Saw this question on r/atheism today.

[FelixDeCat]

In other words you see what you want to see, got it.

Dont we all see what we want to see on occasion? But here is something else you should "get" from what I said, not all news is good. The Bible is a source of news (both good and bad for us sinners). Like I said before, Im not perfect and Jesus sets us straight back on the path to Heaven if we care to listen. They let me know when they are unhappy with something.

Just look at the criminals in jail. Their guardian angels pray for them all the time. Some were warned and did not heed it, and now they must pay. Thankfully some will turn their lives around and turn back to Jesus.

 

[Juddog]

Dont we all see what we want to see on occasion? But here is something else you should "get" from what I said, not all news is good. The FSM guide is a source of news (both good and bad for us pasta eaters). Like I said before, Im not perfect and the FSM sets us straight back on the path to Pasta Sauce if we care to listen. They let me know when they are unhappy with something.

Just look at the criminals in jail. Their pastafarians pray for them all the time. Some were warned and did not heed it, and now they must pay. Thankfully some will turn their lives around and turn back to the FSM

Fixed that for you.

 

[Juddog]

LOL NO I admitted to nothing . You still let it fly over your head . Harod dies 4 BC The Roman emperior Who was in power at Christ Death came to power in 3AD / Both were alive and in power at christ death .

Roman 3 AD Jew builder 4 bc 4 from 3 = -1 year since 4 is in BC We can subtract 1 year from present date . This is the year 2012.They do not deny there may have been an error . LOL . They new exactly what they were doing It gets way better around 1492

This is the year 2013, not 2012. You are off.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Why is it that you note the mote in his eye, oh never mind, I have a different question. To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them:

Those who know the truth, do they contend in the market place of ideas? Do we take arms against the blind or do we surrender. What is it that drives us to ask? Why do we want others to know what they do not and maybe even cannot because they are blind? And after the question of should or shouldn't there's the question of how. How does one go about sighting the blind? I have a suspicion one should feel no need, conscious or otherwise.

Am I taking "arms against the blind" by saying that their ego may be affecting their rationality? All I can hope for is that he takes a second or two to think about it.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Am I taking "arms against the blind" by saying that their ego may be affecting their rationality? All I can hope for is that he takes a second or two to think about it.

Of course anyone can slip into irrationality. The warning just rings hollow when it comes from people who base their belief system on something inherently and constantly irrational.

 

[Nemesis 1]

THE HRCC does not worship Christ as the living god . A lie they tell the fools who follow l THe HRCC is 100% SUN worship . You Doubt . Pope Gregory The calender changer go look at year calender is changed After they have the myan calender. Egypt gave exactly the same info but now we have 2 sources differant sides of World = Church problems. So this is the true reason for the 1 year error, NONE other than this reason . Now find out what reason the church gave they go on and on about EASTER and a resurrection that never happened and they know it . So why realignment of calender . Its all about the birds and the bees and a thing called Spring . SUN WORSHIP ,

1 ) 3 wise men . Go outside you can see them anytime . What are the wisemen following The SUN . On the 21 dec the 3 wisemen seem to stop in the heaven for 3 days as the sun reverses direction acroos the sky toward spring . on Xmas eve The sun starts the journey back to rebirth from Death / It freaken Sun worship you dang fools

 

[Nemesis 1]

This is the year 2013, not 2012. You are off.

We shall see if this is 2013 . You brought up that Herod Died befor Christ birth . Couldn't be further from the true facts . Its is 2012 They can call it what ever they like . I can't wait till nov of this year I am going to love it . Not that the rest of the year is boring because it won't be . Were all going to lose people we love . At the right time I will sugjest to you someone to blame . End game.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

We shall see if this is 2013 . You brought up that Herod Died befor Christ birth . Couldn't be further from the true facts . Its is 2012 They can call it what ever they like . I can't wait till nov of this year I am going to love it . Not that the rest of the year is boring because it won't be . Were all going to lose people we love . At the right time I will sugjest to you someone to blame . End game.

Did you go off your meds?

 

[Retro Rob]

Some examples of contradictions:

* According to Matthew, Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the Great (Matthew 2:1). According to Luke, Jesus was born during the first census in Israel, while Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:2). This is impossible because Herod died in March of 4 BC and the census took place in 6 and 7 AD, about 10 years after Herod's death.

Some Christians try to manipulate the text to mean this was the first census while Quirinius was governor and that the first census of Israel recorded by historians took place later. However, the literal meaning is "this was the first census taken, while Quirinius was governor ..." In any event, Quirinius did not become governor of Syria until well after Herod's death.

