Sandy Bridge - So why is chip DRM okay but Serial # wasn't?

[wanderer27]

Okay, I guess a few folks are starting to see things in a different light.

Guess I was just a bit too early :

http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/1/7/intel-insider-tech-risks-monopoly-accusations/

 

[DNorth]

Obvious Troll Is Obvious !

"meaning that video streamed over the Internet can be encrypted and piracy made significantly more challenging."

until someone rips it and bungs it on ahhh im not even gonna bother.

 

[wanderer27]

That's twice in this thread now that this has been brought up.

Can you not read the title and the Articles linked?

This thread is in regards to onchip DRM and now possible Anti-Trust issues as well (basically supporting my allusion to Collusion earlier as well).

If these issues are of no concern to you just keep on moving - you're a bit short in the Tooth here to be calling out Trolls . . . .


Not quite how I'd like to meet newer members on here :\

 

[fuzzymath10]

Most DRM is seamless (at least in my somewhat limited use) so I'm ok with it if it doesn't screw up anything it isn't supposed to.

e.g. blu-ray: my discs work in my PS3, my laptop with a BD-ROM drive, my desktop with a BD-RE drive, and my parents' Sony Blu-ray player. I can't make copies using my BD-RE drive without some "adjustments" but should I really be doing that? If I was so inclined I could output on component or VGA/D-sub and use some digitizer and get decent quality copies if I had too much time on my hands. Not many folks have DVI screens without HDCP (which was a bigger pain a few years ago) and as long as the digital chain has the protection you don't really notice.

e.g. netflix(.ca): Streams work from my PS3 and every computer I have. Sure I can't save any file but that would be like renting a VHS tape from blockbuster and copying it before I return it. Just not something you should be doing. Again, analog recording is still an option.

Basically DRM forces you to not do something you initially had the choice to do but probably shouldn't have been doing anyway. We still have analog outputs and therefore with enough patience you can still make copies (just not quite as perfectly or as quickly but is that such a big deal?). This could disappear soon but there are still tons of folks using old SD composite cords

As long as other personally identifiable items aren't being shared, having DRM in hardware isn't a big deal and if it is enough of a big deal you can choose not to use the product.

 

[wanderer27]

The thing is, in most countries you have the Right to make backups of your Software.

DRM is intended to protect from Piracy, but really all these new implementation schemes are doing is taking away your Rights and bestowing them onto the Vendor.

The DMCA actually makes it illegal to circumvent DRM.

So basically DRM is an end-around to taking away your rights.

Now I realize the DMCA doesn't apply to all Countries (yet), and I have to keep reminding myself that these Forums are used by many different Countries, but I do recall seeing something several months back where pressure was being applied to the Canadian Government to adopt the DMCA.


This DRM/DMCA is tangent to what I originally posted here (Modelworks cleared a bit of my confusion on that).
This last link I posted is just showing that there may be more here than just a new feature.
When you have mention that the US and EU may look into Anti-Trust issues, well, something's going on there then.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I don't download movies illegally so i'm really not all that concerned about it.

+1

 

[BladeVenom]

+1

I'll repeat myself, "Pirated media has the DRM removed. The only people that are affected by DRM are those who pay for content."

 

[tcsenter]

When you have mention that the US and EU may look into Anti-Trust issues, well, something's going on there then.

Nobody is looking into anti-trust violations.

 

[wanderer27]

Nobody is looking into anti-trust violations.

I just said "may", from the gist of the article that's the impression I get:

Sadly, there's a hidden flaw in the plan - and it's one that the anti-monopoly commissions in the EU and the US are likely to pay close attention to: as the name suggests, Intel Insider is an Intel technology.

Look, I'm impressed with the new chip, you can see by my sig that I'm probably way over due for an upgrade.

Things like this really bother though, that's why I brought it up.



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[Soulkeeper]

I hate DRM also

bump.

 

[tcsenter]

I just said "may", from the gist of the article that's the impression I get...

Well if I said that AMD is being investigated for anti-Christ accusations, does that mean its true? Would it get you to read and spread my article on numerous forums if I said AMD is the anti-Christ?

 

[Cogman]

I'll repeat myself, "Pirated media has the DRM removed. The only people that are affected by DRM are those who pay for content."

True, until the content media changed from Bluray+ to SuperDuperBluray and big media decides to kill off all legacy media.

Though, that will probably never happen like big media wants it to. They move WAY to slow to actually stop piracy (And for good reason, they don't want to alienate every grandmother who just barely decided it was time to get a DVD player after they couldn't find Matlock on VHS).

However, this is old news. Vista first started with the DRM, and now most GPUs have this feature tacked on to them.

When they will run into issues is when they start forcing people to use big media encoder x to put stuff on their Iphones. At that point, the monopoly charges will fly.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I'll repeat myself, "Pirated media has the DRM removed. The only people that are affected by DRM are those who pay for content."

I am not affected, all my DRM titles work fine.

Only ones I hear whining about DRM..are pirates.

 

[Sable]

Well, I really don't see myself downloading Movies either - it's really cheaper just to buy them.

Wait, what?

 

[wanderer27]

Well if I said that AMD is being investigated for anti-Christ accusations, does that mean its true? Would it get you to read and spread my article on numerous forums if I said AMD is the anti-Christ?

Good point, but you're not a Reporter.
If you were and made such baseless accusations your credibility wouldn't be worth much.

The article I linked is from a credible source, and is actually being referenced from other news sites in regards to the issue.

