE when it comes to being a QB with a coach and GM against him the entire way. I'm not here to defend Tebow nor here to start a controversy. I'm just sick and tired of people kicking Tebow when he's down when he brought a terrible team to the playoffs. You see what happens when a good team who played poorly or equal to the Bronco's does? They get blown out regardless of how Rodgers played. Imagine being a QB, regulated to fourth string, coming in when the team is 1-4 and you bring them to the playoffs?
Tim Tebow is not AR or TB. However, he brought a poor team to the playoffs and won a game. I'd take that over most of my favorite teams season.
/RANT
Regardless what anyone says, Brady had an awesome game along with Manning. Tim Tebow is basically a ROOKIE when it comes to being a QB with a coach and GM against him the entire way. I'm not here to defend Tebow nor here to start a controversy. I'm just sick and tired of people kicking Tebow when he's down when he brought a terrible team to the playoffs. You see what happens when a good team who played poorly or equal to the Bronco's does? They get blown out regardless of how Rodgers played. Imagine being a QB, regulated to fourth string, coming in when the team is 1-4 and you bring them to the playoffs?
Tim Tebow is not AR or TB. However, he brought a poor team to the playoffs and won a game. I'd take that over most of my favorite teams season.
/RANT
billbobaggins87
Senior member
I just love to see the tebow lovers reactions. and im a fan of tebow, i think he is a good player with a TON of potential. However him being put up on the pedestal is abit ridiculous. I mean common its great to root for the guy but it got ridiculous.
No, he didn't - the defense kept them in those games because of his turnovers or lack of productivity.
Hahahahaha
Whew, ok ... uh, Eli is *earning* his elite status. IF he goes all the way this year and is carrying the Lombardi, then yes he can be grouped with Brady, Peyton, Ben & Brees. Unfortunately for him, he's been widely inconsistent in the regular season, and outside of that one year they made it to the SB, he hasn't been that stellar in the post season until now.
Hacp
Lifer
He's thrown for 4000 yards or better the last 3 seasons. This season, he was almost at 5000. He makes receivers like victor cruz (undrafted) look like pro-bowl material.
darkswordsman17
Lifer
That's the thing. Its not kicking him when he's down when he's played this way all season and plenty of the people have been saying the same thing the entire time.
You also need to learn what blowout is. The Broncos got blown out. The Packers got outplayed and handily beat (their margin of defeat was half what the Broncos' was FFS). Rodgers had nowhere close to the game Tebow had. I don't know if Rodgers has ever had a game where he played that poorly. The fact that you even tried to compare them shows how completely stupid your rant is.
Yeah, the coach was against him, that's why he had them modify the offense specifically for Tebow. Try knowing WTF you're talking about.
If it wasn't for morons trying to praise Tebow when he put pretty much the same mediocre play on the field and gave him credit instead of the defense then it wouldn't even seem like anyone's "kicking him when he's down", and guess what, posts like yours is exactly what is doing it. You act like he had one down game after playing his mind out. He's played similarly to how he played yesterday all season long. But of course it was Tebow that got the Broncos to the playoffs and not say Von Miller who was having Defensive Player Of The Year caliber season as an actual rookie.
During the last few seasons, here's his TD-Int:
'09 - 27-14
'10 - 31-25
'11 - 29-16
Team's Record:
'09 - 8-8
'10 - 10-6
'11 - 9-7
He's 4-3 in the post-season, with those 4 wins coming the year he went to the Superbowl and won. He's had 3 other seasons of going 0-1.
Also, Cruz might have gone undrafted, but he had high expectations, even last year before his injury. Cruz could play for any number of QBs and still look as good as he does, period. Do you want to go into the unknown WRs that Rodgers, Ben, Brady and Brees have been throwing to? Hell, before you answer that:
During the last few seasons, here is Brady's TD-Int:
'09 - 28-13
'10 - 36-4
'11 - 39-12
Team's Record:
'09 - 10-6
'10 - 14-2
'11 - 13-3
Keep in mind that Brady has been doing this with next to no defense, with 11th ('09), 25th ('10), 31 ('11) defensive rankings.
Eli's teams are as follows - 13th ('09), 7th ('10), 27 ('11) - and if you keep in mind that the injuries they had this year have kept them pretty low until the end of the season when they allowed 10, 14 and 14 points in their last 3 games, with blowouts to the Saints, Packers and Cowboys (all teams with top offenses in the game.) 11 of the Patriots games all had opponents scoring over 20 points per game this season.
TheSlamma
Diamond Member
all by 3 points.. sounds like the kicker needs some cred
darkswordsman17
Lifer
I personally don't put Roethlisberger in even the 2nd tier. Him and Philip Rivers are in a third tier (along with Eli).
Ben can play great, but his first ring he really doesn't deserve much credit for, and he's relied on that defense to carry them plenty. He has stepped up in big games, which is why he is definitely in the top quarter.
Rivers has not really accomplished much so far. Until this year, I'd say that wasn't even really his fault, but he's taken a step back this year.
Eli is like Ben. They've actually been a liability to their teams a fair amount, but they both have improved and gotten consistently good. At least Eli did this year.
I think there's a pretty big fall off from these 7 guys (Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Eli, and Rivers).
No he is not a tier above Brady and Rodgers. If he wins the Super Bowl this year, I'd say he deserves to be mentioned alongside Brees and Rodgers. He's still not to Brady or Peyton level though. He's got to be more consistent before then. That's what sets his brother and Brady apart, they've been playing well for a decade. These other guys have not even been in the league that long so they really can't even be put there yet. They very well might end up surpassing them, but we'll have to see.
We might be finally seeing Eli turn elite, but you have to be kidding that you think he's above Brady and Rodgers.
Yes and he lost as many games for the Giants last year as he helped win. He's had a bad habit in his career of turnovers that kill the Giants (pick sixes and fumbling in the Giants territory).
Ben can play great, but his first ring he really doesn't deserve much credit for, and he's relied on that defense to carry them plenty. He has stepped up in big games, which is why he is definitely in the top quarter.
Rivers has not really accomplished much so far. Until this year, I'd say that wasn't even really his fault, but he's taken a step back this year.
Eli is like Ben. They've actually been a liability to their teams a fair amount, but they both have improved and gotten consistently good. At least Eli did this year.
I think there's a pretty big fall off from these 7 guys (Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Eli, and Rivers).
No he is not a tier above Brady and Rodgers. If he wins the Super Bowl this year, I'd say he deserves to be mentioned alongside Brees and Rodgers. He's still not to Brady or Peyton level though. He's got to be more consistent before then. That's what sets his brother and Brady apart, they've been playing well for a decade. These other guys have not even been in the league that long so they really can't even be put there yet. They very well might end up surpassing them, but we'll have to see.
We might be finally seeing Eli turn elite, but you have to be kidding that you think he's above Brady and Rodgers.
Yes and he lost as many games for the Giants last year as he helped win. He's had a bad habit in his career of turnovers that kill the Giants (pick sixes and fumbling in the Giants territory).
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