SAPPHIRE 4890 or ASUS 4890 or EVGA 260

[trake1]

As all have wisely advised, wait for the 5770, to be released Oct. 13th, at $159.00

http://www.madboxpc.com/amd-radeon-hd-5750-y-hd-5770/

 

[Cookie Monster]

October 13th is the date.

 

[Patrickz0rs]

Originally posted by: trake1
As all have wisely advised, wait for the 5770, to be released Oct. 13th, at $159.00

http://www.madboxpc.com/amd-radeon-hd-5750-y-hd-5770/

Wow that card looks really sick. I am for sure waiting. No doubt I would pick that up for $160

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: alyarb
at low-medium res, you're going to be surprised. at high res it'll be a wash, but RV840 is more efficient and better outfitted.

you can't simply compare and conclude on 128-bit memory vs. 256-bit memory. the clocks are much higher with RV840, and you're acting like the shader domain is going to stay the same size/speed. you make it seem like memory is everything and shaders mean nothing.

i'm shocked that you think it's a bad idea to wait just a few more weeks, as if you want him to buy the same performance at a higher price right this second even when his interim monitor is completely unsuitable.

There is no reasoning with you. 5770 is meant to replace 4870 and no matter the clocks, shader power or memory bandwidth, the card will end up slower then 4890.

Specs comparison:

5770 vs 4890

800 Stream Processors (both)
1.36 TFLOP (both)
GPU at 850MHz (both)
1GB GDDR5 a 1.2GHz (4.8 GHz efectivos) on 128 bits (4890 has 1 gb ddr5 @ 3.9 ghz on 256 bits)
Memory bandwidth 76.8GB/s (upsy 4890 has 125 gb/s)
Power consumption at idle: 18W (60 W for 4890)
Power consumption under load: 108W (190 W for 4890)
Rumored price: USD $159

So as you can see it, they have the same processing power after all, just that 5770 has a much lower memory bandwidth, which will make it end up slower then 4890. Memory bandwidth isn't everything, but in this particular case will make a big difference, especially at 1920X1080 with AA.
5770 has the power consumption on its side and dx 11, which in my opinion is nothing, since there is no dx 11 game on the market yet and who knows if this card will be able to be fast enough for dx 11 visual effects. So if the OP wants to wait for it, I'm not opposing, but 5770 doesn't just look that appealing to me as 4890, or as his much faster brother, 5850.

 

[aequasi]

alyard is being pretty blunt about this, however i kind of h or wait for a price drop on the 5850ave to agree, i have two 4890's and one of them blows a 260 out of the waqter, however i bought them two days after they came out. so yeah, right now id wait for the 5770, or 5750, especially with all the new technology coming out, id say by christmas. since the 5870x2 is coming out this month. or wait for a price drop on the 5850

 

[jlee]

My Vapor-X 4890 was $160 AR- reviews say that, when overclocked, it's at GTX 285-ish speed. I'm happy with it - didn't want to wait.

 

[error8]

As others have said, everytime you want to buy a videocard, there will be another one that might be better, or faster, or cheaper right around the corner. The waiting game is not a very productive one.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: alyarb
at low-medium res, you're going to be surprised. at high res it'll be a wash, but RV840 is more efficient and better outfitted.

you can't simply compare and conclude on 128-bit memory vs. 256-bit memory. the clocks are much higher with RV840, and you're acting like the shader domain is going to stay the same size/speed. you make it seem like memory is everything and shaders mean nothing.

i'm shocked that you think it's a bad idea to wait just a few more weeks, as if you want him to buy the same performance at a higher price right this second even when his interim monitor is completely unsuitable.

While is true that the RV840 will be more efficient, the difference isn't that great, I haven't seen a single scenario in which the HD 5870 can be twice as fast as the HD 4890. I believe that's because of a certain bottleneck or drivers aren't mature enough, so I don't think that the HD 5770 will be as fast as the HD 4890, it should run between the HD 4850 and the HD 4870.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: alyarb

4890, GTX 260, GTX 275 are all terrible wastes of money. 6 months ago, they would've been good buys, but right this minute? terrible buys. we are on the threshold of the next generation. dx11, 40nm, big shaders, fast GDDR5...

But what card will be better than 4890 at $170 anytime soon?

5770 will have same computational power with 128-bit memory bandwidth, so don't expect it to be outperform 4890.

Also 5850 itself is not much faster than 4890 (probably due to immature drivers)
http://www.firingsquad.com/har...ance_preview/page5.asp

 

[imported_Scoop]

The Radeon 5850 option.

 

[alyarb]

what happened to 1120 shaders? it's 800 now?

 

[error8]

Was it 1120 before? I only heard about 800.

 

[alyarb]

they brought the price way down too, they know it's going to have to be priced aggressively to beat the 4870. i'd wait for 5850 to come down to $200, and get that. buy it at the same time you get the monitor.

