Sarah the "Whack-Job"

[microbial]

Well it's open warfare amongst the anit-America Republicans and the Pro-America Republicans.

This is better than the actual election.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t...ons/article5032745.ece

And the lines are being drawn in the sand...you are either pro-Palin or anti-Palin...how that reflects on the pro or anti-America stance, I'm not sure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...l-battle_n_138303.html

He told The Sunday Telegraph: "There's going to be a bloodbath. A lot of people are going to be excommunicated. David Brooks and David Frum and Peggy Noonan are dead people in the Republican Party. The litmus test will be: where did you stand on Palin?"

 

[jpeyton]

Beautiful to watch.

The wheels are coming off the straight talk express.

 

[nakedfrog]

Next thing you know they'll be calling McCain old!

 

[Juddog]

The Republican party is in a fix right now. Right at the time when they need to start collecting more of the moderates, you have windbag Rush Limbaugh calling people traitors and saying "good riddance".

Many of the moderate republicans I know are sitting this election out; they don't like Obama or his plans, but think Palin is a nut and that McCain is losing his mind. Their form of protest against the latest GOP pick is simply to sit it out.

 

[chess9]

I'm sure we are hearing only 1% of the back-biting and second guessing going on. Recriminations among Republicans will be mean and loud in the coming months. In another post I mentioned a lawyer friend of mine who worked for McCain in NC. I spoke with him awhile ago about our doubles match tomorrow and also asked him how many independents he thought they lost with the Palin nomination? He said he didn't know, but that he came close to quitting the campaign, and his wife is voting for Obama! LMFAO!

-Robert

 

[StageLeft]

It is fun to watch, them constraining the damage, for once, to themselves where it's all deserved insteda of the rest of the country and world. Let them eat their young.

 

[Farang]

So when she runs for President is she still going to have McCain babysit her during interviews? Will he be at the debates stepping in to answer questions for her?

 

[Red Dawn]

I just can't imagine any sane person voting for the horrible woman for President. There must be a lot of her fellow whack-jobs out there. Well I know there is, they voted for Bush twice and are voting for McCain.

 

[techs]

Could it be Santa gave the Democrats their Christmas present early?

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: techs
Could it be Santa gave the Democrats their Christmas present early?

I fucking hope so, about time the republicans grew a spine and started thinking about this country.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Next thing you know they'll be calling McCain old!

Why do you hate POWs?

 

[RU482]

Originally posted by: Juddog
The Republican party is in a fix right now. Right at the time when they need to start collecting more of the moderates, you have windbag Rush Limbaugh calling people traitors and saying "good riddance".

Many of the moderate republicans I know are sitting this election out; they don't like Obama or his plans, but think Palin is a nut and that McCain is losing his mind. Their form of protest against the latest GOP pick is simply to sit it out.

It would be nice to see the likes of Rush and Hannity marginalized to the point of obscurity

 

[Fern]

Meh, just looks like the usual recriminations one sees in an unsuccessful campiagn. We saw the same stuff in HRC's campaign.

But no doubt somebody in McCain's campiagn (including him) will come under a lot criticism for this. I'm sure they are trying to blame *the other person*, it's hard to sell yourself as soem top dollar campaign consultant when your candidate gets routed. Future jobs are at stake.

I'd imagine that there's going to be plenty of jockying around for 2012 too. I don't find that surprising, whoever's side gets control of the Repub apparatus has a better chance for 2012. Anybody believing this is perculiar to the Repub side is a fool, we've seen evidence of the DNC battles between the Clinton machinery and others. After Obam's win I'm sure they'll be a purging, by 2012 most will be loyal to Obama, not a Clinton.

I see nothing but *politics as normal*, and likely a dim future for McCainites.

Fern

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Juddog
The Republican party is in a fix right now. Right at the time when they need to start collecting more of the moderates, you have windbag Rush Limbaugh calling people traitors and saying "good riddance".

Many of the moderate republicans I know are sitting this election out; they don't like Obama or his plans, but think Palin is a nut and that McCain is losing his mind. Their form of protest against the latest GOP pick is simply to sit it out.

It was the moderates who will be blamed for the loss. The moderates got McCain nominated. The republican party will take a very hard turn back the the extreme right. I can't blame them they tried a moderate and are going to get destroyed. They see the democrats nominated a extremist and are going to win big time. The next republican running in 4 years will be as right or more right than palin is.

