saw 'Columbine' last night...

[ReiAyanami]

Farenheit 9/11: the temperature at which shrubs burn.

 

[Stunt]

Right now the country is very wrong.
show some of the people something assumed very wrong on the other side of the political spectrum should balance the lack of knowledge on the other side.

All is good. As it stands now, the american public has it wrong and ideally should be told, but that isn't our job.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Farenheit 9/11: the temperature at which shrubs burn.

You're kidding. While a few people are going to swoon over the fat man's movie, I think most of the US will realize that it is fantasy and not fact. It's a great vehicle for making Moore money. That's all.

 

[Stunt]

If Moore ran the country it would be totally protectionist, almost like the old soviet union but no military and more freedoms. Would be a scary thought.

He said Kucincih was closest to his mindset. Kucinich being the most left candidate that the dems had to offer this time round.
Tree hugger to the nth degree.

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
I'd go along with his point, but I think he shoots himself in the foot a bit when he steps over the line. A prime example is the handling of the Heston interview. It -could- have been a great piece, and good on Heston for agreeing to it. Moore just went too much on the offensive for my taste and it made me cringe a bit to watch. That being said, I enjoyed the film and thought it was relatively fair (though I'll be the first to acknowledge the slant).

How did he go on the offensive??? Heston's comment about "USA is more ethnically diverse than other countries thus we have more murder". yah, that doesn't deserve to be challenged...

I had heard before I saw the film that Moore was hard on poor old moses with Alzheimer's. Heston appeared to think very clearly during and after the interview. It made me cringe to watch too...but because I had lost respect for Heston, whom I once (a long time ago) thought was pretty cool.

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0T

Originally posted by: loki8481
I mostly agree with Moore's politics. but he's a crap film maker, they're misrepresented as documentries, and he "misrepresents" the truth way too often and way too far.

Like in his latest film. Where people are rebutting many of his statements he's saying are fact.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5239322/

There's more like this, and more will come out once the movie hits mass distribution. I think this person is full of hatred. He also says that he didn't vote for, Clinton. I don't know. I think a film of this sort in an election year is disgraceful.

It's amazing the voice and power the left has...

Yah, disgraceful that he should bring up important issues and questions in an election year...what does he think this is...AMERICA???

 

[Bonesdad]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Farenheit 9/11: the temperature at which shrubs burn.

You're kidding. While a few people are going to swoon over the fat man's movie, I think most of the US will realize that it is fantasy and not fact. It's a great vehicle for making Moore money. That's all.

so you've seen it....no? Oh, I thought you knew what you were talking about...


The war in Iraq??? "I think most of the US will realize that it is fantasy and not fact. It's a great vehicle for making Bush and his cronies more money. That's all."

 

[0roo0roo]

http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203/?GT1=3256


i will be watching farenheit 911

 

[Helenihi]

Originally posted by: Bonesdad

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
I'd go along with his point, but I think he shoots himself in the foot a bit when he steps over the line. A prime example is the handling of the Heston interview. It -could- have been a great piece, and good on Heston for agreeing to it. Moore just went too much on the offensive for my taste and it made me cringe a bit to watch. That being said, I enjoyed the film and thought it was relatively fair (though I'll be the first to acknowledge the slant).

How did he go on the offensive??? Heston's comment about "USA is more ethnically diverse than other countries thus we have more murder". yah, that doesn't deserve to be challenged...

I had heard before I saw the film that Moore was hard on poor old moses with Alzheimer's. Heston appeared to think very clearly during and after the interview. It made me cringe to watch too...but because I had lost respect for Heston, whom I once (a long time ago) thought was pretty cool.

You need only look at the crime statistics of this country to realize that saying our nations murder rate may have something to do with it's ethnic make-up isn't an outrageous claim, and it certainly doesn't make one a racist.

