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Saw bowling for columbine last night...

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I have to say it's one of the best films i've seen in a long time and i recommend you to all go see it. it really helps to explain gun violence in america, and it probes why people do the things they do. (it also has a bit of humor in it too)

see it today!
 
I watched it a few nights ago as well and thought it was pretty good as well. I'd say they present from a pretty neutral position. The Kmart thing was pretty neat.
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Is it an honest, balanced introspecitive or a liberally biased rant?
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It's a Michael Moore film - do you even have to ask? I'm liberal, but I generally think he's no better than Heston or those he rails against.
 
I saw it, and really liked it. I'm a pretty big fan of Michael Moore, but I had no clue that he had a new movie out until I saw a preview a month or so ago. Even though Moore is a total hardcore liberal, I do enjoy the methods and humor he uses to bring points across. A lot of people write him off because he is so leftist, but honestly Moore is kind of a pioneer in indie filmmaking/humor/activism because he finds mostly innocent and humorous ways to create positive results for everyday people (notice the mostly before u blow up). Even conservatives should enjoy his methods of using humor and personal emotion to get his points across on film. Seeing how successful he has become, I'm amazed I havent seen a conservative try to copy his technique yet.

Some of the stuff Moore has done on TV Nation and The Awful Truth is just classic (Notably 'K-Flex The Congressional Pimp' going to DC and offering to help Congressmen to get more 'cheddar' for their 'turning' their lobbying 'tricks'). I agree some of his work is pointless (running a ficus plant for some kind of office in a small town <i forget what office it was running for>), but it generally spreads the proof that individual people can have a say in the things that happen in the U.S., while still being entertaining to watch. Plus, I've got to give him hometown props... (ok, ok, im not from Flint, but Detroit is close enuff... not to mention him visiting Great Lakes Crossing, going over the border to Windsor, other places im familiar with, etc. etc. etc.)

Overall, I'd highly recommend seeing this movie. If even just to show you a different point of view, whether you are for it or against it. Most people will probably leave the theater with good feelings about the film, and if not, they will at least laugh at the parts showcasing the media's ways of hyping fear across America and their recurrence throughout the documentary.

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For the fans of this documentary that havent seen his other work, I'd reccomend checking out The Awful Truth Season 2 on DVD, because IMHO its better than season one, and most people would probably be turned off by the really depressing moments in Roger & Me, even though it is a great documentary.


 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
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Considering Moore's track record, it's surprisingly neutral on the topic of gun ownership and availability and is pretty quick to point out that gun ownership in other countries doesn't translate to violence there. However, the social factors that he examines to determine why high gun homicide rates are almost unique to the United States are certainly levelled to take pot shots at his favorite targets, big business and the media.
 
Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Is it an honest, balanced introspecitive or a liberally biased rant?
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Considering Moore's track record, it's surprisingly neutral on the topic of gun ownership and availability and is pretty quick to point out that gun ownership in other countries doesn't translate to violence there. However, the social factors that he examines to determine why high gun homicide rates are almost unique to the United States are certainly levelled to take pot shots at his favorite targets, big business and the media.
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I don't have a problem with his taking potshots at the media or big business. They're as untrustworthy these days as the government is.
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Is it an honest, balanced introspecitive or a liberally biased rant?
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Considering Moore's track record, it's surprisingly neutral on the topic of gun ownership and availability and is pretty quick to point out that gun ownership in other countries doesn't translate to violence there. However, the social factors that he examines to determine why high gun homicide rates are almost unique to the United States are certainly levelled to take pot shots at his favorite targets, big business and the media.
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I don't have a problem with his taking potshots at the media or big business. They're as untrustworthy these days as the government is.
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I just saw it tonight, and I have to say that this is about all it is. One big potshot at Big Business and The Media. Im what you might call a hard core conservative at heart, but I truly enjoyed this film. It was a fun romp through the nonsenseland of anti-gun propaganda 🙂

The only valid point he made in the entire movie is that this country is the way it is because of fear.

*spoiler*I particularly enjoyed the part where he attacked Charlton Heston with almost nothing, yet Heston got riled up and ran off. They are both a couple of jackasses if you ask me.

 
i saw this movie last weekend. i never knew what it was about.

This movie was really, really good.

it made me think about stuff i dont' think about much. i'm not a very deep person but i really loved this movie. even though i downloaded a pirated version and watched it, this will be one dvd i actually buy.

It also gave me a greater respect for canadians. I kinda want to move there now. i dont know why there are so many canadian haterz on this board. i have cousins that are canadian.

the other thing i'd like to say in response to the film is down with Heston. that guy is such a f'ckn bigot. You can tell he's pretty dumb too when M. Moore was questioning him about him bringing over his stupid NRA rallies into Littleton 1 week after the massacre.
 
Moore's a great entertainer, he makes you chuckle a lot. But God help us all if people confuse being "entertained" with being "informed".
the other thing i'd like to say in response to the film is down with Heston. that guy is such a f'ckn bigot. You can tell he's pretty dumb too when M. Moore was questioning him about him bringing over his stupid NRA rallies into Littleton 1 week after the massacre.
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Actually Heston's notion of racial factors playing a role in the 'gun culture' of the United States is not at all in disagreement with some leading sociological schools of thought on the matter. If you were half as informed as you think you are, and you're not, you would have known that.

Heston has Alzheimer's disease. It is rather clear that it was affecting Heston during Moore's interview.

Remind me to call one of your family members "pretty dumb" because they are suffering from some neurological disorder.

The NRA's annual convention in Denver had been planned more than one year before the Columbine shooting. The NRA not only had absolutely no reason to cancel their rally due to a shooting they are not responsible for, but the father of a Columbine victim testified before Congress that the NRA is a convenient target for stupid people. Well, ok, not in as many words...
 