I agree with rush in a way it was the moderates who voted for McCain in the primaries. They should stick with their guy if they want to jump ship then screw who needs em.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Juddog
The Republican party is in a fix right now. Right at the time when they need to start collecting more of the moderates, you have windbag Rush Limbaugh calling people traitors and saying "good riddance".

Many of the moderate republicans I know are sitting this election out; they don't like Obama or his plans, but think Palin is a nut and that McCain is losing his mind. Their form of protest against the latest GOP pick is simply to sit it out.

It was the moderates who will be blamed for the loss. The moderates got McCain nominated. The republican party will take a very hard turn back the the extreme right. I can't blame them they tried a moderate and are going to get destroyed. They see the democrats nominated a extremist and are going to win big time. The next republican running in 4 years will be as right or more right than palin is.

I agree with rush in a way it was the moderates who voted for McCain in the primaries. They should stick with their guy if they want to jump ship then screw who needs em.

But they DIDN'T try a moderate, not really. That he's not quite as far right as the rest of them doesn't, when you look at it from a distance, make a huge difference, and certainly Palin is pretty damn hardcore right, about as right as you can get.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Juddog
The Republican party is in a fix right now. Right at the time when they need to start collecting more of the moderates, you have windbag Rush Limbaugh calling people traitors and saying "good riddance".

Many of the moderate republicans I know are sitting this election out; they don't like Obama or his plans, but think Palin is a nut and that McCain is losing his mind. Their form of protest against the latest GOP pick is simply to sit it out.

It is the moderates who will be blamed for the loss. The moderates got McCain nominated. The republican party will take a very hard turn back the the extreme right. I can't blame them they tried a moderate and are going to get destroyed. They see the democrats nominated a extremist and are going to win big time. The next republican running in 4 years will be as right or more right than palin is.

I agree with rush in a way it was the moderates who voted for McCain in the primaries. They should stick with their guy if they want to jump ship then screw who needs em.

But they DIDN'T try a moderate, not really. That he's not quite as far right as the rest of them doesn't, when you look at it from a distance, make a huge difference, and certainly Palin is pretty damn hardcore right, about as right as you can get.

He is the most moderate republican nominee in my life time. McCain is as moderate as the republican party will ever get. Just like Clinton was as moderate as the democratic party will ever get.

In 4 years don't be shocked when someone shares Palin's extreme right views is nominated. I don't like it either I was happy that the RR lost the party but that will be over November 5th. Us moderates and fiscal Conservatives had a shot and we blew it. Maybe in 20 years I will get another shot to vote for a moderate by either side.

 

[DrPizza]

Anyone wonder if it's possible that during the next four years, a new political party emerges?

 

[midway]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Juddog
The Republican party is in a fix right now. Right at the time when they need to start collecting more of the moderates, you have windbag Rush Limbaugh calling people traitors and saying "good riddance".

Many of the moderate republicans I know are sitting this election out; they don't like Obama or his plans, but think Palin is a nut and that McCain is losing his mind. Their form of protest against the latest GOP pick is simply to sit it out.

It is the moderates who will be blamed for the loss. The moderates got McCain nominated. The republican party will take a very hard turn back the the extreme right. I can't blame them they tried a moderate and are going to get destroyed. They see the democrats nominated a extremist and are going to win big time. The next republican running in 4 years will be as right or more right than palin is.

I agree with rush in a way it was the moderates who voted for McCain in the primaries. They should stick with their guy if they want to jump ship then screw who needs em.

But they DIDN'T try a moderate, not really. That he's not quite as far right as the rest of them doesn't, when you look at it from a distance, make a huge difference, and certainly Palin is pretty damn hardcore right, about as right as you can get.

He is the most moderate republican nominee in my life time. McCain is as moderate as the republican party will ever get. Just like Clinton was as moderate as the democratic party will ever get.

In 4 years don't be shocked when someone shares Palin's extreme right views is nominated. I don't like it either I was happy that the RR lost the party but that will be over November 5th. Us moderates and fiscal Conservatives had a shot and we blew it. Maybe in 20 years I will get another shot to vote for a moderate by either side.

If you 'moderates and fiscal conservatives' didn't let the wacko fundamentalists run your party you could be in a much better position. Crist, Romney, hell even Lieberman probably could have delivered this election for McCain.

