Sandy Bridge Reviews

[Soccerman06]

u serious?
^_^

Well no, but my rev c is at 1.41v

 

[aigomorla]

You call the SB absolute bullshit. Why?

Are the claimed improvements we see in the previews not really there? Are they so fragile that Intel is going to reduce the warranty? You don't call it a minor improvement, not even on par with current choices. You choose to call it absolute bullshit as if its the worst possible choice someone buying a computer could ever make.

Not everyone has a six core cpu running at 4GHz. Consider that. Most people are still on S775 or P4s, Athlon 2 or even original Athlon and PIIIs.

and what is with the "real man" cpu? Is Sandy Bridge only for gays?

its a step towards the laptop in desktop fashion.

Remember back ago when we threw socket 478 on a desktop board and cranked it?

Its doing that all over again. Thats why im calling it BS.

Sure if that's your niche.. dont let me stop you...


And if your going after Overclocking and the raw performance aspect of it.
Do you think your really going to use that IGP? ^_^

Do you really think your going to notice a lot of difference in speed if any from an i7 lga1156 vs a lga1155 that it would merit an upgrade?

do you think it was fair for intel to even release a 1156, bring a large portion of the mainstream into that platform and then screw everyone by EOLing it in 2 yrs?
We going back to socket 423?

As you can see i wasnt too happy with 1156 being retired out by 1155.
I think you 1156 users should be given a gulftown, but instead intel said no.. were making u upgrade to a new platform entirely and still you guys get no gulftown variant.

You dont think thats BS from a pure consumer point?

and dont get me started on the 990X and 995X.... *goes crys... i want my g3 SSD's dammit*

 

[mnewsham]

its a step towards the laptop in desktop fashion.

Do you really think your going to notice a lot of difference in speed if any from an i7 lga1156 vs a lga1155 that it would merit an upgrade?

do you think it was fair for intel to even release a 1156, bring a large portion of the mainstream into that platform and then screw everyone by EOLing it in 2 yrs?

As you can see i wasnt too happy with 1156 being retired out by 1155.
I think you 1156 users should be given a gulftown, but instead intel said no.. were making u upgrade to a new platform entirely and still you guys get no gulftown variant.

You dont think thats BS from a pure consumer point?

As an 1156 owner i can say the 1155 socket has annoyed me in that i assumed the socket would be supported for SLIGHTLY longer and would get some 22nm love even. However, I will probably end up getting a 2011 socket later this year (maybe early 2012)... it feels bad knowing that my socket is essentially dead, luckily I can afford a good 2011 build and wont feel so left out. I will probably end up throwing this computer to my brother and let him run it into the ground. -1 to Intel for killing of a socket before it's time, but +1 to Intel for socket 2011 and it's potential.

 

[edplayer]

I will overclock my next cpu and I think I will be OK with the SB. I don't plan on using the IGP but it doesn't bother me that it is there. I'm not one of those nuts that think Intel should refund me money for not using it.

Speed difference between an i7 LGA1156 vs the new? Probably small but I don't have either so I don't know for sure. I'll ask you this. How many computer users are on a i7 LGA1156 or better cpu?

My guess is less than 5%. What is yours?

And as for the quick socket change, I don't think in terms of it being fair or not. Intel is a business and I'm a consumer with choices. Lets take your example of a person with an i7 LGA1156. Maybe the performance difference between that is small so they shouldn't be too concerned about Sandy Bridge. Doesn't make sense to think Intel screwed you out of an upgrade path AND think the performance increase is small at the same time now does it? I mean, it should be one or the other.

If its both, the problem lies with the person. Likely, what one would call a "bitch". One that complains about everything. TVs, cars, clothes, ipods and tons of other things. They all do the same thing. Small changes every year. If you have the best of the previous year, and take the time to bitch about small changes for next year, you need something better to do with your life. Like help out at a homeless shelter or the animal shelter, go start a community garden, visit some kids at the cancer ward at the hospital. Really, a MILLION things better to do in life than complain about something so minor.

 

[aigomorla]

I will overclock my next cpu and I think I will be OK with the SB. I don't plan on using the IGP but it doesn't bother me that it is there. I'm not one of those nuts that think Intel should refund me money for not using it.

Speed difference between an i7 LGA1156 vs the new? Probably small but I don't have either so I don't know for sure. I'll ask you this. How many computer users are on a i7 LGA1156 or better cpu?

My guess is less than 5%. What is yours?

