Sandy Bridge E vs Ivy Bridge

[RussianSensation]

I agree with you IB is going to have alot of headroom so Intel's gonna be able to play with frequency/turbos to make it perform where it wants without killing there higher end. I predict that Intel is going to try and replace the SB 2500K with a dual core IB + HT that will be faster then 2500k at single thread and within 90% at multi-thread at a price point of around $140. The 4 core IB will probably come without HT and be faster then the 2600K at both single and multi-thread and be priced around $216.

Unless Bulldozer blows away 2500k/2600k, that's not going to happen. Intel likes to maintain its price brackets (i.e., doesn't lower them) on their mid-range chips (or most chips for that matter). They simply replace old SKUs with new faster SKUs at the same price. In other words the $220 2500k price will be occupied by "3500k" IB, and $320 price by a faster "3600k" IB. Intel isn't going to drop these prices to $140 and $220. That's not how the company operates. If you followed Intel for the last 10 years you probably would know that. They'll do everything possible to keep those prices as they are in order to maintain their 60% profit margins.

If AMD proves extremely competitive, they'll simply release much faster clocked IB chips. With the amount of headroom on their current 32nm 2500k/2600k, Intel has tons of room to play with to maintain their rigid pricing.

 

[Dylie]

SNB-E/s2011 (sick socket name for a 2011 release eh...and I bet there 2011 pins to boot...just too cool) ===> platform exceeds current requirements and will allow further upgrades in the coming years

IVB/s1155 ====> Processor capabilities can perhaps exceed the platform and will have trouble down the road.

The way I think about the 600 dollar SNB-E is like Im getting a 2600k for 300 and then paying 300 for socket features.

The X79 is much more scalable than Z68 and a helluva lot more than P67.

I just ordered my Z68 build to replace my good ol' AMD Opty 165 (Denmark) machine that has been dominating, raping, and pillaging for half a decade.

I wanted the 2600k and a vid card. I got a 2500k sans vid card. Why?

In an effort to lower cost and use the cash to increase SSD size I cut them out along with my extra 8GB of RAM. I decided I was going with ASRock Fatality board since it seems that ASRock has the best intel boards right now and thats their top dawg. After reading up on it I saw that it will be able to do both Ivy Bridge and PCI-E 3.0.

I think to myself, "getting the 2500k instead not only saves money now but will allow me to throw the 3500k in when it comes out and only speed 100 more than getting 2600k now and also I could get the 3600k if I am not satisfied with my VM performance on the 2500k." (VMs being the reason I was leaning 2600k in the first place).

I do have a AMD 5750 or maybe its 5770 in my old build (im going for quiet pc since the opty build was loud as hell) but I feel like it will totally ruin my quiet project so I was hoping to get the XFX black edition dual fan 6870 mainly as a noise upgrade (heck and while at it why not get double fps...). But after seeing that I can upgrade to Ivy Bridge and have access to PCI-E 3.0 I decided I would wait to get a vidya card when one was first available, Im assuming it will be 8xxx series and not 7xxx but who knows.


I still feel shaky about both of those decisions, but like I said I do have the other card around if I really cant stand Intel 3000 and coming from the Opty 165 I realize that the 2600k over 2500k in VM performance wouldnt even be significant moving up from such a slower machine. The same is kind of true of graphics performance. I bet if I popped the card in I would instantly start seeing +10 or more FPS in games because a lot of them seem to be CPU bound in a lot of cases these days.

Now that the background info is covered....

s1155 offers a nice upgrade path or me since I can dominate the 2500k for a year without worries of high Vcore and shortend life etc, then upgrade to IVB and have it last for 3 years like my upgrade from single core 939 athlon 64 to dual core 939 opty. That was like one of THE first dual cores and it performed admirably up until now when dual cores themselves are almost completely phased out. Also around the time I will truly be NEEDing a video card update I will be able to get the hot new PCI-E 3.0 card and actually run it in that mode unlike my current situation of a PCI-E 2.0 card in a PCI-E 1.0 slot.

