Sarah the "Whack-Job"

[her209]

Originally posted by: Juddog
The Republican party is in a fix right now. Right at the time when they need to start collecting more of the moderates, you have windbag Rush Limbaugh calling people traitors and saying "good riddance".

Many of the moderate republicans I know are sitting this election out; they don't like Obama or his plans, but think Palin is a nut and that McCain is losing his mind. Their form of protest against the latest GOP pick is simply to sit it out.

So they're voting "present" is what you're saying.

 

[GTaudiophile]

People just need to go out and vote Ron Paul...even if that means writing him in

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
People just need to go out and vote Ron Paul...even if that means writing him in

Yep, atleast their vote will count as a Conservative vote instead of getting lost in the left of center pool of BHO.
I didn't and don't support RP2 but I will likely vote for/ write him in(or just vote Barr) to send a message that we need the GOP to ditch the spineless deadweight and get back to principles.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I have no doubt that SP is a "whack-job" to some in the GOP. Some in the GOP have abandoned Conservatism and thus will mock it at every turn.

Are you maintaining that Sarah Palin is the ideal Conservative?


I don't get this notion that your party's picks are somehow the "best" possible representatives of the platform. They didn't hold try-outs. There was no double-elimination, head-to-head competitions. No headhunters were called in.

SP was picked because she is a Republican and has a vagina. That may be a little crass, but that's 95% of the reason. She was meant to pick-up bitter Hillary supporters, which, at the time, would have put McCain in the lead. But then her history, actions, and ideas shot to the forefront, and even those few she probably did pick up were no match for the moderate, rational Conservatives she drove away. The tenets of Conservatism are not lies, deceit, inexperience, naievity, faux-indignation, and ignorance.

Take me. I'm no Democrat. I voted for Bush the first time (only because McCain didn't make it), then the Libertarian ticket. I deplore large government, excessive entitlements, "sharing the wealth" ideas, etc.

That said, there's no way I'd vote for JM/SP next week. He, for selling out whatever morals and high ground he may have once had - with his distortions, lies, and dirty campaigning. She, because she is a liar, a fraud, and grossly under-qualified for her very potential position. And the whole ticket for, all the while claiming to be Conservative - small government, free-market capitalists - pushing to Nationalize our banks, bailout industries that can't compete in the global economy, and to increase the size and of scope of the government.

There is no huge difference between the 2 tickets. They are both, to extents, pro-socialism and pro-big government. The difference is that Obama never claimed to be anything else, while JM/SP still claim to be everything but.

I'll take the asshole over the asshole-who-lies-to-your-face-and-thinks-you're-too-dumb-to-notice any day of the week.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I have no doubt that SP is a "whack-job" to some in the GOP. Some in the GOP have abandoned Conservatism and thus will mock it at every turn.

Are you maintaining that Sarah Palin is the ideal Conservative?

You must be to get that out of my statement. Nowhere did I say she was the "ideal Conservative" but she is a hell of a lot more Conservative than McCain and some of the spineless in the GOP.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Hard to believe that neocon David Frum is the son of the great late Barbara Frum. :frown: Now that's naturalized, you Yanks can keep the scumbag. We don't need his ilk in Canada.

Still better than the Palinites though.Those moron fundies are downright scary. At least Frum has a brain and uses it, even if for right-wing trickle-down economic dickery.

yup. agreed on all points.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: quest55720

Originally posted by: Juddog
The Republican party is in a fix right now. Right at the time when they need to start collecting more of the moderates, you have windbag Rush Limbaugh calling people traitors and saying "good riddance".

Many of the moderate republicans I know are sitting this election out; they don't like Obama or his plans, but think Palin is a nut and that McCain is losing his mind. Their form of protest against the latest GOP pick is simply to sit it out.

It is the moderates who will be blamed for the loss. The moderates got McCain nominated. The republican party will take a very hard turn back the the extreme right. I can't blame them they tried a moderate and are going to get destroyed. They see the democrats nominated a extremist and are going to win big time. The next republican running in 4 years will be as right or more right than palin is.

I agree with rush in a way it was the moderates who voted for McCain in the primaries. They should stick with their guy if they want to jump ship then screw who needs em.

