Samsung Galaxy S7 outsells iPhone 6S & 6S Plus in the US

[Achtung!]

I now understand why American business magnate, Carl Icahn, sold all of his Apple shares.

Even in the US, Apple's home country, the Samsung Galaxy S7 alone (not even including the Galaxy Note 5) outsold both the iPhone 6S and iPhone 6S Plus. A fairer test would have been Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 Edge & Galaxy Note 5 sales vs the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus sales.

Samsung is now expected to post massive profits due to the success of the Galaxy S7.
Samsung predicts strongest profits in over two years

Just comparing the shares of Apple and Samsung, we can see which company is more stable due to a higher product range and diversification of its portfolio.
I'm not sure of Apple's future plans, but it seems to be in VR and while I think it's highly promising, it could become a massive failure as I'm not totally convinced by Tim Cook's management.

Last year, the Galaxy S6 couldn't outsell the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus in the US. But this year, it's a totally different story as people started to realize how impressive the dual edge curved OLED display really looks.

The iPhone 7 looks like it's going to be much the same as the iPhone 6S. I think the iPhone 7S will bring more changes for Apple, when they start using Samsung's curved OLED displays.

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/new...s-flagships-s7-and-s7-edge-boost-sales-860686

Samsung Galaxy S7 Beats Apple iPhone 6s Sales in Q2 2016 in the US: Report
Shekhar Thakran , 14 July 2016

HIGHLIGHTS

• Kantar Worldpanel data shows Samsung and Apple's US sales
• Samsung Galaxy S7, Galaxy S7 Edge accounted for 16 percent of sales
• iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus accounted 14.6 percent of sales

It is safe to say Samsung's latest flagship entries Galaxy S7 and Galaxy S7 Edge and have been received well by both customers and critics alike, and now a market research report indicates that sales of Samsung's flagships were better than Apple's current flagships iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus in the US market in Q2 2016.

According to latest mobile market data numbers by Kantar Worldpanel, Samsung's flagship models Galaxy S7 and Galaxy S7 Edge accounted for 16 percent of all smartphone sales in the US, while iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus accounted for 14.6 percent of sales in three months ended May. Even though Apple's flagships were launched in September last year and those of Samsung in March this year, this can be considered a worrying sign for the Cupertino-based company as it showed a trend of maintaining lead in market sales despite the launch gap till this very year.

In terms of all smartphone models, Samsung took an even bigger lead over Apple as the company accounted for 37 percent of all smartphone sales in US while Apple lagged behind at 29 percent market share during March-May.

The only respite from Apple's point of view in the released data was that 88 percent of current Apple users have chosen to stay loyal and intend to buy another smartphone from the same company. Although Samsung seems to be catching up in this regard as well with 86 percent of Samsung customers chose to stick with the company.

In April, Apple posted its first-ever decline in iPhone sales and its first revenue drop in 13 years, during January-March, as the company credited with re-inventing the smartphone struggled with an increasingly saturated market and faced the heat from Samsung's new flagships.

With the latest mobile market data from Kantar Worldpanel, it seems like the trend is likely to continue and Apple will have to hit it big with its upcoming smartphones - anticipated to be called the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus - to change this trend, otherwise the company might not be able to hold onto its position for long.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/galaxy-s7-outsells-iphone/

Take that, Apple! Samsung's Galaxy S7 outsells the iPhone 6S
By Ed Oswald — July 13, 2016

Samsung finally has something to brag about when it comes to its battle with Apple. Data from Kantar Worldpanel indicates the flagship Galaxy S7 smartphone outsold the iPhone 6S/6S Plus in a three-month period ending on May 2016. The S7 grabbed a 16 percent share of the market, compared to the iPhone 6S line’s 14.6 percent.
While this might not seem like much, traditionally the iPhone has outsold its Galaxy S competitor in the States. However, there’s some indication that iPhone sales are starting to falter, with the first year-over-year decline in sales happening in the first quarter of this year. Samsung does have a bit of an advantage here, though: It’s S7 model launched in March, a full six months after the 6S line debuted.
Still, it shows that Apple has some work to do ahead of the expected launch of the iPhone 7 in just two months. The Galaxy S7 fared well in our own review, and was well received by consumers. Can Apple successfully market what appears to be a mostly incremental update as something consumers will want to buy? That’s the big question.


Samsung maintains a wider lead when its other models are factored in. In the same three-month period ending in May, the company had a 37 percent share of the market compared to Apple’s 29 percent. Much of this is due to the expansiveness of Samsung’s line. The company offers more than a dozen phone models at any time, compared to Apple’s nine iPhones.
Apple still has an advantage over Samsung in switchers. Some 14 percent of those purchasing a new iPhone in the period had previously owned a Samsung phone, while only 5 percent of Samsung customers previously owned an iPhone.
Both companies share an overwhelming number of buyers who plan to stay with the brands: Some 88 percent of all iPhone users plan to purchase another iPhone next, and 86 of Samsung owners are similarly loyal. The two companies’ phones also make up the entire top ten list of the most popular phones sold.
“Apple and Samsung have less to worry about from each other going forward — and much more to worry about from other competitors, and the changing landscape,” Kantar analyst Lauren Guenveur said.

 

[KeithP]

A newer phone outsells one that everyone knows is about to be replaced? I am shocked!

