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Samsung is a dirty little company

Dari

Lifer
They're accused of destroying evidence related to their ongoing litigation against Apple. Also, the company and its leaders have been found guilty of serious corruption and anti-competition charges in South Korea but pardoned by their corrupt president out of fear that the charges could harm the company and nation. What a joke.

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Apple accuses Samsung of spoiling evidence in Cali. case
On May 1st Apple filed a motion through a court for the Northern District of California, claiming "spoilation of evidence" by Samsung, according to NetworkWorld. Apple says that Samsung failed to preserve documents it needed to submit for the discovery process in the companies' ongoing legal battle. In fact, Apple accuses Samsung of spoiling "vast quantities of relevant evidence in blatant disregard of its duty to preserve all such evidence."

Apple also suggests that a jury may infer that missing Samsung documents would have been beneficial to Apple, and that if Samsung is found to have infringed Apple patents, the jury can assume the act was "intentional, willful, without regard to Apple's rights." Much of the motion is redacted, but it's believed that the core issue is a discrepancy between the documents provided by deposed Samsung witnesses and the amount they were supposed to submit. Apple states that Samsung has in fact exhibited similar behavior in the past; in a Samsung v. Mosaid lawsuit, it was discovered that Samsung had a policy of automatically deleting emails from custodian computers every two weeks, even though they were required to keep email evidence as part of their ongoing legal case.

"Samsung’s ad hoc, unmonitored email 'preservation' methods have resulted in the irretrievable loss of unknown volumes of relevant emails," Apple writes in one part of its recent motion. "For example, Judge Grewal recently compelled the deposition of Won Pyo Hong, the head of Samsung’s Product Strategy Team, in part due to an email in which Dr.Hong 'directly orders side-by-side comparisons of Apple and Samsung products for design presentations.'

"Apple and the Court cannot possibly know how many more emails Dr. Hong sent or received that would have supported Apple’s claims that Samsung copied Apple products had they not been deleted. The same is true for the many other Samsung witnesses who produced only a handful of emails, or none at all."

In another attempt to cast doubt on Samsung's track record, Apple points to an incident in Korea, where Samsung is said to have destroyed large amounts of data during a price fixing investigation by the country's Fair Trade Commission. A number of company executives were accused of using security guards to block FTC officials from entering a Samsung facility, while other Samsung workers destroyed related data and replaced the computers of workers under investigation. "Further, the head of the department subject to the investigation evaded the investigation according to a contingency plan, and, following the FTC investigators’ withdrawal, returned to the office and deleted relevant data saved on his computer," Apple says. The probe even turned up a 2011 email to one of Samsung's executive VPs, talking about the deletion of files involving "Korean roadmap iPhone countermeasures," among other things.

Apple argues that the email is an example of something that Samsung should have handed over. A hearing on Apple's motion is scheduled for June 7th, and Samsung is due to submit a reply brief by May 15th. Samsung, though, filed a motion on May 7th looking to get more time to respond to Apple's charges, which it also says are without merit. The proposed extension would push the reply date to May 29th, and the hearing to July 10th.

Complicating the case even further is that Apple has also accused Samsung of destroying evidence, via the US International Trade Commission. Because Samsung has already submitted a reply brief in that matter, Apple contends that Samsung doesn't need more time to answer in California. Samsung's position is that the California case involves different custodians and patents, and that the company's "obligation to preserve evidence in this case arose at a different time than in the ITC action." It adds that a proper response will demand reviewing thousands of pages of documents, and possibly securing an expert to review Samsung practices involving "preservation of information." On top of this, many of the custodians in the case live in South Korea, and Samsung counsel is handling not only this case but the ITC dispute, and an upcoming mediation session with Apple.

On the 7th Apple fired off a short reply brief, saying that Samsung should've been well aware of Apple complaints about automatic email deletion, and that any delays would wreck a schedule for pre-trial filings, specifically one requiring sides to submit possible jury instructions by July 11th. A postponement would also allegedly break a judge's order that parties "follow the local rules regarding a briefing schedule."
 
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Here is another article with Samsung being bad
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Judge penalizes Samsung for withholding code in Apple case
The ongoing Apple vs. Samsung case being tried in the United States took an unusual turn yesterday as Judge Paul S. Grewal granted an unusual "preclusive sanctions" order against Samsung for failing to produce source code for Apple in a timely fashion. The judge had already found Samsung in violation of the order two weeks earlier, and found that the company was guilty of blatantly stalling the case.