But they DIDN'T try a moderate, not really. That he's not quite as far right as the rest of them doesn't, when you look at it from a distance, make a huge difference, and certainly Palin is pretty damn hardcore right, about as right as you can get.

He is the most moderate republican nominee in my life time. McCain is as moderate as the republican party will ever get. Just like Clinton was as moderate as the democratic party will ever get.

In 4 years don't be shocked when someone shares Palin's extreme right views is nominated. I don't like it either I was happy that the RR lost the party but that will be over November 5th. Us moderates and fiscal Conservatives had a shot and we blew it. Maybe in 20 years I will get another shot to vote for a moderate by either side.

bush 1 was pretty moderate.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Anyone wonder if it's possible that during the next four years, a new political party emerges?

i see the squabbles between the 'palin wing' and the 'romney wing' lasting a while, and i wouldn't be surprised to see one group leave the party if the other is nominated in 2012

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: quest55720
He is the most moderate republican nominee in my life time. McCain is as moderate as the republican party will ever get.

Either you are younger than even I thought, or you are forgetting President George Herbert Walker Bush.

Which is it?

I totally forgot about GHWB.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Anyone wonder if it's possible that during the next four years, a new political party emerges?

i see the squabbles between the 'palin wing' and the 'romney wing' lasting a while, and i wouldn't be surprised to see one group leave the party if the other is nominated in 2012

The problem is the Palin wing out numbers the Romney wing by a lot. I voted for Romney and I wish he could of been the VP. The problem is any republican needs the RR to win in november. The RR could never vote for a morman or what ever Romney is. I would love for the fiscal conservatives to break off and form a new party. The problem is it would mean democrats winning every election and having complete control.

 

[Jhhnn]

I totally forgot about GHWB.

Yeh- so did the Rush/ Hannity/ Palin wing of the party- lots of them voted for Perot, making Clinton the winner...

 

[HomerJS]

How can Sarah be a conservative when she practices socialism in Alaska?

 

[extra]

I don't get why being a whacky hardcore right winger is called a conservative. Would hitler have been a conservative? Hell no the guy was just nuts. People have completely lost their minds, they've forgotten what a real conservative even is. You know, someone for common sense based, factual, simple, plain, fair, government. Not stuff that intervenes in everyone's private lives or is overly concerned with religion, etc. Someone smart. When I think of a real conservative, which this country needs a bunch of in government imho, the LAST thing I think of is Palin. Sarah Palin isn't a conservative, she's like.. I don't know. A regressive, or something.

Oh, and sorry, but as others have pointed out, Bush Sr. was pretty moderate. So was, and I hate to say this, Nixon. In the grand scheme of things Obama is also pretty moderate, people just have completely whacked out ideas and make shit up, he's no socialist, hell he doesn't even want single payer healthcare.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I just can't imagine any sane person voting for the horrible woman for President. There must be a lot of her fellow whack-jobs out there. Well I know there is, they voted for Bush twice and are voting for McCain.

Seriously, is there talk of Palin running for president? That's astonishing. It's embarrassing enough in the world's eyes that she's a VP candidate. If a major party runs her for president, it's, well, unthinkable.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Hey look, it's yet another thread where the libs are trying to diagnose what's wrong with the opposition....and they still have no clue due to their own blinders and bias.


I have no doubt that SP is a "whack-job" to some in the GOP. Some in the GOP have abandoned Conservatism and thus will mock it at every turn.

Some have abandoned reasoned thought in order to embrace anything that moves and can be called Conservative.

Palin is not qualified to assume the role of President if the need arises.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: midway


If you 'moderates and fiscal conservatives' didn't let the wacko fundamentalists run your party you could be in a much better position. Crist, Romney, hell even Lieberman probably could have delivered this election for McCain.

Pandering to the far right is what will probably cost McCain the election.

You are deluded. No Rep could have pulled this off. Look, the economy's in the dumpster after 8 years of a Rep president. In the past similar scenarios (actually, this one is a once in a century meltdown!) have always meant a change of party. They chose Palin because they were desperate for something, anything that might alter the trainwreck they were seeing. It's only resulting in a bigger catastrophe. Myself, I'll be celebrating.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: extra
Sarah Palin isn't a conservative, she's like.. I don't know. A regressive, or something.

reactionary is the term you are looking for

 

[Dari]

"REAL" CONSERVATIVES TO HOLD MEETING AFTER ELECTION.

