Sandy Hook victims' families file lawsuit against gun maker

[Angry Irishman]

You're answering a question no one asked.

Well tough. I don't remember asking you or needing your approval. Your statement is in fact untrue and generally misleading. They don't use AR-15s which is not a military weapon.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Yeah I was AF SF and unless things have changed since I was in we were all using M16a2's.

Most have M-4s, in any case, they aren't armed with AR-15s.

 

[DCal430]

Guns like the ones used as Sandy Hook fire countless bullets per second, with each bullet being a potential kill. Why is this necessary? It isn't, and shouldn't be allowed.

 

[Fenixgoon]

They should, weapons of mass murder don't have a legit purpose. They shouldn't be sold and marketed.

so indulge me - in your opinion, what makes an AR15 a weapon of mass murder compared to similarly styled rifles or even a semi auto pistol?

 

[z1ggy]

Then you need to pull your head out of the sand. Car companies do get sued if a vehicle has safety issues and are released/sold for public use. If anything his analogy backs up this lawsuit based on the claims they are making. Now weather they can uphold those claims is another argument.

Except that this isn't the case for the rifle. The rifle is released in perfectly good, working condition and presents no safety concerns to the users, or the public.

However, that is until somebody decides to use it to kill people. So, if that's the logic here, then I could sue Ford for some nut purposefully crashing a perfectly fine Ford car into my family, killing them.

Do you honestly think Ford would be at fault there? Uh, no. Just like Bushmaster should not be at fault over the deaths of these kids.

 

[Jaepheth]

Guns like the ones used as Sandy Hook fire countless bullets per second, with each bullet being a potential kill. Why is this necessary? It isn't, and shouldn't be allowed.

Pretty sure the number of rounds per second is both countable, and bounded.

 

[QuantumPion]

They should, weapons of mass murder don't have a legit purpose. They shouldn't be sold and marketed.

Sports cars have no legit purpose. All cars should have a maximum of 100 hp and speed limited to 65 mph. It doesn't matter if you think they are fun. Fun is not a legit purpose of a dangerous tool.

Video cards have no legit purpose. They are used by hackers to mine bitcoins for illegal black market purposes. All CPU's and GPU's should be limited to 100 GFLOPS. It doesn't matter if you use GPU's for games, that is not a legit purpose for a tool which can be used for illegal purposes.

Soda has no legit purpose. They have no nutritional value and just make people fat. Also they are addictive. All sodas should be banned. For the children.

Cigarettes have n...oh wait nevermind we get shit tons of tax revenue from cigarettes. Carry on.

 

[z1ggy]

Is Dcal related to McOwned? Sounds like a uber liberal troll.

 

[adairusmc]

Guns like the ones used as Sandy Hook fire countless bullets per second, with each bullet being a potential kill. Why is this necessary? It isn't, and shouldn't be allowed.

Since ARs are in common use, there is nothing you are going to be able to do about it.

I have some extra money, I think I just might go pick up another AR today just because. My 18 month old son needs another Christmas present after all.

It is always nice adding another one to the collection. If I don't have room in the safe, I can always take out one of the older AR configurations I have and sell it in the local paper, should be a quick sale if I decide to do that. A lot of people around here like to buy there due to no 4473 being needed.

 

[bshole]

I believe the lawsuit is better targeted at the NRA who have done everything in their power to ensure that mentally unstable people are not deprived of their access to guns.

 

[moonbogg]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30484531

Oh my goodness. This has got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read, and ive been on the internet for 15 years. They are suing the gun manufacturer for making a gun? Which I would like to add, is just a glorified .22. These people are absolute idiots! What happened had nothing to do with the manufacturer, or the retailer (or even the owner), a mentally deranged individual acquired a long range weapon and used it against innocent civilians, thats it.

Sorry, but a center fire .22 is not a long range weapon. Its a medium range plinker.

 

[momeNt]

In a way, it would be a good thing for gun manufacturers to be held liable for the products they create. Same goes for knives, or other things that can be used as weapons but are not normally considered so.

These costs get passed on to consumers, and it becomes liability insurance that pays for itself. It's a lot easier to get restitution in a civil suit from the gun manufacturer than the shooter....

 

[Jimzz]

Except that this isn't the case for the rifle. The rifle is released in perfectly good, working condition and presents no safety concerns to the users, or the public.

However, that is until somebody decides to use it to kill people. So, if that's the logic here, then I could sue Ford for some nut purposefully crashing a perfectly fine Ford car into my family, killing them.

Do you honestly think Ford would be at fault there? Uh, no. Just like Bushmaster should not be at fault over the deaths of these kids.