 

[Stunt]

I think europe and canada are more ethnically diverse than the US. And we have more guns...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Helenihi

Originally posted by: Bonesdad

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
I'd go along with his point, but I think he shoots himself in the foot a bit when he steps over the line. A prime example is the handling of the Heston interview. It -could- have been a great piece, and good on Heston for agreeing to it. Moore just went too much on the offensive for my taste and it made me cringe a bit to watch. That being said, I enjoyed the film and thought it was relatively fair (though I'll be the first to acknowledge the slant).

How did he go on the offensive??? Heston's comment about "USA is more ethnically diverse than other countries thus we have more murder". yah, that doesn't deserve to be challenged...

I had heard before I saw the film that Moore was hard on poor old moses with Alzheimer's. Heston appeared to think very clearly during and after the interview. It made me cringe to watch too...but because I had lost respect for Heston, whom I once (a long time ago) thought was pretty cool.

You need only look at the crime statistics of this country to realize that saying our nations murder rate may have something to do with it's ethnic make-up isn't an outrageous claim, and it certainly doesn't make one a racist.

If you'd have watched BFC, you'd know that the US isn't the sole Multiracial/Multiethnic counry, hell, it's likely not the most diverse. Yet it's Gun death rates are much higher. It's not a Racial, Ethnic, or diversity issue, something else is the cause.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Farenheit 9/11: the temperature at which shrubs burn.

You're kidding. While a few people are going to swoon over the fat man's movie, I think most of the US will realize that it is fantasy and not fact. It's a great vehicle for making Moore money. That's all.

I assume you saw the movie. I assume you will provide facts supporting your allegation. Most of the US is waiting for your expert analysis. Oh wait. Never mind. It is etech. You do not use facts.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

 

[biostud]

The main question still remains: Why do US have higher rates of gun killings than rest of the western world?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Farenheit 9/11: the temperature at which shrubs burn.

You're kidding. While a few people are going to swoon over the fat man's movie, I think most of the US will realize that it is fantasy and not fact. It's a great vehicle for making Moore money. That's all.

I assume you saw the movie. I assume you will provide facts supporting your allegation. Most of the US is waiting for your expert analysis. Oh wait. Never mind. It is etech. You do not use facts.

Liberals line up for early look at 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

NEW YORK -- How can you prove that you are a real liberal? Apparently by being among the first people to see Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11."
In line on Tuesday night for the midnight show at Loews Village VII at Third Avenue and 11th Street in Manhattan were about 200 people, more than enough anti-Bush and anti-war factions to fill theaters for both a midnight show and a 12:15 a.m. show. (If there were Republicans in the group, they must have been stealth operatives.)
On Tuesday afternoon, Nick Anderson went online to purchase tickets for Friday, when the two-hour movie opens nationwide. Anderson, 22, was surprised to see tickets available for the 12:15 a.m Wednesday showing.
"We wanted to see it as soon as possible," he said, standing outside the movie theater with a friend. "This is easier for people to understand than reading books, reading newspapers or watching C-Span."
After watching the movie, Anderson decided that it would be a great recruiting film.
"I hope it makes a difference," he said, "and makes people get out and vote."
Katie Bachler, 22, said she lost interest in politics after the war in Iraq started; it was pointless to protest, she thought, because no one listened. But after seeing the movie, Bachler, a recent graduate from Occidental College in Los Angeles, said she was inspired to think about politics again.
Some of the moviegoers agreed that the film was not going to change anyone's mind. Bachler said she knew she was getting a left-slanted film when she bought her ticket. "Yes, the facts have been catered to make a certain point," she said. "But he presented the other side that we don't get in the media."

 

[Stunt]

" The main question still remains: Why do US have higher rates of gun killings than rest of the western world?"

I assume the fear generated by the media. If you look at an american broadcast and a canadian broadcast, the american will be more thrilling if you will. Trying to make their story more attractive relative to the many other stations.

Here there are 3 networks who broadcast. Less competitive and relatively unbiased with their accounts of the crimes at hand.

This different style of media exposure, gets people scared of strangers and everyone you dont know could be out to kill you. I guess ppl are willing to act first before they get are the victims.

Also the US has the notion that handguns can be used as protection. Handguns here are rare. Heavy regulations, and you cant exactly carry a rifle around.