 

[midway]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: midway


If you 'moderates and fiscal conservatives' didn't let the wacko fundamentalists run your party you could be in a much better position. Crist, Romney, hell even Lieberman probably could have delivered this election for McCain.

Pandering to the far right is what will probably cost McCain the election.

You are deluded. No Rep could have pulled this off. Look, the economy's in the dumpster after 8 years of a Rep president. In the past similar scenarios have always meant a change of party. They chose Palin because they were desperate for something, anything that might alter the trainwreck they were seeing. It's only resulting in a bigger catastrophe. Myself, I'll be celebrating.

I'm glad McCain most likely won't win, I early voted for Obama and supported him in the primary (as a dem in a red state I strongly approve of Dean's 50 State strategy that Obama adopted for the most part, made my first donation to Obama last December). I won't let myself get excited and really happy until it's over though.

Strategically, I think that McCain's choosing of Palin as his VP eviscerated his campaign. Her complete lack of knowledge and preparedness undercut his entire 'experience' argument, and her scandals undercut any sort of character argument they could try to make. I could go into reasons why each of the others that I named would have been far more helpful to McCain but I'm really sleepy and don't honestly care that much, I'm quite happy he picked the diva whackjob fundy, she's the gift that keeps on giving.

I'm also paranoid about Republican election fraud and won't allow myself to smile until McCain has given his concession speech and 24 hours have passed without a retraction of it. Republicans don't have to actually get enough support to win, but they have to get enough to make 'upset' wins in states believable, whether those upsets come from voter caging, illegal purging, or just plain vote count alterations is immaterial.

 

[Dari]

She's a back-stabbing bitch that loves to shop:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...0/ooooooh-barracu.html

Ooooooh, Barracuda!

October 28, 2008 3:34 PM

Allies of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin are now trying to throw McCain aide Nicolle Wallace under the proverbial bus, and as they do so those in McCain?s circle are wary of the impact on Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., himself.

Since becoming McCain's running mate, there have been a host of issues where Palin publicly challenged decisions made by McCain ? withdrawing from competition in Michigan, for instance, or for not attacking Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for his longtime relationship with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (See "McCannibals," from earlier this week.)

But nothing has seemed so resonant as $150,000 in clothes purchased for Palin and her family by the Republican National Committee.

Palin has taken to blaming the entire incident ? as well as her introduction to the nation ? on her ?handlers,? presumably meaning Wallace, who was a key part of the team that handled Palin's successful announcement speech, her successful convention speech, and her interviews with Charlie Gibson, Sean Hannity and Katie Couric.

McCain allies say that Palin allies talked to Fox News commentator Fred Barnes to further throw Wallace under the bus. Barnes yesterday said, ?the person who went and bought the clothes and, as I understand it put the clothes on her credit card, went to Saks and Neiman Marcus...the staffer who did that has been a coward? for not coming forward and accepting the blame for the $150,000 shopping spree. Barnes clarified that he was talking about Wallace.

But Wallace didn?t buy the clothes, put the clothes on her credit card, or go to Saks and Neiman Marcus, sources on the McCain campaign say.

And plenty of people on the McCain campaign are mystified as to how the $150,000 charges were racked up.

Moreover, McCain campaign sources say, Palin has developed quite a reputation on the campaign trail for shopping.

During this controversy, McCain insiders were appalled to read a blog account from Nevada noting that the day before Palin held an event in Reno, ?Palin's assistant stopped in at the Ann Taylor at the Summit Sierra Mall and bought the skirt suit that she wore during to her speech Tuesday at the Reno-Sparks Convention Center. ?She bought a short, three-quarter sleeve jacket, a skirt and a couple other items,? store manager Suzette Ludden said.?

All the while, Palin herself has given the wardrobe story more media coverage by denying that she had anything to do with it.

"It is so nice to be back here in the Sunshine State and quite warm which I love and grabbed a jacket this morning to put on not realizing how warm it would be,? she said in Florida. ?My own jacket, yes?"

?This whole thing with the wardrobe you know I have tried to just ignore it because it is so ridiculous,? she continued. ?Those clothes they are not my property, just like the lighting and the staging and everything else that the RNC purchased. I am not taking them with me, I'm back to wearing my own clothes from my favorite consignment shop in Anchorage, Alaska.?

