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60 years for someone to write about him is a long time. That's where my skepticism comes from. I'm not going to keep repeating myself. I think that based on all his miracles, his immaculate conception, his ascension to heaven, and all the angels flying around that it's not that much of a stretch to expect someone, ANYONE, to write about the man during his lifetime.

60 years was 2-3 generations back then. It took several generations for someone to write about him.
 
randomrogue said:
60 years for someone to write about him is a long time. That's where my skepticism comes from. I'm not going to keep repeating myself. I think that based on all his miracles, his immaculate conception, his ascension to heaven, and all the angels flying around that it's not that much of a stretch to expect someone, ANYONE, to write about the man during his lifetime.

60 years was 2-3 generations back then. It took several generations for someone to write about him.
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60 years?

Mark was written AD 60-70...Jesus died AD 30-36. That gives a best guess range of Mark being written 24-40 years after his death.

Edit: BTW his ministry started 3 years before he was crucified. He was a "nobody" for most of his life.
 
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Using the Bible as proof of Jesus is circular logic. If you're not sure about that just apply it to Harry Potter or Hamlet.

The first Historian to document Jesus was 60 years later. He was born after his death. Historians that were present during Jesus' life never mentioned him. Philo had 17 years after Jesus' death to write something and he never did.

The argument used in favor of the existance of Jesus is primarily based on 2 historians. One was a Roman politician named Tacitius who was born 23 years after Jesus died and the other is Josephus Flavius who was the first one and was born 4 years after Jesus died. Basically the Gospels were released and THEN people started talking about Jesus. Nobody independently mentioned Jesus.
 
So, the only "evidence" that Jesus actually performed miracles and did other supernatural things is vague claims by his contemporaries that he performed "sorcery"?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. That is neither proof nor extraordinary.
 
randomrogue said:
Using the Bible as proof of Jesus is circular logic. If you're not sure about that just apply it to Harry Potter or Hamlet.

The first Historian to document Jesus was 60 years later. He was born after his death. Historians that were present during Jesus' life never mentioned him. Philo had 17 years after Jesus' death to write something and he never did.

The argument used in favor of the existance of Jesus is primarily based on 2 historians. One was a Roman politician named Tacitius who was born 23 years after Jesus died and the other is Josephus Flavius who was the first one and was born 4 years after Jesus died. Basically the Gospels were released and THEN people started talking about Jesus. Nobody independently mentioned Jesus.
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See Post #949. The experts believe he existed. You apparently want to believe otherwise....looks like this is a personal problem to me.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
See Post #949. The experts believe he existed. You apparently want to believe otherwise....looks like this is a personal problem to me.
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Exactly! But I guess he knows more. Saying something is false doesn't make it false.

If he wants to disagree with the bible's account, that's fine, but to deny his existence is rife with illogical, irrational behavior.
 
I have common sense. I ask the big questions.

Up above I mentioned that one thing you see is the recycling of previous religions upon the implementation of a new one. Here's something interesting:

Egyptian God Osiris:
Virgin Born
3 wise men announced his birth
Died and resurrected
His body represented by wheat cakes eaten by followers

Greek God Dionysus
Virgin Born on Winter Solstice
Star appeared above when he was born
Half Human-Half God
Died and resurrected

Phrygian/Greek God Attis
Virgin Born on Winter Solstice
Died to save humanity
Crucified
His body represented by bread eaten by followers
Resurrected at Vernal Equinox

Iranian/Mesopotamian/Zoroastrian God Mithra
Virgin born on Winter Solstice
3 wise men announced his birth
Performed miracles such as walking on water, curing disease, and exorcising demons
Had 12 apostles
Had a last supper
Died to save humanity
Resurrected
Ascended to heaven
Will return to judge mankind

There are others that fit this as well but I'm just picking a couple of the predominant religions of the time that were suppressed by Christianity.

Regardless of your religious beliefs I would actually recommend reading up on other creation myths since they're very interesting and might actually open your eyes to ask more questions rather than just accepting a book as real and your religion as the one true religion. Native American, Egyptian, Greek, etc. You'll get frustrated at the similarities but it'll be good for your soul.
 
randomrogue said:
I have common sense. I ask the big questions.

Up above I mentioned that one thing you see is the recycling of previous religions upon the implementation of a new one. Here's something interesting:

Egyptian God Osiris:
Virgin Born
3 wise men announced his birth
Died and resurrected
His body represented by wheat cakes eaten by followers

Greek God Dionysus
Virgin Born on Winter Solstice
Star appeared above when he was born
Half Human-Half God
Died and resurrected

Phrygian/Greek God Attis
Virgin Born on Winter Solstice
Died to save humanity
Crucified
His body represented by bread eaten by followers
Resurrected at Vernal Equinox

Iranian/Mesopotamian/Zoroastrian God Mithra
Virgin born on Winter Solstice
3 wise men announced his birth
Performed miracles such as walking on water, curing disease, and exorcising demons
Had 12 apostles
Had a last supper
Died to save humanity
Resurrected
Ascended to heaven
Will return to judge mankind

There are others that fit this as well but I'm just picking a couple of the predominant religions of the time that were suppressed by Christianity.