So i'd have to say fear, and handguns used as 'protection' and more readily available.

Funniest part of the whole thing is that Moore's movie is right, we don't lock our house, nobody i know does unless gone for extended periods. I also work at a machine shoip for my summer job and i mill handguns which get shipped to the US, without americans hunger for handguns, we'd have a lot less work.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Funniest part of the whole thing is that Moore's movie is right, we don't lock our house, nobody i know does unless gone for extended periods.

Pay closer attention to the movie - it's worse! Moore is talking about locking the door in the middle of the day, when you ARE home. I don't know how common this really is in the US, but I certainly know that none of my friends and family do it, and we all live in Scarborough.

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
Farenheit 9/11: the temperature at which shrubs burn.

You're kidding. While a few people are going to swoon over the fat man's movie, I think most of the US will realize that it is fantasy and not fact. It's a great vehicle for making Moore money. That's all.

I assume you saw the movie. I assume you will provide facts supporting your allegation. Most of the US is waiting for your expert analysis. Oh wait. Never mind. It is etech. You do not use facts.

Liberals line up for early look at 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

NEW YORK -- How can you prove that you are a real liberal? Apparently by being among the first people to see Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11."
In line on Tuesday night for the midnight show at Loews Village VII at Third Avenue and 11th Street in Manhattan were about 200 people, more than enough anti-Bush and anti-war factions to fill theaters for both a midnight show and a 12:15 a.m. show. (If there were Republicans in the group, they must have been stealth operatives.)
On Tuesday afternoon, Nick Anderson went online to purchase tickets for Friday, when the two-hour movie opens nationwide. Anderson, 22, was surprised to see tickets available for the 12:15 a.m Wednesday showing.
"We wanted to see it as soon as possible," he said, standing outside the movie theater with a friend. "This is easier for people to understand than reading books, reading newspapers or watching C-Span."
After watching the movie, Anderson decided that it would be a great recruiting film.
"I hope it makes a difference," he said, "and makes people get out and vote."
Katie Bachler, 22, said she lost interest in politics after the war in Iraq started; it was pointless to protest, she thought, because no one listened. But after seeing the movie, Bachler, a recent graduate from Occidental College in Los Angeles, said she was inspired to think about politics again.
Some of the moviegoers agreed that the film was not going to change anyone's mind. Bachler said she knew she was getting a left-slanted film when she bought her ticket. "Yes, the facts have been catered to make a certain point," she said. "But he presented the other side that we don't get in the media."

Ya, so what?? You said the movie was fantasy not fact. What parts of Fahrenheit 9/11 are fantasy?? How does this article in any way support your argument that this movie is fantasy not fact.

 

[Doboji]

Michael Moore is the anti-christ.

The man is a lying conniving propagandist pig-dog.. he is the Liberal Rush Limbaugh... just as pervasive, just as scheming and just as ugly.

Someone made the point about Moore's reference to Canada, and how the problem in America with violence goes way beyond the simplicity of gun ownership, however... Moore's point on paper, and the point he actually makes are two completely different things. The point he makes in actuality is to associate gun ownership, lockheed martin, the NRA, rich people, and Charlton Heston with MURDER. And make no mistake about it, that is EXACTLY what he intends to do. He is a propagandist, whose target is any conservative base or issue. And I think if you watch the movie again, with this in-light you will see this to be frighteningly true.

The clearest cut example, I refer you to, is the interview with the Lockheed martin employee with the missle in the background.

-Max

 

[Stunt]

Scarborough is ghetto though...haha.
I'll lock while im at work...
but at home, or a quick trip out nah.
Mind you im in a 9000 person town at the moment.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Doboji
Michael Moore is the anti-christ.

The man is a lying conniving propagandist pig-dog.. he is the Liberal Rush Limbaugh... just as pervasive, just as scheming and just as ugly.