s2011 offers an even nicer upgrade path because it protects against future bandwidth issues. Sure I only have 1 SATA 3 SSD now, but hell if the price drops and speeds rise then I am sure I will keep wanting to get more. Couple multiple SSDs and 2 of the PCI-E 3.0 equivalent of the 6990 and boom! Mad bandwidth issues. Im not totally clear, but does the DRAM also share bandwidth with those devices? If it does then clearly bandwidth might become even more of an issue. It also allows for 32GB RAM(64 if someone would make a 8GB stick already) which is nice because RAM is cheap as hell right now and it makes me kind of sad that for 250 dollars a Z68 board is saturated with the best memory available. Thats the main reason I knocked off my second 8GB kit. If I had got it, then I was kind of stuck, atleast now if lower latency (7) 1833 sticks come out I can jump on board where it wouldnt make a whole lot of sense to get 4 sticks of 1833 to replace 4 sticks of 1600, thats a plain waste of money. Atleast now it might make some sense, but still probably just a waste of cash.

Basically the s2011 makes a lot more sense if you plan on starting with a lot of devices and upgrading to more (2 vid cards to 4 or 2 SSD to 4). On s1155 you risk getting more hardware than you can handle whereas s2011 has you covered. My last build more or less lasted in its original state for 5 years (i upgraded from 2gb of ram to 4gb and got the 5750 when I switched to windows 7 to run 64 bit and aero lol and got some extra HDD drives at various points). This is a more viable possibility with s2011 than with s1155 because of the bandwidth and memory supremacy.

 

[386DX]

Unless Bulldozer blows away 2500k/2600k, that's not going to happen. Intel likes to maintain its price brackets (i.e., doesn't lower them) on their mid-range chips (or most chips for that matter). They simply replace old SKUs with new faster SKUs at the same price. In other words the $220 2500k price will be occupied by "3500k" IB, and $320 price by a faster "3600k" IB. Intel isn't going to drop these prices to $140 and $220. That's not how the company operates. If you followed Intel for the last 10 years you probably would know that. They'll do everything possible to keep those prices as they are in order to maintain their 60% profit margins.

IB is initially going to be release for the low end/mid-range chip according to Intel's Road Map. If the latest road map is accurate IB is going to replace the 2500K and lower price point while SB-E is going to replace the 2600K and higher price point. That means by the time IB is release the 2500K and 2600K CPU's will be no more. This is why I predicted that Intel will release an 4C/4T IB at the $216 price point (replace the 2500K) with roughly the performance of the current 2600K CPU. And at the lower end a $140 ish 2C/4T IB that will replace the i3-2120 price point that will give you roughly the performance of the current 2500K. There is no way Intel is going to release an IB @ $216 to replace the current 2500K one year later and not have it faster. And its been in Intel's track record to basically offer a one price tier performance boost when they release a new CPU, ie. the new $200 CPU will give you roughly the same performance as the previous $300 CPU, the new $300 CPU will roughly give you the same performance as the previous $600 CPU, etc.

Margins shouldn't be a problem with IB since its going to be cheaper to produce then SB (in the long run). And keeping IB initially at the 2 and 4 core low/mid-range should help with getting a healthy yield while they improve there process before the higher end IB comes out in the later part of 2012.

 

[RussianSensation]

This is why I predicted that Intel will release an 4C/4T IB at the $216 price point (replace the 2500K) with roughly the performance of the current 2600K CPU. And at the lower end a $140 ish 2C/4T IB that will replace the i3-2120 price point that will give you roughly the performance of the current 2500K. There is no way Intel is going to release an IB @ $216 to replace the current 2500K one year later and not have it faster. And its been in Intel's track record to basically offer a one price tier performance boost when they release a new CPU, ie. the new $200 CPU will give you roughly the same performance as the previous $300 CPU, the new $300 CPU will roughly give you the same performance as the previous $600 CPU, etc.

I think I misunderstood you then. We pretty much said the exact same thing.

 

[tweakboy]

Im fine. comp never reaches 100 percent load only in Crysis 2 it goes to 100 percent Every other game, COD BO , Mass 2 take up any where from 30 to 70 percent.

Soo it hasnt been choked, no need to upgrade until 2017. DAW runs incredible. games run @ 60fps and never come down no matter what game... soo a upgrade for me is useless. Well get my dad a Sandy when hes ready to upgrade.