Samsung to build 14nm chips next year

[Arachnotronic]

Anyway in the end no matter how better your process is, if your product isn't good enough, you lose, and that's what Intel has been experiencing in the mobile market for years, though they are obviously now getting better.

This.

If process were all that mattered, TSMC's gross margins would be higher than that of its fabless customers.

There is plenty of value in good design work, from the micro-architecture to the physical design.

 

[Homeles]

A government cant add anything the market cant solve for it selves and bring to product in right time.

Have you not heard of the almighty dollar?

Here, I'll help you out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

The are no words to express how absurd your statements have been in this thread. Economics lie at the heart of semiconductor device manufacturing. Why do we not have 10nm today? It's not because of physics, it's because of money. No 450nm? Money. You can accelerate the development of nearly anything by throwing more money at the problem.

 

[krumme]

This.

If process were all that mattered, TSMC's gross margins would be higher than that of its fabless customers.

There is plenty of value in good design work, from the micro-architecture to the physical design.

We dont know the cost side of Intel proces tech.
In practice its very difficult to totally separate design cost from production cost as there is a great overlap in the prodution technology.
So even if Intel was on the same market as tsmc it would be difficult to meassure exact differences. Even for Intel.
The tight integration of design and production is where Intel holds the biggest advantage. Its technological but it gives an disadvantage on the business model vs the tsmc model and arm ecosystem.

 

[witeken]

FYI: R&D is expensive. The story for 450mm wafers is very simple -- right now, the cost:benefit ratio for investing in 450mm wafer development is not worth it. This will change as time goes on.

Where do you get that from? R&D takes time and the roadmap says it will happen in ~2018 (7nm).

Most of the 20-100b brain nerves have each about 10.000 connections and ability to send different signal types. On top of it it constantly evolves in connection with all other brains. A transistor is a meager simple tech compared to that.

Please don't compare those 2 things, they're not apples to apples. A neuron is in fact meager evolutionary biology compared to a 14nm state of the art transistor. Or can your brain compute 60 times per second all the 2 to 8 million pixels that will be sent to your monitor to represent a game with consistent and involved mechanics?

Comparing the mathematical capabilities of brains versus computers is ridiculous; humans can hardly cope with addition and subtraction. It's only a question of time before companies figure out how to use technology to create intelligence. In 2021 (5nm), Intel will be able place as many transistors on a chip as there are neurons in the brain. If 3D stacking is figured out by then, you can calculate how many layers you can fit in the volume of your brain.

Also don't forget that nature got a 4 billion year head start. One can only image what humans could come up with with 4 billion years of science and technology (if science and technology by then isn't already taken over and done by the intelligent technology we've created itself instead of humans, which would mean that the things that are doing the science would get more intelligent as well, because they can improve themselves which is something humans cannot, leading to even greater accelerated accelerated advancements)!

 

[krumme]

Have you not heard of the almighty dollar?

Here, I'll help you out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

The are no words to express how absurd your statements have been in this thread. Economics lie at the heart of semiconductor device manufacturing. Why do we not have 10nm today? It's not because of physics, it's because of money. No 450nm? Money. You can accelerate the development of nearly anything by throwing more money at the problem.

Ok lets imagine the goverment help Intel with 450mm wafers throwing more money at the problem...
That is just the most creative proposal of all time !

 

[Homeles]

See, you keep making this all about Intel. You can't help let your disdain for them leak into nearly every single one of your posts.

Again, not having 450mm wafers sucks for everyone. Intel, their competitors, every person on this planet. Cheaper computing would really make the world a better place, hence the government involvement, but you can't seem outside of the realm of something being good or bad for Intel.