M: This is a form of self flattery. I have been running around cooking a beef stir fry and paying bills so I will have some time to play a game later and naturally help you see what you so far are unable to. I pop in, as it were, from the dark side of the Moon, and surprise you with fact you don't understand and the minute I announce some fact like this, I suddenly become angry. Hehehe I have long and extensive experience with this kind of anger.
If you're not angry, then why do you keep using angry words? While accusing me of being angry, when I do not?
Does this make any sort of sense to you? It does not to me, and probably not to anyone else here either.
We are born perfect and in a state of oneness, no ego self to divide us from feeling we are everything that there is. We are born in a God state but we can have it taken away because we do not have consciousness that has separated from God and returned. We were born with an infinite potential to love and were killed. It is the programming that separated us from God, the acquisition of language and the inculcation of emotion into words, the belief there is good and evil and then that happy day when we were told we are worthless, that we are evil, etc, the day we rejected our true self. The day we recover that state of oneness is the day we remember God.
Sorry, but every bit of that pseudo-mystical hokum is itself programming.
Babies are born as blank slates. They get taught silly nonsense about gods and "consciousness that has separated from God" and all the similar rot.
Yes but deprogrammed from belief in a bridge. A deprogrammed atheist is a Knower of God.
So now you're back to pretending that atheism is a religion. It's not.
Atheists, by definition, are not programmed. They are open to assessing and evaluating anything, provided it is supported by
evidence and
reasoning.
The "God" you think you "Know" is a fabrication of your own desires.
I am just such an atheist.
Of course you are.
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The question, again, is, could there be a state, one I call oneness, in which one knows the real meaning of God, one for which there may be electrical evidence of in brain scans, or one that releases this or that chemical, but which can be know as an experience only by having it?
Could there be such a state? Sure, show me the evidence.
I'm not going to take your word for it, nor the word of any other religious/mystic types, none of whom can seem to agree on what this alleged "state" even is.
CK: Again, another mischaracterization. Most atheists do not ever claim to be "free from logical error". They are open to reassessing their views based on emergent evidence and reasoning.
M: I've noticed.
Then why did you make your previous comment?
No I told you what you need and instead of thinking about it you tried to turn it back on me. You, in your arrogance simply spit on the advise.
Actually, I did think about it. And I quickly realized that it was self-contradictory.
I didn't spit on the advice. It spit on itself, by decrying arrogance while at the same time engaging in perhaps the greatest form of arrogance possible.
I told you that you lack humility and you say I am arrogant to tell you.
You told me I lack humility while expressing a profound lack of humility.
Advice that the advice-taker cannot follow himself is not likely to be of any great value, much less "truth".
Then it should apply because both are religious.
You've just confirmed that you do not understand atheism.
The problem is comes when you are what you describe and think you are not.
A perfect description of what you said prior about people who think they "know" about gods.
Certainty accompanied by the absence of self knowledge is the issue for me.
But, as we've already established, you only have an "issue" with other people's certainty.
Yours is not to be questioned.
Funny how it always works out that way.
