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SAPPHIRE 4890 or ASUS 4890 or EVGA 260

Patrickz0rs

Senior member
Sapphire HD 4890 1GB GDDR5

Core Clock: 850MHz
Memory Clock: 975MHz
$169.99

or

Asus HD 4890 1GB GDDR5

Core Clock: 850MHz
Memory Clock: 3900 MHz ( 975 MHz DDR5 )
$180.00

or

GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Edition

Core Clock: 626MHz
Memory Clock: 2106MHz
$159.99

I have narrowed it down to these three graphics cards. I have seen so many benchmark tests but some I think are a bit "faulty". Anyone have an opinion on what to get? The 4890's have a lot faster core clock and GDDR5 compared to the GDDR3. Not sure what to pull the trigger on.

Thanks!
 
Honestly wait for the 57xx series. The performance will be on par (if not better) with the 4890, but include DX11, likely run cooler/use less power, and will be about the same price.
 
A 4890 will usually be faster than a GTX 260 so go for that. I know that's an overclocked 260, but even so a 4890 will overclock pretty nicely too so it'll have no problem being faster as long as you let it. You'd probably get more OC head room out of the ASUS but probably not enough to justify the extra cash.

I'd at least wait for 5770 reviews to see how it performs. It may actually be slower than the 4890 for all we know, but we don't know. It'll probably be out in a week or less. You might not find one anytime soon, but at least wait for a reviews and then decide whether you wanna wait for availability. But if not, definitely go for the 4890.
 
Originally posted by: Crisium
A 4890 will usually be faster than a GTX 260 so go for that. I know that's an overclocked 260, but even so a 4890 will overclock pretty nicely too so it'll have no problem being faster as long as you let it. You'd probably get more OC head room out of the ASUS but probably not enough to justify the extra cash.

I'd at least wait for 5770 reviews to see how it performs. It may actually be slower than the 4890 for all we know, but we don't know. It'll probably be out in a week or less. You might not find one anytime soon, but at least wait for a reviews and then decide whether you wanna wait for availability. But if not, definitely go for the 4890.

What brand out of the two? I really don't know too much about either. Seems like the 260 gets better reviews.
 
If you get a 4890, look into a Gigabyte or MSI made card, they replaced the cheap capacitors with higher quality ones to eliminate squealers. You should at least look into both of those brands and find out if they use custom capacitors or the reference design.
 
Originally posted by: TC91
What games do you play and what resolution?

Going to play L4D2, COD5, Batman. No crysis or anything that large. Nothing over anything 1200-1500 on the resolution.

I am leaning toward the 260 after reading some reviews. I get a really good price with the $10 off plus $15 with a combo deal.
 
you do not need to spend more than $100 on a video card if you are going to be playing on some 1990's monitor at 1280x1024, 1280x800, etc.
 
Originally posted by: alyarb
you do not need to spend more than $100 on a video card if you are going to be playing on some 1990's monitor at 1280x1024, 1280x800, etc.

Well I will be upgrading come Christmas time and my birthday.
 
the best thing then would be to use the integrated video on your motherboard for the time being. on black friday or some pre-christmas sale, get a radeon 5850 or 4770.


DO NOT BUY ANY of these obsolete cards that are on the market right now (especially when their value is about to plummet). DX11 parts are available right now, and faster models in your price range will be out very soon with completely new feature sets and radically reduced power consumption.

4890, GTX 260, GTX 275 are all terrible wastes of money. 6 months ago, they would've been good buys, but right this minute? terrible buys. we are on the threshold of the next generation. dx11, 40nm, big shaders, fast GDDR5...
 
Originally posted by: Patrickz0rs


I am leaning toward the 260 after reading some reviews. I get a really good price with the $10 off plus $15 with a combo deal.

What reviews? GTX 260 is slower then 4890, period. 4890 is about on par with GTX 275. So you "are leaning" towards the slower Nvidia card because it's 10$ cheaper then that 4890?
 
Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: Patrickz0rs


I am leaning toward the 260 after reading some reviews. I get a really good price with the $10 off plus $15 with a combo deal.

What reviews? GTX 260 is slower then 4890, period. 4890 is about on par with GTX 275. So you "are leaning" towards the slower Nvidia card because it's 10$ cheaper then that 4890?

So either of those 4890's will outperform the 260 oc? What brand is the better one?
 
they are both faster than the GTX 260, and they both have shitty heatsinks and short warranties and are not worth the money. wait for 5770.
 
Originally posted by: alyarb
they are both faster than the GTX 260, and they both have shitty heatsinks and short warranties and are not worth the money. wait for 5770.

The 5770's will be within the same price range? Also how long of a "wait" will this be?
 
Originally posted by: Patrickz0rs
Originally posted by: alyarb
they are both faster than the GTX 260, and they both have shitty heatsinks and short warranties and are not worth the money. wait for 5770.