* In Matthew, Mark and Luke the last supper takes place on the first day of the Passover (Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12, Luke 22:7). In John's gospel it takes place a day earlier and Jesus is crucified on the first day of the Passover (John 19:14).

* a. Matthew, Mark and Luke say that Jesus was taken directly to the high priest (Matthew 26:57, Mark 14:53 and Luke 22:54).

b. John says that Jesus was taken first to Annas, the father-in-law of the high priest (John 18:13) who, after an indeterminate period of time, sent Jesus to the high priest (John 18:24).

* a. Matthew 27:28, Mark 15:17 and John 19:2 say that after Pilate had Jesus scourged and turned over to his soldiers to be crucified, the soldiers placed a scarlet or purple robe on Jesus as well as a crown of thorns.

b. Luke 23:11, in contradiction to Matthew, Mark and John, says that the robe was placed on Jesus much earlier by Herod and his soldiers. Luke mentions no crown of thorns.

* Who found the empty tomb?

a. According to Matthew 28:1, only "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary."

b. According to Mark 16:1, "Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome."

c. According to Luke 23:55, 24:1 and 24:10, "the women who had come with him out of Galilee." Among these women were "Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James." Luke indicates in verse 24:10 that there were at least two others.

d. According to John 20:1-4, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb alone, saw the stone removed, ran to find Peter, and returned to the tomb with Peter and another disciple.

* Who did they find at the tomb?

a. According to Matthew 28:2-4, an angel of the Lord with an appearance like lightning was sitting on the stone that had been rolled away. Also present were the guards that Pilate had contributed. On the way back from the tomb the women meet Jesus (Matthew 28:9).

b. According to Mark 16:5, a young man in a white robe was sitting inside the tomb.

c. According to Luke 24:4, two men in dazzling apparel. It is not clear if the men were inside the tomb or outside of it.

d. According to John 20:4-14, Mary and Peter and the other disciple initially find just an empty tomb. Peter and the other disciple enter the tomb and find only the wrappings. Then Peter and the other disciple leave and Mary looks in the tomb to find two angels in white. After a short conversation with the angels, Mary turns around to find Jesus.

* Who did the women tell about the empty tomb?

a. According to Mark 16:8, "they said nothing to anyone."

b. According to Matthew 28:8, they "ran to report it to His disciples."

c. According to Luke 24:9, "they reported these things to the eleven and to all the rest."

d. According to John 20:18, Mary Magdalene announces to the disciples that she has seen the Lord.

* The Book of Acts contains three accounts of Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus. All of three accounts contradict each other regarding what happened to Paul's fellow travelers.

1. Acts 9:7 says they "stood speechless, hearing the voice..."

2. Acts 22:9 says they "did not hear the voice..."

3. Acts 26:14 says "when we had all fallen to the ground..."

* When Jesus summons the twelve disciples to send them out to proclaim the kingdom of God, he lists the things the disciples should not take with them.

1. In Matthew 10:9-10 and Luke 9:3-5, a staff is included in the list of things not to take.

2. In contradiction to Matthew and Luke, Mark 6:8 makes a specific exception - the disciples may take a staff.

Ah, you go and Google for a whole batch of scripture (in an attempt to throw something against the wall to see if it sticks) and expect us to prove why they aren't contradictions?!?

LOL!

Stop being lazy, I'm not doing your work for you...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Of course anyone can slip into irrationality. The warning just rings hollow when it comes from people who base their belief system on something inherently and constantly irrational.

Sigh...Moonie was right.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Im becomming disappointed with Juddog. I thought he wanted to converse but instead wants to modify my posts with drivel, fight and argue.

Juddog is a sad little atheist, but not all of them are like that.

 

[Juddog]

Ah, you go and Google for a whole batch of scripture (in an attempt to throw something against the wall to see if it sticks) and expect us to prove why they aren't contradictions?!?

LOL!

Stop being lazy, I'm not doing your work for you...

So instead of addressing the issue, you attack the source (google). You asked, I provided, then you pussied out.

Let's take it the other way - the atheists asked for proof, you pussied out again.

So no matter what happens, you pussy out and can't back up a single thing you said.

 

[Juddog]

Im becomming disappointed with Juddog. I thought he wanted to converse but instead wants to modify my posts with drivel, fight and argue.

Juddog is a sad little atheist, but not all of them are like that.

You already admitted that you change what you read because you see with God's vision or whatever.

To some people, that's known as being psychotic. You're one step away from hearing voices in your head that you claim is the holy spirit.