At McCain HQ, senior aides rolled their eyes, unable to believe that Palin was continuing to give the story more airtime.

And some Republicans are starting to now say they should have seen this coming, since Palin has a reputation for making friends who can help her and then screwing them over.

The list is long:

* Former Wasilla Mayor John Stein says he mentored Palin during her 1994 run for City Council. Then she decided to challenge him and run for Mayor. ?Things got very ugly,? Naomi Tigner, a friend of the Steins, told Salon.com. ?Sarah became very mean-spirited.? Palin allies suggested she would he ?Wasilla's first Christian mayor,? even though Stein is Protestant. Palin allies also whispered that Stein and his wife ? who hadn?t taken his name - were not legally wed. ?We actually had to produce our marriage certificate,? Stein said. His wife died in 2005 without ever reconciling with Palin. ?I had a hand in creating Sarah, but in the end she blew me out of the water,? Stein told Salon. ?Sarah's on a mission, she's an opportunist.?

* Former City Councilman Nick Carney also helped mentor Palin in her first city council run. They later had a falling out when Palin accused him of corruptly advocating that the city use his trash hauling business. ?The episode might serve as a compelling, if small-bore, example of Palin's reformer instincts,? the New Republic reported. :Except that, according to those who were present, Carney wasn't quite the crooked trash magnate Palin makes him out to be. For one thing, Carney couldn't have proposed the ordinance because he'd recused himself from the matter. The council, in fact, had asked him to appear as a kind of expert witness on the relevant rules and regulations.? Carney endorsed Stein in the 1996 mayoral race against Palin, and news reports say she subsequently as mayor refused to call on him. Carney told Salon that Palin ? without council authorization -- spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office. ?I braced her about it,? he said. ?I told her it was against the law to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote. She said, 'I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.?

* State Senate President Lyda Green from Wasilla, is a fellow conservative and was an ally of Palin?s throughout the 1990s. ?If you had looked at our résumés, as far as being pro-life, pro-N.R.A., pro-family, pro-parental control, saving taxpayer dollars, keeping government out of our lives, we would have been identical,? Green told the New Yorker. ?She traces the chill in their relationship to her decision not to endorse Palin in her 2006 gubernatorial primary. (She stayed neutral.)?

?The animosity became public last January, when Palin turned up on an Anchorage shock-jock radio program, ?The Bob and Mark Show.? Bob Lester said that he knew Palin believed Green was ?a bitch? and ?a cancer.? Palin laughed at the comments. ?Sarah can be heard in the background tittering, hee-heeing,? Green said, ?never saying, ?That?s not appropriate, let?s not talk like that, let?s change the subject,? or anything.? Green was devastated. ?I worked through it,? she said. ?The difficult thing about it was when my children read about it online. They were dumbfounded, because they had known Sarah. I had breast cancer in ?97 and had a radical mastectomy. Sarah certainly knew I had breast cancer, because she sent me flowers when I was ill.??

* Former Gov. Frank Murkowski made Palin the chair of a state commission overseeing oil and gas drilling. Four years later she challenged him ? and beat him ? for governor.

* Prominent Alaska conservative talk radio host Dan Fagan was a longtime friend. But he found himself on the outs after he criticized her for raising taxes on oil companies. ?He found himself branded a ?hater,?? the New York Times reported. ?It is part of a pattern, Mr. Fagan said, in which Ms. Palin characterizes critics as ?bad people who are anti-Alaska.??

**

Now, I don?t know what happened with all of these former allies. Certainly Murkowski was much-criticized. And certainly Palin views all these publications as left-leaning and hostile to her views.

But that said, all I can tell you is that some McCain allies are now quite suspect of Palin and worried that Sen. McCain is going to become just the latest Palin ally whom she uses ? and then discards -- in her rapid ascendance to power.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: midway

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: midway


If you 'moderates and fiscal conservatives' didn't let the wacko fundamentalists run your party you could be in a much better position. Crist, Romney, hell even Lieberman probably could have delivered this election for McCain.

Pandering to the far right is what will probably cost McCain the election.

