So, nobody else finds it at all disturbing that now game prices and development times are going to go up because they can't leave unused content or code in place for fear that modders might reenable it and change the experience in some way that might "offend" someone?
Exactly how often do you think game makers leave pornographic content in their games? I hope it's not as often as you think, because it would imply way too many people are spending time and money making the content in the first place.
Uh, no. When you're writing software, you plan for as many features as possible and cut them because they turn out stupid (as this one did) or pointless or you can't make them work properly.
Don Vito Corleone
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This seems really stupid to me - it's like rating a PG-13 movie R based on scenes that were left on the cutting room floor. I also think it's pretty stupid that deleted, non-explicit sex scenes warrant a more mature rating than the graphic violence that were already present in the game. And why are they changing the ratings of the console editions, which do not allow you to enable "Hot Coffee"?
In the larger sense, though, I think this should always have been an Adults-Only title in the first place. I don't think most parents even understand there are video games nearly as evil as the GTA series. I love the games, but I think they are best left to adults.
In the larger sense, though, I think this should always have been an Adults-Only title in the first place. I don't think most parents even understand there are video games nearly as evil as the GTA series. I love the games, but I think they are best left to adults.
I've seen 1 or 2 other instances in my poking around game files. I won't mention which ones because I don't care to see other titles go through the same thing.
That would be too tame for my tastes. I'd consider that a failure. GTA is significantly more raunchy and violent relative to its peers than scarface is to its modern equivalents.
Phoenix86
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So you also believe violent rated R movies should receive rated X?
This game is NO worse than many R rated movies. What you're asking for would shake up the ENTIRE etnertainment industry.
Seriously, do you realized how many movies receive R for violence? Those flicks wouldn't make it to the big screen with X ratings. Think about the consequences of what your asking for...
Anyways, what are the aspects of GTA that make it x-rated? In-game examples please
And in American Psycho, Christian Bale f**ked, killed and ate his nude prostitutes and that was rated R.
And in American Psycho, Christian Bale f**ked, killed and ate his nude prostitutes and that was rated R.
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
So you also believe violent rated R movies should receive rated X?
This game is NO worse than many R rated movies. What you're asking for would shake up the ENTIRE etnertainment industry.
Seriously, do you realized how many movies receive R for violence? Those flicks wouldn't make it to the big screen with X ratings. Think about the consequences of what your asking for...
A movie like Scarface? Yes. A movie that has some violence that is key to the plot, R is fine. GTA is a game that strives to be as violent and derogatory as possible. It's nothing but violence and illegal activity. I have no problems with these games being developed, so don't misunderstand my intentions. However, I do think they should be clearly marked as for adults only. If a parent still buys it for their kids, then it's their problem.
Also, before this, I was under the impression that M = AO. I don't see why there are two levels when there is only one year in between.
Phoenix86
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Adult only=never going to be made, unless it's done on a porn flick budget.Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
So you also believe violent rated R movies should receive rated X?
This game is NO worse than many R rated movies. What you're asking for would shake up the ENTIRE etnertainment industry.
Seriously, do you realized how many movies receive R for violence? Those flicks wouldn't make it to the big screen with X ratings. Think about the consequences of what your asking for...
A movie like Scarface? Yes. A movie that has some violence that is key to the plot, R is fine. GTA is a game that strives to be as violent and derogatory as possible. It's nothing but violence and illegal activity. I have no problems with these games being developed, so don't misunderstand my intentions. However, I do think they should be clearly marked as for adults only. If a parent still buys it for their kids, then it's their problem.
Also, before this, I was under the impression that M = AO. I don't see why there are two levels when there is only one year in between.
So you'd be OK with movies such as Scarface, Untouchables, <insert drug/mafia movie> Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, <insert quentin tarantino flick>, Saving Private Ryan, <insert just about all war movies> having NEVER been made because they would receive an X rating?
Do you realize "adults only" is the death knell of ratings, right?
edit: adding American Psycho, Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal.
All of these are TOP rated movies. I'd hate to have never seen these made because of a BS rating system.
Yeah, I'd be fine with those movies having received different ratings. If a director/writer/author/etc really wants a movie made, it will be made. Not everyone makes movies for money. There are independents out there that make movies because they enjoy making them.
This isn't really a big deal to me. I really don't care what way it goes with GTA. I chimed in my opinion because I felt like it but I'm not fierce about it and I don't care to argue it anymore.
This isn't really a big deal to me. I really don't care what way it goes with GTA. I chimed in my opinion because I felt like it but I'm not fierce about it and I don't care to argue it anymore.