Was the car made to kill? Is the Gun made to transport you?

I was not arguing the merits of the case, just pointing out that his analogy actually supports the filing of the lawsuit, not the lawsuit merits.

 

[piasabird]

You can kill a person with a piece of fire wood.

 

[adairusmc]

Was the car made to kill? Is the Gun made to transport you?

I was not arguing the merits of the case, just pointing out that his analogy actually supports the filing of the lawsuit, not the lawsuit merits.

The gun wasn't made to kill. It was made to fire a metallic cartridge using a chemical propellant to propel a metal projectile accurately at high speed.

 

[Jaepheth]

Sorry, but a center fire .22 is not a long range weapon. Its a medium range plinker.

I don't think any of the recent active shooters in the US have engaged targets at more than short range. (<50yds)

Only medium range (>100yds <500yds) shooters that come to mind are DC Sniper and UT clock tower. And they didn't use high volumes of fire.

I'm not aware of any instances where the long range capabilities of a modern rifle have been utilized in a criminal action. (Outside of douche nozzles who shoot randomly into the air)

 

[DCal430]

A gun has a single purpose to cause devastation.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Then you need to pull your head out of the sand. Car companies do get sued if a vehicle has safety issues and are released/sold for public use. If anything his analogy backs up this lawsuit based on the claims they are making. Now weather they can uphold those claims is another argument.

I could see a gun manufacturer getting sued if, say, they had a major issue with the safety not working - even though one of the cardinal rules of gun safety is to never count on the safety to prevent a gun discharging. Or if the gun had a flaw in the barrel that could result in the gun ripping itself apart. But I can't see how you could sue the company because some insane / evil person goes off on people in a mass shooting.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Guns like the ones used as Sandy Hook fire countless bullets per second, with each bullet being a potential kill. Why is this necessary? It isn't, and shouldn't be allowed.

Countless????? It's stupid statements like this that makes you one of the laughingstocks of this forum.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Darn straight on the cig revenue. The pig mayor of NYC specifically ordered cops to go after people selling black market cigs to get around the oppressive tax.

Sports cars have no legit purpose. All cars should have a maximum of 100 hp and speed limited to 65 mph. It doesn't matter if you think they are fun. Fun is not a legit purpose of a dangerous tool.

Video cards have no legit purpose. They are used by hackers to mine bitcoins for illegal black market purposes. All CPU's and GPU's should be limited to 100 GFLOPS. It doesn't matter if you use GPU's for games, that is not a legit purpose for a tool which can be used for illegal purposes.

Soda has no legit purpose. They have no nutritional value and just make people fat. Also they are addictive. All sodas should be banned. For the children.

Cigarettes have n...oh wait nevermind we get shit tons of tax revenue from cigarettes. Carry on.

 

[FerrelGeek]

In a way, it would be a good thing for gun manufacturers to be held liable for the products they create. Same goes for knives, or other things that can be used as weapons but are not normally considered so.

These costs get passed on to consumers, and it becomes liability insurance that pays for itself. It's a lot easier to get restitution in a civil suit from the gun manufacturer than the shooter....

So we need this for hammers?????

This is just stupid. Taking away responsibility from the perp.

 

[FerrelGeek]

A gun has a single purpose to cause devastation.

You have a single purpose - being used as an example of why certain people shouldn't be allowed to procreate.

 

[Jimzz]

The gun wasn't made to kill. It was made to fire a metallic cartridge using a chemical propellant to propel a metal projectile accurately at high speed.

Might want to tell bushmaster that. Go to their site and they talk about how its "intimidating looks", light weight, and ability "hunting varmints to stalking big game" is what its made for.

So its a intimidating looking gun that can kill small to large living things easily seems to be what's its made for.

 

[z1ggy]

Was the car made to kill? Is the Gun made to transport you?

I was not arguing the merits of the case, just pointing out that his analogy actually supports the filing of the lawsuit, not the lawsuit merits.

The thing is, the guns that are actually made to kill things, aren't used in mass killings. I'm talking about your 30-06 bolt action rifles, your .308, etc etc.

The media is vilifying the civilian plinker-use AR-15 because it's convenient to their agenda, and they get suckers to believe it.

The guns that are truly made to kill things, ie for hunting animals and for military use, are rarely involved in things like Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc.

 

[momeNt]

So we need this for hammers?????

This is just stupid. Taking away responsibility from the perp.

Every manufacturer would be responsible for the damage it could potentially cause.

It's not taking responsibility away from the perps, but it is helping grant restitution to those who are harmed. Perps would still do the time, but monetary restitution is almost impossible unless you make the manufacturers of instruments that can be used to do harm at least monetarily responsible.