I'm not sure what to make of moore. He seems to hate himself

"I grew up catholic" but now I hates religion and the church and all it stands for
"I grew up hunting and a NRA member" But now he does'nt want you to have the same right
"I grew up rich and lived a privliged life" But tell your middle/upper class parents who were like mine to give all thier money in taxes
"I don't like conspicuoous comsumtion" but I'm fatter than Rush Limbough ever was

Well you see what I'm getting at.
 
I'm not sure what to make of moore. He seems to hate himself
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lol! Sorta like "I condemn all of the influences which made me what I am today. Wait a minute..."
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Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I'm not sure what to make of moore. He seems to hate himself

"I grew up catholic" but now I hates religion and the church and all it stands for
"I grew up hunting and a NRA member" But now he does'nt want you to have the same right
"I grew up rich and lived a privliged life" But tell your middle/upper class parents who were like mine to give all thier money in taxes
"I don't like conspicuoous comsumtion" but I'm fatter than Rush Limbough ever was

Well you see what I'm getting at.
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comment on the film, not the director
 
comment on the film, not the director
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Well take everything which made "Roger and Me" the rabble-rousing, anachronistic, and distorted union propaganda flick that it was, and that about sums up "Bowling For Columbine", only about America's 'gun culture' instead of corporate greed. The end.
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Moore's a great entertainer, he makes you chuckle a lot. But God help us all if people confuse being "entertained" with being "informed".
the other thing i'd like to say in response to the film is down with Heston. that guy is such a f'ckn bigot. You can tell he's pretty dumb too when M. Moore was questioning him about him bringing over his stupid NRA rallies into Littleton 1 week after the massacre.
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Actually Heston's notion of racial factors playing a role in the 'gun culture' of the United States is not at all in disagreement with some leading sociological schools of thought on the matter. If you were half as informed as you think you are, and you're not, you would have known that.

Heston has Alzheimer's disease. It is rather clear that it was affecting Heston during Moore's interview.

Remind me to call one of your family members "pretty dumb" because they are suffering from some neurological disorder.

The NRA's annual convention in Denver had been planned more than one year before the Columbine shooting. The NRA not only had absolutely no reason to cancel their rally due to a shooting they are not responsible for, but the father of a Columbine victim testified before Congress that the NRA is a convenient target for stupid people. Well, ok, not in as many words...
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1) I'd like quotes and links to your claim that 'leading sociological schools of thought' agree with that statement. If you have seen the movie, you should recall that Moore addresses this theory, but then goes on to say how Canada is just as diverse and has MORE guns per capita, yet they do not have this problem.

2) Heston has Alzheimer's disease. It is rather 'clear' that it was affecting him during the interview. Really now? how so? I just saw this movie a few days ago. Give me even one example of something that makes it evident that he is being affected by the disease during the interview.

3) Yeah, we all know the NRA convention had been planned before. But it could have been, and should have been cancelled, out of respect for the 15 people that died at the hands of high powered guns. That would have required nothing more than common sense and a bit of good judgement.

4) You mention a columbine parent testifying before congress in support of the NRA. Where can i see this? Also, as shown in the movie, the father of a student who was murdered there rallied against the NRA coming to town. Yet they came anyways. Even the mayor of Littleton said they should not have come, yet they came anyway.

 
Michael Moore got booed and hissed out of england 2 weeks ago.

He is to liberal for the British ?
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He is the poster boy for whiny little turds with to much time on their hands.
 
Originally posted by: jumpr
check out my comments at my website
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Nice site. Clean and quick to load. I like sites like that🙂

As far as the film. I have to admit I laughed my butt off. At what i don't remember but it was funny. I agree with moore a lot but still think he's a communist... I also agree with his "fear" message causeing gun violence but don't think it's being bombarded by news and TV like Moore thinks but a fear of not getting yours so to speak and a nothing to loose culture. So ya Moore has some good things to say but his method and pro gun idiots he chooses to interview clouded his message for me. Real people are not like that
 
Originally posted by: 308nato
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: 308nato
Darrel Scott addresses Congress
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are you actually giving me a link from an NRA website? Surely you can do better...
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Use your own Google button then brightboy.
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I've read it bright boy.

What does it reveal? Nothing more than the guy is a devout Christian. He is using that opportunity as a platform for his beliefs. I too dont' believe that the NRA is to blame, and I didn't say that, nor do I think Michael Moore implied that. The NRA is, however, the largest firearm organization and they support all sorts of gun shows where firearms like those used in the columbine massacre can be purchased.

I would put it akin to the following situation: if there was a major world Islam convention in NYC 1 week after September 11. Was Islam responsible for what happened, no. But it would be in good taste to postpone such a convention had it been scheduled. Some things are just common sense.

It would have been a good gesture on their part to have postponed it, rather than have the city filled with guns just a week after many of its citizens had been victimized by that very instrument.

I'll stand by my word that Heston is a bigot and his NRA rally was stupid considering the timing of the event.

edit: and 308nato, do you care to give responses to my other points? You'll probably say no, i dont' have time or give some other p*ssy lame ass excuse to avoid it, but hey, who knows, maybe you'll surprise us. Feel free to, Tscenter isn't the only one who has to respond.
 
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I'm not sure what to make of moore. He seems to hate himself

"I grew up catholic" but now I hates religion and the church and all it stands for
"I grew up hunting and a NRA member" But now he does'nt want you to have the same right
"I grew up rich and lived a privliged life" But tell your middle/upper class parents who were like mine to give all thier money in taxes
"I don't like conspicuoous comsumtion" but I'm fatter than Rush Limbough ever was

Well you see what I'm getting at.
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some people are capable of looking beyond what their parents crammed down their throats. usually it's called growing up. let us know when you get there.
 
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