Someone made the point about Moore's reference to Canada, and how the problem in America with violence goes way beyond the simplicity of gun ownership, however... Moore's point on paper, and the point he actually makes are two completely different things. The point he makes in actuality is to associate gun ownership, lockheed martin, the NRA, rich people, and Charlton Heston with MURDER. And make no mistake about it, that is EXACTLY what he intends to do. He is a propagandist, whose target is any conservative base or issue. And I think if you watch the movie again, with this in-light you will see this to be frighteningly true.

The clearest cut example, I refer you to, is the interview with the Lockheed martin employee with the missle in the background.

-Max

Market news----Tinfoil futures skyrocket!

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Moore wasn't trying to disgrace or embarrass Heston, he merely showed how when you ask the tough questions even those who should have an answer are dumbstruck, because they have never considered the issue in that way. It goes along with the whole point of the entire Movie, people have not really considered Why they own a gun or what a Gun is, they just own one because of some vague idea that they're Safer, even though the facts prove otherwise.

I agree that some people are in fact dumbstruck or are caught totally off guard when asked a simple question. Fact is it has happend to me professionaly but its very rare. Happens to everyone. Lets not single out someone who isn't exactly in his teens anymore.

As far as your second comment is concerned:

What facts?

What exactly are you talking about?

Your blanket statement is completely baseless, let alone wrong.

If you know something that everyone else, whom is educated on the subject, does not then please by all means share it. Otherwise do not make blanket statements because facts don't point in your direction.

Fact is states that have repealed "Coneal and Carry" laws have seen violent crime drop significantly, while those that keep these laws have seen their violent crime increase significantly.

Florida is a prime example since they repealed that law in 1987, but you can look at just about any state and see what repealing these laws does.

People need to learn the difference between facts and myth. They are not the same.

You cannot just look at a simple # either.

If you are looking at gun deaths/injury/crime nation wide you must question all statistics to see what it is they include. Some will include all actions that involved a gun, including self defense, which makes the statistic useless.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: sandorski
Moore wasn't trying to disgrace or embarrass Heston, he merely showed how when you ask the tough questions even those who should have an answer are dumbstruck, because they have never considered the issue in that way. It goes along with the whole point of the entire Movie, people have not really considered Why they own a gun or what a Gun is, they just own one because of some vague idea that they're Safer, even though the facts prove otherwise.

I agree that some people are in fact dumbstruck or are caught totally off guard when asked a simple question. Fact is it has happend to me professionaly but its very rare. Happens to everyone. Lets not single out someone who isn't exactly in his teens anymore.

As far as your second comment is concerned:

What facts?

What exactly are you talking about?

Your blanket statement is completely baseless, let alone wrong.

If you know something that everyone else, whom is educated on the subject, does not then please by all means share it. Otherwise do not make blanket statements because facts don't point in your direction.

Fact is states that have repealed "Coneal and Carry" laws have seen violent crime drop significantly, while those that keep these laws have seen their violent crime increase significantly.

Florida is a prime example since they repealed that law in 1987, but you can look at just about any state and see what repealing these laws does.

People need to learn the difference between facts and myth. They are not the same.

You cannot just look at a simple # either.

If you are looking at gun deaths/injury/crime nation wide you must question all statistics to see what it is they include. Some will include all actions that involved a gun, including self defense, which makes the statistic useless.

The US has the highest Murder rates in the Industrialized world.

 

[Stunt]

I would like you guys to explain this as well. How do you explain your huge murder rates?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Scarborough is ghetto though...haha.
I'll lock while im at work...
but at home, or a quick trip out nah.
Mind you im in a 9000 person town at the moment.

Well, Scarborough has average house prices in the $300,000 range, and several neighborhoods (including mine) that are more like $400,000. But if all you believe are the media reports, then yeah, Scarborough would be ghetto.

Most crime in other parts of Toronto is not identified by section - the worst part of Toronto is actually in North York where everyone thinks it's safe.

I lock my house if I leave, and that's it.

 

[CanOWorms]

It's pretty difficult to talk about crime rates and such since so many statistics disagree with each other. For example, I think the United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute consistently ranks the US behind Canada in crime. But then anyone else can pick anything else up because there is is so much disagreement about how statistics are reported, if people report crimes, etc.