Okay then, so we end up with every single game out there being EA-style prefab nothing-new-and-original drivel. A good game will start out with a list of 20-30 new, original features. As development goes along, due to testing and sometimes problems getting it to work PERIOD, all but a handful of those will be dropped. If you're going to plan "conservatively" as you say you should, you don't have that list of 20-30 new, original features. You have nothing, and you turn out a cookie-cutter game in record time.
scorpmatt
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I said nothing about making the game with no new features. But if you want a top selling game with the best crap thats available you dont want your programmers to throw in stuff that is exploitable and ruin your companies name. I never said cut features out. content yes
This is just outrageous...freakin Hilary Clinton and her cronies.
The damn thing requires a freakin mod/hack in order to enable it. This would be the same level of effort as downloading a new "x-rated" map for Half-Life, Doom3, etc.
While the developers should be scolded for having the content in game and having it be so easily re-enabled, they should not have to change the rating on ALL copies of the game just because a hack can be enabled on it. Just outrageous.
The damn thing requires a freakin mod/hack in order to enable it. This would be the same level of effort as downloading a new "x-rated" map for Half-Life, Doom3, etc.
While the developers should be scolded for having the content in game and having it be so easily re-enabled, they should not have to change the rating on ALL copies of the game just because a hack can be enabled on it. Just outrageous.
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Adult only=never going to be made, unless it's done on a porn flick budget.Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
So you also believe violent rated R movies should receive rated X?
This game is NO worse than many R rated movies. What you're asking for would shake up the ENTIRE etnertainment industry.
Seriously, do you realized how many movies receive R for violence? Those flicks wouldn't make it to the big screen with X ratings. Think about the consequences of what your asking for...
A movie like Scarface? Yes. A movie that has some violence that is key to the plot, R is fine. GTA is a game that strives to be as violent and derogatory as possible. It's nothing but violence and illegal activity. I have no problems with these games being developed, so don't misunderstand my intentions. However, I do think they should be clearly marked as for adults only. If a parent still buys it for their kids, then it's their problem.
Also, before this, I was under the impression that M = AO. I don't see why there are two levels when there is only one year in between.
So you'd be OK with movies such as Scarface, Untouchables, <insert drug/mafia movie> Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, <insert quentin tarantino flick>, Saving Private Ryan, <insert just about all war movies> having NEVER been made because they would receive an X rating?
Do you realize "adults only" is the death knell of ratings, right?
edit: adding American Psycho, Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal.
All of these are TOP rated movies. I'd hate to have never seen these made because of a BS rating system.
Maybe I'm wrong about scarface, but none of those other movies really pushed the limits of what was conventionally shown in mainstream movies the way GTA pushes the limits of what's shown in video games. A more apt analogy might be Clockwork Orange, which in fact did receive an X rating initially. Or Last Tango in Paris.
ANY disused part of code could potentially be reactivated in a way to "sexify" the game. This is the principle on which damn near all major modifications are based. Therefore, you can't have any unused code hanging around. An example will follow below.
scorpmatt
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if the code is unused by any feature of the game, why is it there? you want your game to get exploited? unless you purposely leave the code there to add your own mods later. then you run the risk of allowing hackers to find that exploit and well, exploit it
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Adult only=never going to be made, unless it's done on a porn flick budget.Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
So you also believe violent rated R movies should receive rated X?
This game is NO worse than many R rated movies. What you're asking for would shake up the ENTIRE etnertainment industry.
Seriously, do you realized how many movies receive R for violence? Those flicks wouldn't make it to the big screen with X ratings. Think about the consequences of what your asking for...
A movie like Scarface? Yes. A movie that has some violence that is key to the plot, R is fine. GTA is a game that strives to be as violent and derogatory as possible. It's nothing but violence and illegal activity. I have no problems with these games being developed, so don't misunderstand my intentions. However, I do think they should be clearly marked as for adults only. If a parent still buys it for their kids, then it's their problem.
Also, before this, I was under the impression that M = AO. I don't see why there are two levels when there is only one year in between.
So you'd be OK with movies such as Scarface, Untouchables, <insert drug/mafia movie> Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, <insert quentin tarantino flick>, Saving Private Ryan, <insert just about all war movies> having NEVER been made because they would receive an X rating?
Do you realize "adults only" is the death knell of ratings, right?
edit: adding American Psycho, Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal.
All of these are TOP rated movies. I'd hate to have never seen these made because of a BS rating system.
Maybe I'm wrong about scarface, but none of those other movies really pushed the limits of what was conventionally shown in mainstream movies the way GTA pushes the limits of what's shown in video games. A more apt analogy might be Clockwork Orange, which in fact did receive an X rating initially. Or Last Tango in Paris.
maybe but does GTA push beyond the limits of whats shown in a rated R movie?
no
violence-wise i don't think so
compare it to doom, mortal kombat, resident evil it is no more violent
sexually yes but still hasn't pushed farther than any rated R moview
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