Saw this question on r/atheism today.

[Nemesis 1]

Atheists: That's not proof

None want proof I offered twice no takers. This I am allowed.

 

[Nemesis 1]

WTF is a semerian, and why do people want to throw them?

Was it the hair on your ass that got you to where your at or was it your Mommy and Daddy ? You dislike my grammer spelling . Get an attorney . I am a simple man given a task I don't like so sue me.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Rather ironic start to a post that responds to a request for evidence with no evidence and just a lot of whining.

Nicely ties us back to the theme of the original post.

Whining? Stop your nagging! Read the Bible. Thats all the proof you need. If you dont believe in God after that, then you might over time. But pestering people who believe in God and Jesus to prove why they do is just silly.

 

[Juddog]

None want proof I offered twice no takers. This I am allowed.

Give us proof then.

Note: the following do not count as proofs:
* Universe exists (one can just as easily say that the magical unicorn created it, etc.)
* Stuff is complex (complexity is built over time, you can see this with basic fractals)
* The Bible

 

[Juddog]

Was it the hair on your ass that got you to where your at or was it your Mommy and Daddy ? You dislike my grammer spelling . Get an attorney . I am a simple man given a task I don't like so sue me.

I honestly don't know what a semerian is - and why the hell would you want to throw one? I googled it and only came up with usernames for various online games.

 

[Juddog]

Whining? Stop your nagging! Read the Bible. Thats all the proof you need. If you dont believe in God after that, then you might over time. But pestering people who believe in God and Jesus to prove why they do is just silly.

The Bible is full of inconsistencies and simple impossibilities, let alone literally over 1000 contradictions.

Therefore it doesn't constitute as proof - there is no way to prove that the Bible is a historical document, since there is no evidence of most of the things in it. If the Bible directly contradicts itself in over a thousand locations, how do you expect someone to take it as proof of anything but a collection of parables?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Whining? Stop your nagging! Read the Bible. Thats all the proof you need.

Read the Norse sagas. That's all the proof you need.
Read the Vedas. That's all the proof you need.
Read the Koran. That's all the proof you need.

But pestering people who believe in God and Jesus to prove why they do is just silly.

I'm not pestering anyone. They keep claiming they can do it, and they are too dishonest to admit that they can't.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I honestly don't know what a semerian is - and why the hell would you want to throw one? I googled it and only came up with usernames for various online games.

The guy you're responding to appears to be truly nuts, but my guess is he meant either "Samarians" or "Samaritans".

 

[Juddog]

Read the Norse sagas. That's all the proof you need.
Read the Vedas. That's all the proof you need.
Read the Koran. That's all the proof you need.



I'm not pestering anyone. They keep claiming they can do it, and they are too dishonest to admit that they can't.

I read the Norse sagas; it's all the proof I need of Thor existing. Unlike that pussy Jesus from the Bible, who promised to rid the world of evil (yet couldn't, because he sucks), Odin actually got rid of the Frost Giants.

 

[sm625]

Given the crimes against humanity committed in the name of practically any organized religion, you must rationally conclude that it is very irrational to be religious. But we have to be careful to separate religion from political intrigue. It is usually a despot that uses a religion to wreak their havok. And that includes wrecking our image of what religions are and whether they are good or bad. In any case, it is the process of the corruption of religion and its use a weapon of war and/or genocide that seems to me to be far more interesting and relevant than the religions themselves.

God says this. Yada yada. God wants you to do that. Yada yada. It's all very interesting. But what it always comes down to is he who has the bigger guns thinks god wants you to do something, and if you disagree then you are the insolent peasant/ rebel / terrorist or whatever. Religion is a tool of the tyrant. Because most mainstream religions are not specifically doctrined to protect themselves from this obvious abuse, they are all inherently frauds.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Read the Bible. Thats all the proof you need. If you dont believe in God after that, then you might over time.

Watch Puella Magi Madoka Magica. That's all the proof you need. If you don't believe in Madoka's sacrifice after that, then you might over time.

 

[Retro Rob]

If I wrote an autobiography in which I claimed that in the past I had walked on water, flown by flapping my arms, and produced fire at will in the palm of my hand, you'd probably ask me to do these things so you could see them for yourself.

And if I answered "oh, well, I used to be able to do them, honest, but it's just not happening now" -- would you believe me?

Depends, if you had eye witnesses to them, then I likely would. Jesus had eye witnesses to his miracles, whether you believe them or not is totally up to you and not worth debating about anymore.

Why should I give it any credibility? On what basis?

Then our discussion is done, then. You've have a background in Bible study, probably a longer one than mine. You don't give it credibility for reasons known to you.