Intel did just settle a suit with AMD on antitrust issues.
The EU is/was looking into Intel and their purchase of McAfee on antitrust issues - especially the possible integration of "security features" into their chips (sounds a bit similar to me).


You are right though.
At this point it is all conjecture, only time will show if it amounts to more than that.


The short of it is, this is wasted Silicon that doesn't really benefit the Customer.
Throw in a Kill Switch.
Now add QuickSync - a useful feature that doesn't function with P67 and off chip graphics.

Nothing's odd about this to anyone else?


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[wanderer27]

Wait, what?

I generally buy used DVD's.

For me it's cheaper than renting/downloading from NetFlix or whoever as I can pretty much watch it whenever I want for as long as I want (no re-rent/re-download).

Movies that I know I'll never watch again I resell.
Can't really do that with a rental.


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[Voo]

Only ones I hear whining about DRM..are pirates.

So the only ones whining about DRM.. are those that get the media WITHOUT it? Uh yeah, that makes totally sense.

And all your DRMed media works totally fine with VLC under linux or on old dvd players? Wow that's great, you wouldn't mind sharing how you're actually doing that for lesser mortals?

 

[tcsenter]

Good point, but you're not a Reporter.

Neither is this guy who wrote the article. He's more like a blogger who gets paid to write mediocre stories or articles. i.e. about.com

If he doesn't have a law degree, then he's probably not a credible source for legal commentary on the salient issues of anti-trust litigation or action.

 

[Lonbjerg]

So the only ones whining about DRM.. are those that get the media WITHOUT it? Uh yeah, that makes totally sense.

And all your DRMed media works totally fine with VLC under linux or on old dvd players? Wow that's great, you wouldn't mind sharing how you're actually doing that for lesser mortals?

Pirates are scared that all material will be DRM in such a manner it can't be broken.

And I couldn't care less about Linux.

 

[BladeVenom]

Pirates are scared that all material will be DRM in such a manner it can't be broken.

LOL! It always gets cracked.

The people who don't like it are those worried about consumer rights. They don't want to have to download a pirated copy to make use of something they bought. This was exacerbated by the DMCA which made it illegal break copy protection even for personnel use.

 

[piesquared]

Well, I really don't see myself downloading Movies either - it's really cheaper just to buy them.

That doesn't mean I want all this superfluous crap on my systems either though.


I'm just really surprised I'm not seeing much fuss about this really anywhere.
I remember the Serial Number event, and it turned out to be a pretty big issue.

Now here, we basically have collusion with the MPAA and everyone's just meh . . . ?


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And just remember how the community lambasted Vista for it's DRM. Of course there's no surprise that intel is touting it as a good thing, and certain parts of the media are pimping it, especially with Anandtech being a virtual subsidiary of intel. The regular intel shills and viral marketeers are spread out all across the popular forums making excuse after excuse for this infestation claiming it's a good thing for consumers.

 

[RobDickinson]

This wont change a thing.

Those that pay for streaming media will still pay for streaming media and not even notice it has some funky drm under the hood.

Those that illigaly download will still do it.

I'm fed up of buying DRM protected media and being restricted in how I can use it.

 

[Voo]

I couldn't care less about Linux.

Ah, so everything works perfectly fine.. as long as you use exactly the devices recommended by the big movie bosses, buy the newest ones every few years and under absolutely no circumstances try anything but the stuff the new overlords planned. Hey that sounds great, where can I sign up?

Pirates are scared that all material will be DRM in such a manner it can't be broken.

Ah yeah and next they'll invent the perfect OS where all security concerns are a thing of the past and tomorrow we'll heal cancer and live forever! No, honestly you really think there'll be any accepted DRM that will make piracy a thing of the past? Extremely unrealistic, considering how complex software is, how easy even slight mistakes can be used and the chances that no inside information will ever see the day of light.

Oh and obviously considering the overall level of incompetence we're talking about, something will always come up. The best way to keep stuff like this safe, is not to get all the serious people agitated about it - sony showed how it worked with Other OS.. and how easy you can lose that bonus again (using the same "random generated variable" for every key? that's a stroke of genius).

 

[xxsk8er101xx]

these fears about the processor is just - it made me understand faux better. Just buy it and be happy.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Ah, so everything works perfectly fine.. as long as you use exactly the devices recommended by the big movie bosses, buy the newest ones every few years and under absolutely no circumstances try anything but the stuff the new overlords planned. Hey that sounds great, where can I sign up?

You must mistake me for someone that care about linux.
Pick the right tool...again not my problem.

Like I use to say:
Linux is only free if your sparetime has no value.

Ah yeah and next they'll invent the perfect OS where all security concerns are a thing of the past and tomorrow we'll heal cancer and live forever! No, honestly you really think there'll be any accepted DRM that will make piracy a thing of the past? Extremely unrealistic, considering how complex software is, how easy even slight mistakes can be used and the chances that no inside information will ever see the day of light.

You have a problem with paying for a comodity?
If not you does you post read like a hidden defence for pirates?

Oh and obviously considering the overall level of incompetence we're talking about, something will always come up. The best way to keep stuff like this safe, is not to get all the serious people agitated about it - sony showed how it worked with Other OS.. and how easy you can lose that bonus again (using the same "random generated variable" for every key? that's a stroke of genius).

I sense much fear in you.

Knock it off the attitude, Lon. This isn't Video
-ViRGE