As patent-issues analyst Florian Mueller notes, this is not the first time Samsung has been in violation of court orders to produce evidence. This time, however, the judge agreed with Apple that the delays were especially egregious, and has now ordered as a penalty that Samsung is precluded from offering any evidence of "design-around efforts" on the patents it is being sued for violating. The penalty could have a detrimental effect on liability and damages if Samsung loses the case, as they cannot show in court any effort to fix possible violations of Apple patents.

Samsung had originally been ordered to produce the source code for their design-arounds that avoided Apple patents (in particular one dealing with the "overscroll bounce" effect seen when scrolling to the top or bottom of a page) by the end of 2011, but did not deliver the code until nearly a month later (for which the company received a monetary fine). Apple has also won the right to re-depose witnesses due to Samsung stalling.

The action that triggered the evidence penalty, however, related to two other contested patents. Samsung failed to produce source code on patents related to tapping and zooming to navigate and timed windows were not delivered until March 10th -- two days after the close of discovery. Because of the delay, Apple was unable to analyze the source code in time for the hearings.

It could be that Samsung feared Apple would find additional evidence of deliberate patent infringement in the code, which would explain Samsung's hesitance to produce it (proof of non-infringing revised source code would normally help a company in Samsung's position). The company was producing products that used the design-around alternatives that were actually on the market even before it produced the source code for its work.

The company's actions may also have a detrimental effect on the upcoming federal trial under Judge Lucy Koh, as Samsung has now been seen to be repeatedly and deliberately attempting to stall and withhold relevant evidence. Apple itself has been reprimanded by the judge for only making the minimum effort in producing documents or filing in a timely fashion, but so far has stayed within the boundaries of its legal obligations.

The set of hearings are part of the setup for the federal trial, which is currently scheduled to begin at the end of July. Apple and Samsung are currently scheduled for settlement talks later this month, but remain very far apart on the issues. Both Apple and Samsung were recently requested by Judge Koh to further reduce the number of claims in an effort to streamline the jury trial. [via Florian Mueller]
 
Seems pretty standard for the course with large corporations. Dirty? Perhaps. Little? I don't think so.
 
Seems pretty standard for the course with large corporations. Dirty? Perhaps. Little? I don't think so.

Destroying evidence is illegal. At least in America. But they're doing it in S. Korea where the justice system is a joke compared to America.
 
Destroying evidence is illegal. At least in America. But they're doing it in S. Korea where the justice system is a joke compared to America.

Destroying emails is pretty much guaranteed in any corporate battle - from MS to Apple to Samsung to Rambus to whatever.
 
Destroying evidence is illegal. At least in America. But they're doing it in S. Korea where the justice system is a joke compared to America.

I don't find it much different over here. There's corruption and people will get protected unless they cross the wrong person. Also I believe Apple is using a lot of their internals in their products made by Samsung so why are they having legal spats but continue to keep doing business together?
 
meh. fuck samsung.

they knowingly sold monitors years ago with bad parts. then told those that bought them fuck off. After that i won't buy Samsung again. I used to be a huge backer.
 
Did Samsung touch you as a child or something? You've made it abundantly clear that you hate them, which is fine, but you keep going to more absurd lengths to prove it.
 
Sounds perfectly normal for corporations...lie, steal, and cheat whenever possible to avoid potential liability or prosecution.
 
I don't find it much different over here. There's corruption and people will get protected unless they cross the wrong person. Also I believe Apple is using a lot of their internals in their products made by Samsung so why are they having legal spats but continue to keep doing business together?

Apple sources from different companies. Aside from the CPU, Apple has multiple suppliers for memory and screen. But I'm not sure WTF that has to do with the topic at hand...
 
Did Samsung touch you as a child or something? You've made it abundantly clear that you hate them, which is fine, but you keep going to more absurd lengths to prove it.

I don't hate them. I just don't see them as innovative and their one true claim to fame, SAMOLED HD+ BLAH^2, hurts my eyes. However, their SSDs are decent.
 
The fastest SoC in a mobile device, the first legitimate Siri competitor, improved battery life, picture in picture for multitasking during video playback and a 720P HD screen is disappointing?

Could you guys keep this shit out of this thread? Are you deliberately trying to get it shut down or moved or something. Are you trying to sabotage the thread?
 
The fastest SoC in a mobile device, the first legitimate Siri competitor, improved battery life, picture in picture for multitasking during video playback and a 720P HD screen is disappointing?

8 MP camera

4.8 inch screen is too big for me. Even I think the 4.3 GSII is a little to the large size.

Cheap plastic backing.
It doesn't seem much has changed.
 
Destroying evidence is illegal. At least in America. But they're doing it in S. Korea where the justice system is a joke compared to America.

