Sandy Hook victims' families file lawsuit against gun maker

[OutHouse]

Will this open the door to people suing car companies involved with fatal accidents too?

What if it's not an accident but vehicular homicide? Can they sue the car company then?

Fail.

 

[MrPickins]

Fail.

How so?

I feel it's a valid analogy.

 

[MrPickins]

I wonder if they realize the AR15 wasn't made for military use?

While I was at his house, my grandad (93 years old :thumbsup: ) was watching Rachel Maddow talk about this today, and she was using the terms "AR-15" and "M-16" interchangeably.

Luckily for MSNBC (and Fox News), people on the extremes don't care if their media gets its facts straight.

 

[kage69]

A waste of time and money, effectively to make a controversial statement on a grand scale.

Pity we can't have this kind of attention for a real discussion on mental health wrt violent crime and guns.

 

[kage69]

I wonder if they realize the AR15 wasn't made for military use?

Guarding Air Force bases and serving as aircrew survival weapons isn't military use?

 

[rudder]

Pathetic lawsuit, it's terrible they are trying to cash in on that tragedy.

Although, people did sue McDonalds because their coffee was too hot and won, so, there is precedent for winning stupid lawsuits.

Well the coffee that burned the old lady was served at 180-190F. By contrast the coffee you drink at home is about 130F. At 180f a liquid will cause full thickness burns in 2-7 seconds. McDonalds kept the coffee at those high temps based on consultants recommendations and never really looked into possible dangers of serving coffee that hot. In the previous decade there were hundreds of cases of people being burned by serving coffee at those high temps so McDonalds was aware of the problem.

The person who should be sued in this case is Adam Lanza's mom... But she probably does not have much of an estate left to sue.

 

[Moonbeam]

They're called nukes and lots of people have them now.

Probably not good.

OK then. So if we foster the mentality that safely from the bad guy lies in owning a gun then everybody will want a gun. So now the good guys and the bad guys are equally armed and the only way for the good guys to win is to have a better gun. And now the bad guy is going to want a better gun than that till everybody has nuclear arms and some psychopath somewhere says it time to end the game. You have to look at things a bit deeper to see that the gun religion isn't such a good idea. Outlawing weapons is just a way to save humanity from extinction.

 

[Vaux]

Well the coffee that burned the old lady was served at 180-190F. By contrast the coffee you drink at home is about 130F. At 180f a liquid will cause full thickness burns in 2-7 seconds. McDonalds kept the coffee at those high temps based on consultants recommendations and never really looked into possible dangers of serving coffee that hot. In the previous decade there were hundreds of cases of people being burned by serving coffee at those high temps so McDonalds was aware of the problem.

The person who should be sued in this case is Adam Lanza's mom... But she probably does not have much of an estate left to sue.

Ok lets use an analogy here.

I buy a knife from a knife shop. I know knives are dangerous when I bought it. I know damage can result to me if I were to drop this knife on myself. So then I accidentally drop the knife on myself, and instead of getting a small cut, I get a deep cut that requires surgery.

Can I sue this knife maker because the knife he made was unusually sharp?

Or is that totally ridiculous?

 

[Moonbeam]

Ok lets use an analogy here.

I buy a knife from a knife shop. I know knives are dangerous when I bought it. I know damage can result to me if I were to drop this knife on myself. So then I accidentally drop the knife on myself, and instead of getting a small cut, I get a deep cut that requires surgery.

Can I sue this knife maker because the knife he made was unusually sharp?

Or is that totally ridiculous?

No, you get to sue him because the promotional Twinkies you got when you bought the knife did nerve damage to your grip.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Guarding Air Force bases and serving as aircrew survival weapons isn't military use?

Air Force security use M-4s primarily.

 

[ivwshane]

While I was at his house, my grandad (93 years old :thumbsup: ) was watching Rachel Maddow talk about this today, and she was using the terms "AR-15" and "M-16" interchangeably.

Luckily for MSNBC (and Fox News), people on the extremes don't care if their media gets its facts straight.

Actually she showed the history of the name and explained the ar-15 was for civilian use and the m-16 was the military version of that weapon. Did you miss her point?

 

[kage69]

Air Force security use M-4s primarily.