And as for the quick socket change, I don't think in terms of it being fair or not. Intel is a business and I'm a consumer with choices. Lets take your example of a person with an i7 LGA1156. Maybe the performance difference between that is small so they shouldn't be too concerned about Sandy Bridge. Doesn't make sense to think Intel screwed you out of an upgrade path AND think the performance increase is small at the same time now does it? I mean, it should be one or the other.

If its both, the problem lies with the person. Likely, what one would call a "bitch". One that complains about everything. TVs, cars, clothes, ipods and tons of other things. They all do the same thing. Small changes every year. If you have the best of the previous year, and take the time to bitch about small changes for next year, you need something better to do with your life. Like help out at a homeless shelter or the animal shelter, go start a community garden, visit some kids at the cancer ward at the hospital. Really, a MILLION things better to do in life than complain about something so minor.

So basically your saying... im not on 1156 so it doesnt apply to me, but its how america works..

Nice...

And you think 5%?
http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/13443-lga1156-to-get-to-30-percent-by-years-end
A thread here talking about it:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2067781

And did i say refund?
All i mentioned was a better END..
32nm i7 1156's... and a single Gulftown...

And how does your last statement apply to anything?
Are you implying im a bitch? Because ive been called a lot worse.

 

[edplayer]

How America works, yes, its choices. You think its bullshit, I think it is the exact opposite. No one is forcing you to buy Sandy Bridge. If the government said you had to buy Sandy Bridge, THAT would be bullshit.

A lot of us on this forum are in the United States. We are fortunate to have so many choices available to us. I've seen how people from other countries have to pay much more or have a small selection. When Sandy Bridge comes out, there will still be S1156 and S1366 available, even some S775. Along with Phenoms and Athlon IIs. Plus we have access to tons of people selling used products. So no, I don't think its bullshit, its awesome.

IF you were on S1156, would you feel that SB is only a small upgrade or that Intel screwed you out of your upgrade path? Or both?

And for the last part, its clearly written. I didn't obfuscate anything. Do you see yourself as a chronic complainer? If not, none of it matters to you. If you do, there are some suggestions on other things to focus on.

 

[edplayer]

And yes, I still think less than 5%

I skimmed that fudzilla link you posted. Is that supposed to make me think that more than 5% of PC users have an i7 1156 or better? Maybe you can expand on that.

 

[Markfw]

Simple. They put an GPU in with the CPU ? I won't buy it.

 

[Sp12]

Simple. They put an GPU in with the CPU ? I won't buy it.

At least, until F@H has a decent GPGPU client for integrated.

 

[Markfw]

At least, until F@H has a decent GPGPU client for integrated.

Well, there is a grain of truth there...But I do other things with some of my boxes.

Bottom line is, I like the choice of mixing and matching and upgrading. Integrated doesn't let me do that. Its like buying a propriety computer, I can never upgrade. (almost never)

 

[beginner99]

All in all rather disapointing. Mainly performance/watt improvments hence higher clockspeeds possible but @ same clockspeed, well no big difference at all.

Reviews shows that starcraft 2 obviously is CPU bound probably in most situations. Not unexpected to me.

 

[toyota]

I guess there will never be a jump again like there was from the Pentium D to the Core 2 duo? even the early Core 2 models were nearly twice as fast clock for clock.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Why would people complain about LGA 1156 not having an upgrade path. We have two options, either Intel designs a larger more future prof socket that jacks up prices or we use the current model. I'm fine with the current model since Intel publishes thier road maps years in advance and lets us know the life of sockets. I didn't go anywhere near LGA 1156 because I knew it only had roudly 2 years of life.

I'm buying LGA 1155 because I have a very limited choice in the matter. I'm still running a P4 right now that's 6 years old and I can't use this PC any longer for anything more than web or office work. It's LGA 775 that isn't upgradeable to duel core. I couldn't install a Pentium D let alone a Core2.

Well, there is a grain of truth there...But I do other things with some of my boxes.

Bottom line is, I like the choice of mixing and matching and upgrading. Integrated doesn't let me do that. Its like buying a propriety computer, I can never upgrade. (almost never)

That GPU core isn't going to stop you from upgrading anything, at least on Intel's side. Since Nvidia seems to disable features of their cards when AMD cards are present in systems.

I'm not a fan of IGPs but at least now then IGP will get an upgrade with the CPU. No more using the same mass produced chip for a couple of years then sitting in a mobo for a couple of more. And when Intel finally support OpenCL & Direct Compute on that GPU core it's going to be a great boost for more software to adopt GPGPU performance.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

As you can see i wasnt too happy with 1156 being retired out by 1155.
I think you 1156 users should be given a gulftown, but instead intel said no.. were making u upgrade to a new platform entirely and still you guys get no gulftown variant.