It must be the funniest joke on the planet then because the justice system over here is already downright hilarious.
 
you're surprised by capitalism in action?

ps, who's in a huge fucking mess of trouble with the DOJ at the moment.. apple or samsung? 😛

(don't prefer one or the other either way, just saying)
 
you're surprised by capitalism in action?

ps, who's in a huge fucking mess of trouble with the DOJ at the moment.. apple or samsung? 😛

(don't prefer one or the other either way, just saying)

Are you serious? That DOJ case against Apple will definitely be thrown out. If not, they will be found not guilty. THe premise of the case is pure stupidity but something the DOJ felt they had to do...

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'I don't think you understand. We can't treat newspapers or magazines any differently than we treat FarmVille."

With those words, senior Apple executive Eddy Cue stuck to his take-it-or-leave-it business model of a 30% revenue share payable for transactions through the iTunes service. Despite my arguments to Mr. Cue in Apple's Cupertino, Calif., offices last year on behalf of news publishers seeking different terms, to him there was no difference between a newspaper and an online game.

It was a sobering reminder that traditional media brands have no preferred place in the new digital world. It also should be the defense's Exhibit A in the Justice Department's antitrust case against Apple and book publishers: The 30% revenue-share model is Apple's standard practice, not, as alleged by the government, the product of a conspiracy.

Whether it's news, games, apps or books, Apple's position is the same. The market determines the price, and Apple gets 30%. The Justice Department fails to acknowledge anywhere in its 36-page complaint against Apple and book publishers that this is the standard approach. (Indeed, the government complaint inaccurately refers to "30% margins" for Apple. Operating margins are very different from sales commissions.) The government says this "agency model" is inherently wrong ("per se" wrong, in legalese) and "would not have occurred without the conspiracy among the defendants."

The problem for the government is that there's nothing wrong with the agency model, which has been upheld by federal courts and is common across many industries. This approach by Apple and the publishers (including HarperCollins, a unit of News Corp., which also owns The Wall Street Journal) replaced the "wholesale model" that market leader Amazon preferred, which had allowed it to sell e-books at whatever price it wanted, including as loss leaders to protect its Kindle against competition from other e-readers.
Contrary to the Justice Department's complaint, "this model happens to look exactly like Apple's arrangement for apps and music as well, right down to the same percentage Apple takes from sales," wrote Geoffrey Manne, head of the International Center for Law and Economics, on the Technology Liberation Front blog. "This makes things easier for Apple, gives publishers more control over pricing, and offers Apple content and a good return sufficient to induce it to market and sell its platform." Or as Apple put it last week in refusing to settle with the Justice Department, "Just as we've allowed developers to set prices on the App Store, publishers set prices on the iBookstore."

The complaint discloses dinners the book publishers ate in posh New York restaurants to support the claim that they conspired to fix prices. The more accurate way to describe the goal of the dinners is that publishers conspired to repair an anticompetitive business model. They thought it made no sense for Amazon's Kindle to have a 90% market share and a single loss-leader price of $9.95 for consumers. They were right. Over the past couple of years, thanks to the agency model, the Kindle's market share has fallen to 60% thanks to competition from iPads and Barnes & Noble Nooks, and there is more variation in consumer prices, typically ranging from $5.95 to $14.95.

Pricing flexibility for publishers is necessary to allow innovation. Why shouldn't some e-books cost 99 cents and others that come with video and hardcover editions be $49.95? Why not give people the option to pay 10% more to access an e-book on all e-readers? Consumers should decide, not Amazon or the Antitrust Division.

This lawsuit is already reducing competition and causing investors to flee Barnes & Noble, whose Nook is the distant No. 2 e-reader. "By allowing Amazon to resume selling most titles at a loss, the Department of Justice will basically prevent traditional bookstores from trying to enter the e-book market, at the same time it drives trade out of those stores and into the proprietary world of the Kindle," novelist Scott Turow wrote on the website of the Authors Guild, where he is president. "It is hard to believe that the Justice Department has somehow persuaded itself that this solution fosters competition or is good for readers in the long run."

Allegations of price fixing are hard enough to prove in mature industries such as steel or railroads, where arguably executives could control prices by dining together in posh restaurants. The highly dynamic digital economy is different. A more humble, more technology-savvy Justice Department would have exercised restraint by letting the e-book market evolve instead of ordering it to freeze into a single model with a single provider at a single price point for consumers.

"Whenever an antitrust court is called on to balance efficiency against monopoly, there is trouble," Judge Richard Posner warned a decade ago in a paper called "Antitrust in the New Economy." He concluded: "Legal uncertainty, and the likelihood of error, soar."
 
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