You are deluded. No Rep could have pulled this off. Look, the economy's in the dumpster after 8 years of a Rep president. In the past similar scenarios have always meant a change of party. They chose Palin because they were desperate for something, anything that might alter the trainwreck they were seeing. It's only resulting in a bigger catastrophe. Myself, I'll be celebrating.

I'm glad McCain most likely won't win, I early voted for Obama and supported him in the primary (as a dem in a red state I strongly approve of Dean's 50 State strategy that Obama adopted for the most part, made my first donation to Obama last December). I won't let myself get excited and really happy until it's over though.

Strategically, I think that McCain's choosing of Palin as his VP eviscerated his campaign. Her complete lack of knowledge and preparedness undercut his entire 'experience' argument, and her scandals undercut any sort of character argument they could try to make. I could go into reasons why each of the others that I named would have been far more helpful to McCain but I'm really sleepy and don't honestly care that much, I'm quite happy he picked the diva whackjob fundy, she's the gift that keeps on giving.

I'm also paranoid about Republican election fraud and won't allow myself to smile until McCain has given his concession speech and 24 hours have passed without a retraction of it. Republicans don't have to actually get enough support to win, but they have to get enough to make 'upset' wins in states believable, whether those upsets come from voter caging, illegal purging, or just plain vote count alterations is immaterial.

I understand where you're coming from here. I was aghast after 2004 (Kerry was leading in the polls) and the crazy scene in Florida after NBC declared the election for Gore in 2000 that ultimately snatched "defeat from the jaws of victory" suggest it's wise for the Democrats to not drop their guard. In fact, they should stand over the knocked out Republicans with a loaded (and cocked) gun, finger on the trigger, watching for a twitch at least until January 20th. :laugh:

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Muse
-snip-
Look, the economy's in the dumpster after 8 years of a Rep president. In the past similar scenarios (actually, this one is a once in a century meltdown!)

Once in a century?

Nah.

Within the last 100 years we've the crashes of 1929, 1987 and 2000 (tech bubble).

It might be the worst of the 21st century (so far), but d@mn, we've got another +90 years before we'll know if there won't another/worse one coming.

Fernl

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I just can't imagine any sane person voting for the horrible woman for President. There must be a lot of her fellow whack-jobs out there. Well I know there is, they voted for Bush twice and are voting for McCain.

Seriously, is there talk of Palin running for president? That's astonishing. It's embarrassing enough in the world's eyes that she's a VP candidate. If a major party runs her for president, it's, well, unthinkable.

It's unthinkable that she'd ever win the GOP nomination. Her political career is dead at the national level for at least the next 8 years. It's very hard to shake the reputation as a laughingstock/lightweight once you get tagged like that. Look at Dan Quayle - his political career never recovered. The GOP's going to be looking for some new leaders, and Palin won't be among them.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I just can't imagine any sane person voting for the horrible woman for President. There must be a lot of her fellow whack-jobs out there. Well I know there is, they voted for Bush twice and are voting for McCain.

Seriously, is there talk of Palin running for president? That's astonishing. It's embarrassing enough in the world's eyes that she's a VP candidate. If a major party runs her for president, it's, well, unthinkable.

It's unthinkable that she'd ever win the GOP nomination. Her political career is dead at the national level for at least the next 8 years. It's very hard to shake the reputation as a laughingstock/lightweight once you get tagged like that. Look at Dan Quayle - his political career never recovered. The GOP's going to be looking for some new leaders, and Palin won't be among them.

Well I agree and disagree.

I think for the sane portion of the US, she's most certainly done politically. But I could see the R's running her again in 2012 out of desperation.

I mean the brand is already in the toilet and the ONLY people who'll reliably vote R no matter what are the people who think she's just fantastic.

 

[KGB]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I just can't imagine any sane person voting for the horrible woman for President. There must be a lot of her fellow whack-jobs out there. Well I know there is, they voted for Bush twice and are voting for McCain.

Seriously, is there talk of Palin running for president? That's astonishing. It's embarrassing enough in the world's eyes that she's a VP candidate. If a major party runs her for president, it's, well, unthinkable.

Meet the Unthinkable!

Okay, for extra credit, who here remembers Brent Bozell?

?Conservatives have been looking for leadership, and she has proven that she can electrify the grass roots like few people have in the last 20 years,? Mr. Bozell said. ?No matter what she decides to do, there will be a small mother lode of financial support behind her.?