You dont think thats BS from a pure consumer point?

Most people (even on this forum) don't need a 6-core gulftown so they really don't care that one isn't being released. Anyone content with 1156 will just wait for 2011, but then what? A year after we get Haswell then after that Rockwell, both probably requiring a new socket. Will you call Haswell BS as well?

 

[Gillbot]

Most people (even on this forum) don't need a 6-core gulftown so they really don't care that one isn't being released. Anyone content with 1156 will just wait for 2011, but then what? A year after we get Haswell then after that Rockwell, both probably requiring a new socket. Will you call Haswell BS as well?

tell that to everyone in this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2130030

 

[StinkyPinky]

I really don't get the logic here. So if it is not some high-end super cpu people wont buy it?

S1155 is an excellent choice for S775/Phenom or below owners. IMO, people that are currently buying S1156 are crazy. Why would you buy it? It's slower, it doesn't clock as high, it's a dead socket, and it uses more juice per cycle. And come xmas next year it is likely you can slot in a nice cheap 6-core 22nm cpu in the s1155 motherboard.

It's the totally logical upgrade for people that have old quad or dual core cpus. Is it the only choice? No, you can wait for S2011 and its extreme price tag, but for those of us on a budget that don't need 8 core beasts that sit idle 99.9% of the time....seems a no brainer to me. Not everyone is rendering or crunching data all day.

 

[edplayer]

All in all rather disapointing. Mainly performance/watt improvments hence higher clockspeeds possible but @ same clockspeed, well no big difference at all.

To me it looks like:

Faster (base clocks), faster (clock 4 clock), more power efficient, cheaper, more overclocking potential.

Why the disappointment?

 

[edplayer]

It's the totally logical upgrade for people that have old quad or dual core cpus. Is it the only choice? No, you can wait for S2011 and its extreme price tag, but for those of us on a budget that don't need 8 core beasts that sit idle 99.9% of the time....seems a no brainer to me. Not everyone is rendering or crunching data all day.

Yes. Of course the S2011 will be better. But they aren't free. I'd be willing to buy one if they started around $200. Will they? I doubt it. I'd love to get an 8 core cpu with quad memory channels. But I wouldn't pay $1000 for it.

tell that to everyone in this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2130030

Can I mass PM them or should I do it individually? :biggrin:

Very few people need a six core gulftown. Lots of people want them. Very few actually buy them.

 

[Gillbot]

Can I mass PM them or should I do it individually? :biggrin:

Very few people need a six core gulftown. Lots of people want them. Very few actually buy them.

I still maintain that the average pc user doesn't even need more that 1 core. Grandmothers and soccer moms on facebook outweigh most i'd bet, and regardless of what we on this site believe, you dont need multiple cores for freecell.

 

[edplayer]

maybe thats true but I read a thread here about someone using an older computer and trying to get youtube working (at the lowest level, 360 res) ended up thinking that a 1GHz cpu should be baseline.

So with hd video becoming the norm pretty soon. I'm thinking dual core will probably be what most people need at a minimum soon unless they want to stick to emails and word processing only.

 

[Gillbot]

maybe thats true but I read a thread here about someone using an older computer and trying to get youtube working (at the lowest level, 360 res) ended up thinking that a 1GHz cpu should be baseline.

So with hd video becoming the norm pretty soon. I'm thinking dual core will probably be what most people need at a minimum soon unless they want to stick to emails and word processing only.

How many people really care about HD video though? Think of the masses that all their PC does is email and freecell at most. Hell, my niece has my wifes old Dell laptop and she uses it for school just fine without a single issue.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

The US needs far better broadband penetration and faster speeds before people start worrying about HD playback on the web.

 

[edplayer]

64.6974%?

I don't know. I'm talking about stuff embedded on internet websites, not watching HD tv shows or the like. And I don't mean that it has to be 1080p, just better than the crappiest selection that youtube has.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

That's what I mean. Higher quality means longer download times. My rig can do 1080p, but the download is so slow I hardly ever bother (even with 720p).

 

[StinkyPinky]

Yes. Of course the S2011 will be better. But they aren't free. I'd be willing to buy one if they started around $200. Will they? I doubt it. I'd love to get an 8 core cpu with quad memory channels. But I wouldn't pay $1000 for it.

Dude...read what I said. I'm agreeing with you.