Samsung to build 14nm chips next year

[positivedoppler]

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-amd-qualcomm-apple-finfet,27808.html

Samsung, Qualcomm and apple! Oh and AMD too apparently.

 

[Homeles]

Isn't this already known? Except for AMD, that is?

 

[NTMBK]

Huh, so AMD are going with GloFo and Samsung, not TSMC.

 

[jpiniero]

This is already known, but it's fake 14 nm though. It's not any better than TSMC's 16FF, which is really 20 nm with finfets.

 

[AtenRa]

Huh, so AMD are going with GloFo and Samsung, not TSMC.

I believe they will use both Samsung/Glofo 14nm FF and TSMC 16nm FF, different products to each process/fab.

 

[Homeles]

Huh, so AMD are going with GloFo and Samsung, not TSMC.

Don't see why they would. TSMC is going to lose out on 16/14nm. They were simply beat to the punch. They're behind in density, and behind on their introduction date. They'll do fine though, even with being behind, and they'll probably have something real nice at "10nm."

TSMC did real well with 28nm, and had a decent 20nm, though. You can win all of your battles.

 

[Fjodor2001]

This is already known, but it's fake 14 nm though. It's not any better than TSMC's 16FF, which is really 20 nm with finfets.

You mean like Intel's 22 nm was fake due to not improving density enough compared to 32 nm?

 

[Homeles]

You mean like Intel's 22 nm was fake due to not improving density enough compared to 32 nm?

Not even remotely comparable.

 

[mavere]

It's not any better than TSMC's 16FF, which is really 20 nm with finfets.

It's is better than TSMC's 16FF. Probably comparable to 16FF+ (or rather vice versa).

 

[Homeles]

It's is better than TSMC's 16FF. Probably comparable to 16FF+ (or rather vice versa).

Yeah, Samsung/GloFo actually has the better FinFET process. 16FF+ is TSMC's attempt to reconcile that.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yeah, Samsung/GloFo actually has the better FinFET process. 16FF+ is TSMC's attempt to reconcile that.

Samsung like TSMC has 2 flavors of its 14nm process. One is LPE (low power early) and the other is LPP (low power performance).

I would imagine LPE ~= 16FF, LPP ~= 16FF+.

 

[Hans de Vries]

Isn't this already known? Except for AMD, that is?

AMD was the very first publicly mentioned customer for Samsung's (Globalfoundries) 14nm FinFet process:

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/news-events/press-releases/detail?newsId=13364
http://globalfoundries.com/newsroom...ering-of-14nm-finfet-semiconductor-technology

"This unprecedented collaboration will result in a global capacity footprint for 14nm FinFET technology that provides AMD with enhanced capabilities to bring our innovative IP into silicon on leading-edge technologies," said Lisa Su, senior vice president and general manager of Global Business Units at AMD. "The work that GLOBALFOUNDRIES and Samsung are doing together will help AMD deliver our next generation of groundbreaking products with new levels of processing and graphics capabilities to devices ranging from low-power mobile devices, to next-generation dense servers to high-performance embedded solutions."

 

[Phynaz]

You mean like Intel's 22 nm was fake due to not improving density enough compared to 32 nm?

Didn't take long to turn this into an Intel bashing thread by the ADL.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Didn't take long to turn this into an Intel bashing thread by the ADL.

It took even shorter time to turn it into a TSMC/Samsung bashing thread before that.

 

[Homeles]

AMD was the very first publicly mentioned customer for Samsung's (Globalfoundries) 14nm FinFet process:

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/news-events/press-releases/detail?newsId=13364
http://globalfoundries.com/newsroom...ering-of-14nm-finfet-semiconductor-technology

Whoops, looks like I missed that announcement. Thanks.

 

[sm625]

How can they say they will have 14nm when they dont even have 20nm.

 

[AtenRa]

How can they say they will have 14nm when they dont even have 20nm.

Samsung Announces Exynos 5430: First 20nm Samsung SoC

The main critical upgrade that the new chips revolve around is the manufacturing process, as Samsung delivers its first 20nm SoC product and is also at the same time the first manufacturer to do so.

 

[geoxile]

Samsung's 20nm is internal use only IIRC. There's at least two chips already on the market using 20nm, the SoC in the Galaxy Alpha and the one in the Note 4 (the Korean versions anyway)

 

[Phynaz]

Samsung Announces Exynos 5430: First 20nm Samsung SoC

Is that device actually shipping?

 

[geoxile]

Is that device actually shipping?

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...the-worlds-first-20nm-HKMG-based-chip_id59339

Yea, in the Alpha.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...ace-see-how-it-compares-with-iPhone-6_id61288
The Note 4 has the 5433, another 20nm SoC (with A57 and A53!)

Both are 20nm
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc

 

[Arachnotronic]

Is that device actually shipping?

In low volumes in select markets.

That said, rumors suggest Apple is using Sammy for ~30% of the A8 production, which to me is pretty high volume.

Wish we could get a good confirmation of this, though.

 

[Soulkeeper]

For some reason when I saw AMD mentioned in this my first thought wasn't their APU/GPU products, but their AMD branded memory and SSDs.

Does anyone else think this could be what might get made for them by samsung ?

 

[Fjodor2001]

So Samsung now has products on the market at a later node than Intel (20 vs 22 nm). It won't last for long since Intel soon will be releasing 14 nm products, but still...

 

[know of fence]

"In a session here, Samsung and GlobalFoundries reiterated their ongoing partnership, announced in April, on the 14nm process. Both companies aim to have products ramping into volume production next year. They will follow-up with a version of the process, now being qualified, that will be optimized for high performance." -(link)

So it will be like a 5 year long dry spell for high performance 28nm parts (from end of 2011 to sometime 2016)?

 

[witeken]

So Samsung now has products on the market at a later node than Intel (20 vs 22 nm). It won't last for long since Intel soon will be releasing 14 nm products, but still...

20nm is vastly inferior to 22FF.