 

[Juddog]

Look everybody - I found the Bible on google, so that means it's automatically falsified right?
https://www.google.com/search?q=the...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

[Nemesis 1]

Some Christians try to manipulate the text to mean this was the first census while Quirinius was governor and that the first census of Israel recorded by historians took place later. However, the literal meaning is "this was the first census taken, while Quirinius was governor ..." In any event, Quirinius did not become governor of Syria until well after Herod's death.

Revisioniost history . The Story goes that at the time of christ birth there was talk in the land that a messiah was to be born . Herod killed alot of male child that year . and its is the vary reason Harod called for a census . Go away with a story that doesn't fit the theme . I allready explained the 3 wise men not men but stars so the whole story is made up . This same exact story of the christ was told by at least 5 cultures including eygpt. Virgin mother 12 followers performed mircles died and ressurrected . This story is almost 5 ,000 year old . LOL .
Which brings us to the Christ . It doesn't matter who the messenger is but the story has to fit . Christ was the son of julius ceasar A god and Cleopateria another god how remains a virgin even tho she is not . His name Caesarion. SO no messenger? According to how I read scripture yes he was the living word . He is the only one Satan(ROME) could have tempted in the dessert. He is the only one that could be offered the throne of rome and rejected it for a spiritual life . NOT bad for a man who could have it all. He choose well . and is an example for us all

 

[sandorski]

Look everybody - I found the Bible on google, so that means it's automatically falsified right?
https://www.google.com/search?q=the...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

:hmm:

 

[Retro Rob]

So instead of addressing the issue, you attack the source (google). You asked, I provided, then you pussied out.

Let's take it the other way - the atheists asked for proof, you pussied out again.

So no matter what happens, you pussy out and can't back up a single thing you said.

No, I attack you. You claim they're contradictions, well, to satisfy your burden to prove this, I require more than for you to say "ack! it says different [insert passage here] so it has to be a contradiction! Egad!" Bring me some hard evidence, or just leave the discussion.

Secondly, I don't recall asking you for anything.

Lastly, stop being lazy.. use google to quench your innate desire to throw something against a wall in hope that it will stick.

 

[sandorski]

No, I attack you. You claim they're contradictions, well, to satisfy your burden to prove this, I require more than for you to say "ack! it says different [insert passage here] so it has to be a contradiction! Egad!" Bring me some hard evidence, or just leave the discussion.

Secondly, I don't recall asking you for anything.

Lastly, stop being lazy.. use google to quench your innate desire to throw something against a wall in hope that it will stick.

Weak

 

[Charles Kozierok]

This could actually be an interesting discussion if there were even one honest, intelligent theist here to have it with.

All we have so far is a bunch of people who lie and play word games about what's in their own holy book, and a certifiable crackpot.

 

[Nemesis 1]

So whats it all mean This year 2013(2012) I have shown that the Jewish messiah was not born yet . So their rejection is just fine . They follow false god anyway . Our creators . Maybe. That doesn't make them god . The same as a scientist cloning an animal goes not = god . This year we shall meet these gods I don't think we will like them at all. I know we won't they bring with them what cultures around the world called the destroyer . Alot will die really alot .

 

[Retro Rob]

This could actually be an interesting discussion if there were even one honest, intelligent theist here to have it with.

All we have so far is a bunch of people who lie and play word games about what's in their own holy book, and a certifiable crackpot.

But you've ignored my last post addressed to you. The irony...

 

[Charles Kozierok]

But you've ignored my last post addressed to you. The irony...

There ceased being any point in discussing this with you when you deliberately lied about the position of atheists in this thread.

I've tried for months to have a reasonable debate with you, and it always ends with you playing word games to avoid dealing with the difficult issues. Not interested any longer.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You already admitted that you change what you read because you see with God's vision or whatever.

To some people, that's known as being psychotic. You're one step away from hearing voices in your head that you claim is the holy spirit.

I dont not change anything. God does. It is His living word and I have the faith to see it. So can you.

"Hearing" is also a gift. It has been maligned in the media when people use it to justify illegal actions, but it happens all the time. I am made aware of situations that involve my friends, family and anything else God deems necessary for me to know.

 

[Retro Rob]

There ceased being any point in discussing this with you when you deliberately lied about the position of atheists in this thread.

I've tried for months to have a reasonable debate with you, and it always ends with you playing word games to avoid dealing with the difficult issues. Not interested any longer.

In other words, you can't refute it. K cool.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

In other words, you can't refute it..

No, in other words, you're an intellectually dishonest asshat, and I'm not wasting any more time trying to have a rational debate with you.

You've already ignored or hand-waved away a dozen points I've tried to make in this thread. Enough's enough.