Regardless of your religious beliefs I would actually recommend reading up on other creation myths since they're very interesting and might actually open your eyes to ask more questions rather than just accepting a book as real and your religion as the one true religion. Native American, Egyptian, Greek, etc. You'll get frustrated at the similarities but it'll be good for your soul.
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I tried arguing these facts with the Rightists in here but guess what....it didn't work. 😉
 
I love how the religious people in this thread just counter with "no", "you don't know what you're talking about", and "You're going to hell"
 
randomrogue said:
I have common sense. I ask the big questions.

Up above I mentioned that one thing you see is the recycling of previous religions upon the implementation of a new one. Here's something interesting:

Egyptian God Osiris:
Virgin Born
3 wise men announced his birth
Died and resurrected
His body represented by wheat cakes eaten by followers

Greek God Dionysus
Virgin Born on Winter Solstice
Star appeared above when he was born
Half Human-Half God
Died and resurrected

Phrygian/Greek God Attis
Virgin Born on Winter Solstice
Died to save humanity
Crucified
His body represented by bread eaten by followers
Resurrected at Vernal Equinox

Iranian/Mesopotamian/Zoroastrian God Mithra
Virgin born on Winter Solstice
3 wise men announced his birth
Performed miracles such as walking on water, curing disease, and exorcising demons
Had 12 apostles
Had a last supper
Died to save humanity
Resurrected
Ascended to heaven
Will return to judge mankind

There are others that fit this as well but I'm just picking a couple of the predominant religions of the time that were suppressed by Christianity.

Regardless of your religious beliefs I would actually recommend reading up on other creation myths since they're very interesting and might actually open your eyes to ask more questions rather than just accepting a book as real and your religion as the one true religion. Native American, Egyptian, Greek, etc. You'll get frustrated at the similarities but it'll be good for your soul.
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If the early Christians spotted a fake, they were right by weeding it out... or trying to anyway.

Many of us came to our conclusions becasue we've studied other religions/gods, but we simply do not have enough time to study up on the tens of thousands different gods/religions out there to come to a conclusion.

I would say the best way to spot a fake is to watch the people participating in said worship, then go from there.

You don't spot counterfiet money by studying conterfiet money, you spot conterfiet money by studying real money, for instance.
 
Rob M. said:
If the early Christians spotted a fake, they were right by weeding it out... or trying to anyway.

Many of us came to our conclusions becasue we've studied other religions/gods, but we simply do not have enough time to study up on the tens of thousands different gods/religions out there to come to a conclusion.

I would say the best way to spot a fake is to watch the people participating in said worship, then go from there.

You don't spot counterfiet money by studying conterfiet money, you spot conterfiet money by studying real money, for instance.
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So now the way another religion worships determines if it's fake? Pot calling the kettle black...
 
randomrogue said:
I have common sense. I ask the big questions.

Up above I mentioned that one thing you see is the recycling of previous religions upon the implementation of a new one. Here's something interesting:

Egyptian God Osiris:
Virgin Born
3 wise men announced his birth
Died and resurrected
His body represented by wheat cakes eaten by followers

Greek God Dionysus
Virgin Born on Winter Solstice
Star appeared above when he was born
Half Human-Half God
Died and resurrected

Phrygian/Greek God Attis
Virgin Born on Winter Solstice
Died to save humanity
Crucified
His body represented by bread eaten by followers
Resurrected at Vernal Equinox

Iranian/Mesopotamian/Zoroastrian God Mithra
Virgin born on Winter Solstice
3 wise men announced his birth
Performed miracles such as walking on water, curing disease, and exorcising demons
Had 12 apostles
Had a last supper
Died to save humanity
Resurrected
Ascended to heaven
Will return to judge mankind

There are others that fit this as well but I'm just picking a couple of the predominant religions of the time that were suppressed by Christianity.

Regardless of your religious beliefs I would actually recommend reading up on other creation myths since they're very interesting and might actually open your eyes to ask more questions rather than just accepting a book as real and your religion as the one true religion. Native American, Egyptian, Greek, etc. You'll get frustrated at the similarities but it'll be good for your soul.
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These FACTs above are the biggest slap to any religion and Christanity in this particular case. What a rip off of a religion. Not original at all.
 
Juddog said:
So now the way another religion worships determines if it's fake? Pot calling the kettle black...
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Yep.

If you were dating someone and they tell you one thing, but you observe them to determine if they're being honest and you see that they're not, what does that tell you?
 
Rob read up on Mithra. That was a huge religion and it pretty much survived up until the 200's iirc in Rome. If you read up on just that one God it is almost 100% identical to Jesus and Christianity.

I don't know how you can say that it's fake when it's exactly like Christianity.
 
randomrogue said:
Rob read up on Mithra. That was a huge religion and it pretty much survived up until the 200's iirc in Rome. If you read up on just that one God it is almost 100% identical to Jesus and Christianity.

I don't know how you can say that it's fake when it's exactly like Christianity.
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Honestly so? Shall I accept a fake $20 bill because it closely resembles the real thing?

It didn't last, according to what you said, so while I don't mind reading up on it, I don't think it had the authentic marks to survive.
 
soulcougher73 said:
Not really. It requires knowledge of language and how to read, but not much critical thinking.
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I will afford you that, but will add this:

Does it not take critical thinking skills to separate truth from falsehood? When compiling the cannon of scripture, those who saw Jesus live were in a much better position to determine truth from falsehood... much better than we will ever be nowadays.
 
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