Why do you think it's the "Word of God"? Are you honest enough with yourself to ask that question and answer it candidly?

So far the only one you've mentioned is a vague prediction of a city being destroyed, and that city is one of many that have been destroyed over the last 2,000+ years. How does that mean anything?

One specfically named "Cyrus" as one who would overthrow Babylon 200 years before he was even born.

Guess what? Some modern day "critics" say it wasn't Isaiah but an imposter who wrote that after Cyrus' conquest, however, throughout the Greek sciptures, not such distinction between so-called "writers" was ever made. Not even by Jesus who directly read from part of the Book of Isaiah.

Who am I likely to believe? A bunch of modern day idiots who refuse to grasp the fact that it was a direct prophecy, or people, whom were alive not too long after the book was completed, that quoted time and time again from it, crediting Isaiah.

Jesus even warned about 70 C.E concering the Roman Siege of the second temple. IIRC, this was actually told about 30 or so years before it happened.

However, believe what you wish. I don't really have to prove a thing to you.

 

[Retro Rob]

When trying to win an "argument" atheists tend to grab at straws, especially when losing said argument. Over time they have developed defenses to stop them from seeing past the end of their noses because they are afraid that not only does God exist, but they might actually believe in Him as well.

Obviously you and I know the truth about God, that He is the divine Creator of all things and if need be speaks to us to bring non believers to Him. But it is Jesus they need to pay attention to.

Instead of trying to mock and malign Jesus they should approach Him in their own way and let their relationship with Him grow. One day they too may wake up in Heaven as a result.

In the meantime we have to take the arrows of their resistance to God and Jesus.

I can agree.

What they dont want to do is consider you evidence, not from the Bible, not from the things we see, not from anywhere.

They attempt to back you into corners with the "see it then I'll believe it" type gibberish. No, I can't reproduce miracles, or God. That's unreasonable by default, and they know that.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I honestly don't know what a semerian is - and why the hell would you want to throw one? I googled it and only came up with usernames for various online games.

threw = through

semerian = Sumerian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Then our discussion is done, then. You've have a background in Bible study, probably a longer one than mine. You don't give it credibility for reasons known to you.

I don't give it credibility because it's a bloody book and there have been literally hundreds of religious books written, all of which conflict with each other.

What they dont want to do is consider you evidence, not from the Bible, not from the things we see, not from anywhere.

I'm sorry that it has come to this, but with that statement, you've put yourself squarely in the camp of being a deliberate liar.

We've been repeatedly asking for evidence. You've provided absolutely none, since anyone can write a book. Then you say we won't consider evidence.

Dishonest. And irrational.

 

[Retro Rob]

I don't give it credibility because it's a bloody book and there have been literally hundreds of religious books written, all of which conflict with each other.

Well, I guess you made the right choice in life. I'm happy for you.

 

[DominionSeraph]

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Well, I guess you made the right choice in life. I'm happy for you.

Somehow I'm reminded of this passage "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

 

[FelixDeCat]

I can agree.

What they dont want to do is consider you evidence, not from the Bible, not from the things we see, not from anywhere.

They attempt to back you into corners with the "see it then I'll believe it" type gibberish. No, I can't reproduce miracles, or God. That's unreasonable by default, and they know that.

You are certainly a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your common sense contributions to this dialogue.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Somehow I'm reminded of this passage "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

Somehow I'm reminded of this passage: "Religious people are full of shit".

If people just want to take the approach of "Well, I choose to believe this and I'm happy with it", fine. Don't come into a discussion pretending you have rational bases for your beliefs, and then whine when the obvious is pointed out to you.

 

[Retro Rob]

Somehow I'm reminded of this passage "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Somehow I'm reminded of this passage: "Religious people are full of shit".

Perhaps there are some things you don't understand...but I somehow doubt it.

 

[Retro Rob]

You are certainly a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your common sense contributions to this dialogue.

It makes sense if you don't look at everything with an overly-critical eye, much like some others in this thread.

Bible critics abound, even those who just google [insert passage here] and look for the first negative piece of commentary and ignore the more positive side.

That's been clearly evident in this and many threads Ive participated in.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Somehow I'm reminded of this passage "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

Because it applies to you, and all religious people?

 

[Juddog]

It makes sense if you don't look at everything with an overly-critical eye, much like some others in this thread.

Bible critics abound, even those who just google [insert passage here] and look for the first negative piece of commentary and ignore the more positive side.

That's been clearly evident in this and many threads Ive participated in.

Personal question: If you come across a direct contradiction in the Bible, how do you decide which one is the right answer?