Pandering to the far right is what will probably cost McCain the election.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Anyone wonder if it's possible that during the next four years, a new political party emerges?

I'd love to see Libertarians replace the Republicans, or have Republicans return to true conservatism.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: quest55720
He is the most moderate republican nominee in my life time. McCain is as moderate as the republican party will ever get.

Either you are younger than even I thought, or you are forgetting President George Herbert Walker Bush.

Which is it?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: quest55720
...
In 4 years don't be shocked when someone shares Palin's extreme right views is nominated. I don't like it either I was happy that the RR lost the party but that will be over November 5th. Us moderates and fiscal Conservatives had a shot and we blew it. Maybe in 20 years I will get another shot to vote for a moderate by either side.

They need to make somebody like huckabee the nominee and make their number priority rewriting the constitution basing it on the ten commandments.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: Fern
Meh, just looks like the usual recriminations one sees in an unsuccessful campiagn. We saw the same stuff in HRC's campaign.

But no doubt somebody in McCain's campiagn (including him) will come under a lot criticism for this. I'm sure they are trying to blame *the other person*, it's hard to sell yourself as soem top dollar campaign consultant when your candidate gets routed. Future jobs are at stake.

I'd imagine that there's going to be plenty of jockying around for 2012 too. I don't find that surprising, whoever's side gets control of the Repub apparatus has a better chance for 2012. Anybody believing this is perculiar to the Repub side is a fool, we've seen evidence of the DNC battles between the Clinton machinery and others. After Obam's win I'm sure they'll be a purging, by 2012 most will be loyal to Obama, not a Clinton.

I see nothing but *politics as normal*, and likely a dim future for McCainites.

Fern

I don't recall anybody in the Clinton campaign using terms like "unhinged", or anybody on either side of the Clinton/ Obama rivalry talking about "treason" or how anybody not toeing the line was "dead"...

Lots of pandering and pitching to the most rabid of the repub base at the moment, going for the true believers. After 9/11, repubs took a hard right and slapped the pedal to the metal, dared anybody to get in the way...

Which is why they're losing this election in the first place. America's swoon for the rightwing hasn't turned out well for most people, and they know it...

Palin in 2012? Oh, Sweet Jesus, bring it on, fools...

 

[Lemon law]

After the election of 11/2008, what is left of the GOP will look a bunch of two armed weather vanes, all pointing the finger of blame at anyone but themselves. Certain to immediately get scapegoated is GWB, McCain, and Sarah Palin. And in the GOP blame game, round one, the Rush Limbaugh constituency is likely to emerge somewhat a winner and certainly shriller.

As the Obama Presidency takes over and starts to open the executive branch files, and by the end of Obama year one, the facts will emerge regarding how deeply GWB&co has screwed America. Those files will be shared with the GOP too, and thus will be started GOP blame game round two. Regardless if GWB&co is jailed or not, this time the blame will descend on George W the arrogant snot, and neocons and Limbaugh will lose in the general rot. Meanwhile the country will struggle going with Obama or not.

By Obama year two, the hopefully more rational GOP blame game three will start, as the GOP has the choice of going to the rational and responsible center or hard to the right, I predict the latter will not be very bright. Because the latter course will cause the the GOP to again become the party of nihilistic gridlock. In which case the election of 2010, will be the end of the GOP clock. As that election will decimate the GOP, and tiny and shriveled will they submerge.

I hope phase three will result as the former, with GOP leadership totally different. As totally new doctrines of leadership on both the democratic and republican sides will result, and we can lose the petty politics
of divide and conquer, and embrace the politics of governmental competence and responsibility. Like all such changes, it must comes in jerks, shifts, and phases. And never as overnight epiphanies.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Hey look, it's yet another thread where the libs are trying to diagnose what's wrong with the opposition....and they still have no clue due to their own blinders and bias.


I have no doubt that SP is a "whack-job" to some in the GOP. Some in the GOP have abandoned Conservatism and thus will mock it at every turn.

 

[dennilfloss]

Hard to believe that neocon David Frum is the son of the great late Barbara Frum. :frown: Now that's naturalized, you Yanks can keep the scumbag. We don't need his ilk in Canada.

Still better than the Palinites though.Those moron fundies are downright scary. At least Frum has a brain and uses it, even if for right-wing trickle-down economic dickery.