The 5770's will be within the same price range? Also how long of a "wait" will this be?

they'll be out before you're ready to upgrade your monitor, so it shouldn't matter.



triple time warp. god damn it i give up
 
Originally posted by: alyarb
they are both faster than the GTX 260, and they both have shitty heatsinks and short warranties and are not worth the money. wait for 5770.

What the hell is so shitty about them? Did you even looked at them?
Besides the fact that they spit the hot air inside the case ( which some people don't care about anyway) they probably keep the card cooler and quieter then the stock vanilla heatsink. So really, there is nothing shitty about those two.
And you have no proof that 5770 will be on par with 4890. The 128 bit GDDR5 doesn't look good at all, it can become a bottleneck in some situations. It will probably be closer then 4870, then it will be of 4890.

If OP you can't wait any longer, to see if probably 5770 or whatever cards will be released soon, can become a better buy, I would go for that ASUS, since it just seems cooler and more overclockable.
 
dude, get a grip. he's going to be running 1920x1080, not 2560x1600.

4.8 GHz DDR5 is more than enough at 128-bit. my concern for him is the larger amount of compute power, new shader model, programming APIs and energy efficiency.

RV740 has been a great demonstration that a small (15-20GB/sec) discrepancy in memory bandwidth (compared to 4850) is not going to catastrophically break your high-res/AA performance, and the total number and clock freq of shaders is still the biggest determination of performance. The Radeon 4890 demonstrated this also because its high performance fab process allowed the core to achieve significantly higher clocks, meanwhile the difference in memory performance was smaller than even that between 4770 and 4850: The 4890 has a mere 9GB/sec faster memory than the 4870; the bulk of performance improvement with RV790 is not at all attributed to a mere 300 MHz bump in memory: it's in the core.

I understand your concern at very high res, but 1080p isn't very high res and as long as there's 80-90 GB/sec on 5770, he's going to be in great shape. the size and speed of the GPU are the primary concerns. i'm not saying he should commit to the 5770 before it comes out, but buying a premium-priced obsolete card is even more foolish. everyone considering a new GPU, at this time, should absolutely wait for reviews regardless of what the market looks like now because, fast or slow, the introduction of 5770 will result in a cascade of price reductions in all segments. in the very unlikely event that i'm horrendously wrong and 5770 ends up being a complete reversal of previously demonstrated architectural trends, then whatever, i was wrong, big deal. by the time that happens the 5850 will be around $250 and that's the card i'll be cramming down his throat instead.


but since i've come this far and said this much, i may as well lay out my prediction:

below 1900x1200, the 4890 is going to be surpassed by the 5770. at high res, turn up the filters a little bit and that behavior is going to begin to reverse, but I don't think a 4890 is going to put a 5770 to shame by any means.

you're talking about ~30% more GPU power and ~30% less memory bandwidth than 4890. it's going to be too close to call, so the more efficient, feature-packed card with higher net FLOPS wins.
 
Originally posted by: alyarb
dude, get a grip. he's going to be running 1920x1080, not 2560x1600.

First, you are the "dude" that should get a grip. Second,for your information, 1920X1080 it's a very demanding resolution. He will surely need a lot of memory bandwidth for that, something that GDDR5 on 128 bit will have problems to deliver.

I, again, do not think that 5770 is going to be faster then 4890, anyway you take it. It will run cooler, no doubt about it, it will be quieter and will suck way less energy, but it will end up slower. The biggest advantage is that it will probably be cheaper, but if it's going to be slower then 4890 it's not going to drop the old performer's price.
So, waiting for it, doesn't really look like a great idea, if OPs main concern is gaming.
 
at low-medium res, you're going to be surprised. at high res it'll be a wash, but RV840 is more efficient and better outfitted.

you can't simply compare and conclude on 128-bit memory vs. 256-bit memory. the clocks are much higher with RV840, and you're acting like the shader domain is going to stay the same size/speed. you make it seem like memory is everything and shaders mean nothing.

i'm shocked that you think it's a bad idea to wait just a few more weeks, as if you want him to buy the same performance at a higher price right this second even when his interim monitor is completely unsuitable.
 
Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: Patrickz0rs


I am leaning toward the 260 after reading some reviews. I get a really good price with the $10 off plus $15 with a combo deal.

What reviews? GTX 260 is slower then 4890, period. 4890 is about on par with GTX 275. So you "are leaning" towards the slower Nvidia card because it's 10$ cheaper then that 4890?

You were right. This card performs as well as the 275. I found this really good review of a very similar card by Asus. Only is 50mhz higher than the one on newegg but I could easily overclock it (even mentions that in the review). They have gotten it up to 1000.

Review here: http://hardocp.com/article/200...h4890_top_video_card/1
 
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