 

[RussianSensation]

5770 would have been a slam dunk if it had 1120 shaders and 256-bit memory interface at $199.99, completely destroying 4890.
5750 should have had 800-1000 at $149.99 and 256-bit memory interface, taking out 4870.
5730 could have been introduced with 800 shaders and 128-bit memory interface at $119.99 taking out 4850.

But I guess there is little pressure since NV has nothing on the table. This is really hurting the consumer.

 

[alyarb]

it's not hurting us as much as it hurts them. i would've gladly paid $180-200 for a 5770 rather than a 4890 if they got the shaders right, but they didn't. so i'm not getting either. waiting on 5850 to come down from its launch pedestal.

 

[v8envy]

We've seen this before with the X1600 and 8600 midrange cards. They were midrange in price only, offering only a small performance step up from the previous generation's midrange parts. Both vendors thought new features would justify upgrading. In both cases the lackluster cards were not best sellers.

At typical LCD resolutions (1080p, 1920x1200) this bad boy is going to be only slightly faster than a 4850. Anyone running an 8800GT or faster is going to have a rough time justifying an upgrade to this -- especially considering the several sub-$70 9800GT deals we've seen lately. 5850 definitely looks like the sweet spot.

 

[Patrickz0rs]

Originally posted by: alyarb
they brought the price way down too, they know it's going to have to be priced aggressively to beat the 4870. i'd wait for 5850 to come down to $200, and get that. buy it at the same time you get the monitor.

After looking at the review that was posted about the 5850 it looks like it will beat the 4890.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...nce_preview/page11.asp

What will be the starting price of a 5850? I have a $200 and under budget.

I would like to have a new graphics card by November 17th when L4D2 is released.

 

[error8]

5850 beats GTX 285, so really, 4890 is no match for it. They are in different leagues.

 

[happy medium]

The 5770 I believe was projected to be 199$ and almost as fast as a 4890 . The 5750 was projected at 159$, and slower then the 4890 for sure.

The OP said 22inch Asus monitor I thought they were 1650x1050?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...01309822582&name=22%22

I don't know where you guys get 1920x1080?

5770 would have to be as fast as a 4890 to be worth it
at 200$.

If he's gaming at 1650x1050 a 124$ 4870 1gb makes sense if the 5770 are 200$.
Direct x 11 will have a whole 3 games by end of the year.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: error8
5850 beats GTX 285, so really, 4890 is no match for it. They are in different leagues.

Ya of course 5850 is faster. But is too small of an upgrade from 4890 until drivers improve. However, they are also priced $90-100 from one another.

5850 is about 20% faster than 4890 at 1920x1200 4AA/16AF and 8AA/16AF

We need more intensive games to push 5850 to its true potential.

 

[Patrickz0rs]

Originally posted by: happy medium
The 5770 I believe was projected to be 199$ and almost as fast as a 4890 . The 5750 was projected at 159$, and slower then the 4890 for sure.

The OP said 22inch Asus monitor I thought they were 1650x1050?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...01309822582&name=22%22

I don't know where you guys get 1920x1080?

5770 would have to be as fast as a 4890 to be worth it
at 200$. Will the 5850 be in the $200 range or will I just be looking at the 5770?

If he's gaming at 1650x1050 a 124$ 4870 1gb makes sense if the 5770 are 200$.
Direct x 11 will have a whole 3 games by end of the year.

The monitor is here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236067

Recommended Resolution: 1920 x 1080

I will wait to the 5770 is released to see the specs against the 4890. Right now I can get a decent Asus 4890 - Very overclockable for around $200.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Patrickz0rs

Originally posted by: happy medium
The 5770 I believe was projected to be 199$ and almost as fast as a 4890 . The 5750 was projected at 159$, and slower then the 4890 for sure.

The OP said 22inch Asus monitor I thought they were 1650x1050?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...01309822582&name=22%22

I don't know where you guys get 1920x1080?

5770 would have to be as fast as a 4890 to be worth it
at 200$. Will the 5850 be in the $200 range or will I just be looking at the 5770?


:thumbsup: That works

If he's gaming at 1650x1050 a 124$ 4870 1gb makes sense if the 5770 are 200$.
Direct x 11 will have a whole 3 games by end of the year.

The monitor is here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16824236067

Recommended Resolution: 1920 x 1080

I will wait to the 5770 is released to see the specs against the 4890. Right now I can get a decent Asus 4890 - Very overclockable for around $200.

Seems the 5770 is only gonna have 800 sp's and is projected to be on par with a 4870. I guess they will release a 5830, to match the 4890.

 

[*kjm]

OP you may want to look local also (craigslist).... I just bought the 5870 and will be selling my XFX(960/1015) with warranty for $120...... just a thought.