You're answering a question no one asked.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Guarding Air Force bases and serving as aircrew survival weapons isn't military use?

the AR15 is the civilian (semi-auto) version of the M16 (select-fire) military rifle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

on top of this fact, the AR15 is the most popular rifle in america by far. Thus, giving the ruling in Heller vs. DC, I don't see how you could specifically ban it, or failing that, ban semi-auto rifles as a class.

Also, any semi-auto pistol will do just as much damage (if not more) to unarmed civilians than an AR15, so the choice of firearm is practically irrelevant.

The event was tragic, and I'm guessing the lawyers are taking advantage of the family's grief to get them some money.

 

[ivwshane]

the AR15 is the civilian (semi-auto) version of the M16 (select-fire) military rifle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15

on top of this fact, the AR15 is the most popular rifle in america by far. Thus, giving the ruling in Heller vs. DC, I don't see how you could specifically ban it, or failing that, ban semi-auto rifles as a class.

Also, any semi-auto pistol will do just as much damage (if not more) to unarmed civilians than an AR15, so the choice of firearm is practically irrelevant.

The event was tragic, and I'm guessing the lawyers are taking advantage of the family's grief to get them some money.

No, the lawyers are acting on the plaintiffs request to enact change in this country. They are doing the same thing others have done, including businesses like hobby lobby, who enacted change through the courts.

 

[OutHouse]

Air Force security use M-4s primarily.

I seem to remember turning in my M-16a1 for a brand new fresh out of the wood create still wrapped in paper and smeared with the mfg grease M-16a2.

 

[Vaux]

I seem to remember turning in my M-16a1 for a brand new fresh out of the wood create still wrapped in paper and smeared with the mfg grease M-16a2.

Yeah I was AF SF and unless things have changed since I was in we were all using M16a2's.

 

[Fenixgoon]

No, the lawyers are acting on the plaintiffs request to enact change in this country. They are doing the same thing others have done, including businesses like hobby lobby, who enacted change through the courts.

because no plaintiff lawyer is ever motivated by money alone, right?

 

[MrPickins]

Actually she showed the history of the name and explained the ar-15 was for civilian use and the m-16 was the military version of that weapon. Did you miss her point?

Honestly, I was only halfway listening, as I was visiting with family.

I didn't hear the entire segment, but what I did hear was her imply that the two weapons were the same thing, something which is demonstrably false.

Let me know when an (unmodified) AR-15 can fire auto or burst.

 

[DCal430]

They should, weapons of mass murder don't have a legit purpose. They shouldn't be sold and marketed.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They should, weapons of mass murder don't have a legit purpose. They shouldn't be sold and marketed.

Well let's start with North Korea! Completely disarm the Dear Leader and save hundreds of thousands of lives.

 

[Smoblikat]

Totally irrelevant

No its not. They want to ban the AR-15 but leave guns like the Ruger 10-22 on the shelf. Its absolute nonsense.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Pathetic lawsuit, it's terrible they are trying to cash in on that tragedy.

Although, people did sue McDonalds because their coffee was too hot and won, so, there is precedent for winning stupid lawsuits.

In that particular case, McDs was shown to have made their coffee unreasonably hot. And the initial award for the suit was reduced substantially in appeal - don't remember by how much though, but it was reduced.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Asked

The important issue is "Can I use this to paint all liberals as being stupid?"

And answered

No but you can paint yourself stupid since you insist on assuming that this has anything to with all liberals.

A gun is an inanimate object. It will sit there until it is rendered useless by time, dust, and rust. It only becomes deadly when it is in the hands of the crazy, stupid, or malevolent.

Lawyers are famous for taking advantage of people's grief for their own greed.

 

[FerrelGeek]

They should, weapons of mass murder don't have a legit purpose. They shouldn't be sold and marketed.

A hammer could be a weapon of mass murder, as could a baseball bat, meat cleaver, prybar, car, gasoline, fertilizer....

It's a dangerous world outside your door, dear boy. How on earth do you cope?

 

[Jimzz]

How so?

I feel it's a valid analogy.

Then you need to pull your head out of the sand. Car companies do get sued if a vehicle has safety issues and are released/sold for public use. If anything his analogy backs up this lawsuit based on the claims they are making. Now weather they can uphold those claims is another argument.