-KeithP

 

[jiffylube1024]

A newer phone outsells one that everyone knows is about to be replaced? I am shocked!

-KeithP

Should we expect the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 and every other new phone to outsell older phones then !?
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The Galaxy S outselling the iPhone in the US wasn't the case last year - the iPhone 6 consistently outsold the Galaxy S6, including in the pivotal Q2 when the S6/Edge were new and the iPhone was old.

http://bgr.com/2015/07/30/samsung-earnings-q2-2015-iphone-wins/

The iPhone 6 in fact sold similarly to the S6 globally in Q2, which hadn't happened since the Galaxy S3 generation in 2011/2012!

http://time.com/3840414/samsung-apple-market-share/


So yes, it actually is news!

 

[stlc8tr]

I think it would be a sign of the apocalypse if Achtung ever posted something positive about Apple and negative about Samsung.

 

[Phynaz]

A newer phone outsells one that everyone knows is about to be replaced? I am shocked!

-KeithP

Especially when the newer phone is BOGO. Kinda difficult to not gain market share when you are literally giving stuff away.

 

[JAG87]

LOL, the S7 was one of the biggest flops in Samsung's entire Galaxy line, they are having so much trouble moving inventory that you can pretty much get the S7 at $0 here in Canada with any trade-in (even a shit flip phone). That's ridiculous for a flagship and says a lot about how much inventory they have on hand.

Proof:
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/best-buy-samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-0-friends-family-sale-2002339/

Meanwhile, the iPhone SE has been nowhere to be found since launch. It takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks to get one.

Stop posting ridiculous cherry picked news as usual, get bent Achtung.

 

[Artdeco]

You know, I don't even care about numbers unless they're in the extreme like Windows Phone and it's 1% marketshare

 

[khha4113]

LOL, the S7 was one of the biggest flops in Samsung's entire Galaxy line, they are having so much trouble moving inventory that you can pretty much get the S7 at $0 here in Canada with any trade-in (even a shit flip phone). That's ridiculous for a flagship and says a lot about how much inventory they have on hand.

Proof:
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/best-buy-samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-0-friends-family-sale-2002339/

Meanwhile, the iPhone SE has been nowhere to be found since launch. It takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks to get one.

Stop posting ridiculous cherry picked news as usual, get bent Achtung.

You 'forgot' to mention that was 2 year contract plan! So it's not like they sell it for free.
From one of the poster

So mostly the VR gear being the deal then. With $80 plan, that's like paying $40 extra per month, times 24 = 960. May as well go buy from Samsung store out right, no?

 

[dawheat]

LOL, the S7 was one of the biggest flops in Samsung's entire Galaxy line, they are having so much trouble moving inventory that you can pretty much get the S7 at $0 here in Canada with any trade-in (even a shit flip phone). That's ridiculous for a flagship and says a lot about how much inventory they have on hand.

Proof:
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/best-buy-samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-0-friends-family-sale-2002339/

Meanwhile, the iPhone SE has been nowhere to be found since launch. It takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks to get one.

Stop posting ridiculous cherry picked news as usual, get bent Achtung.

Eh you're just as wrong as the OP. The S7 is clearly selling well for Samsung as their quarterly revenue and profits show.

Galaxy phones have always had promotions but even with them, they've never outsold the iPhone in years (if ever) in the US. To me it's a combination of the S7s being very good phones, other Android OEMs dropping the ball to an extent (the LG G5 is a bust, HTC hasn't been able to do any serious marketing for years) and the iPhone 6S not being particularly exciting and of course the knowledge that the iPhone 7 is being released in 2 months.

That being said, the iPhone surely easily outsells the S7 globally, margins are easily and significantly biased toward the iPhone, and the iPhone 7 will easily retake the North American sales crown.

 

[QueBert]

This thread should be updated when the iPhone 7 comes out and in a month outsells what the S7 has done all year.

 

[JAG87]

You 'forgot' to mention that was 2 year contract plan! So it's not like they sell it for free.
From one of the poster

Of course with a 2 year contract. How else would you get a phone for $0...

$80 is pretty much a standard plan here. The poster complaining that it's $40 extra x 24 is ridiculous. With $40 you can't get any cell phone plan in Canada except Wind, and with Wind you're pretty much amish. Even our MVNOs are pretty expensive, they are just about $5/mo cheaper than the big 3.

Eh you're just as wrong as the OP. The S7 is clearly selling well for Samsung as their quarterly revenue and profits show.

Galaxy phones have always had promotions but even with them, they've never outsold the iPhone in years (if ever) in the US. To me it's a combination of the S7s being very good phones, other Android OEMs dropping the ball to an extent (the LG G5 is a bust, HTC hasn't been able to do any serious marketing for years) and the iPhone 6S not being particularly exciting and of course the knowledge that the iPhone 7 is being released in 2 months.

That being said, the iPhone surely easily outsells the S7 globally, margins are easily and significantly biased toward the iPhone, and the iPhone 7 will easily retake the North American sales crown.

Let's just say that I see countrywide weekly inventory reports for one of the big three carriers in Canada, and the S7 is not selling. The SE in 16 and 64GB in space grey is almost always ooo, but sometimes other colours too. The 6S isn't selling that well either, but still more than the S7.

 

[dawheat]

Let's just say that I see countrywide weekly inventory reports for one of the big three carriers in Canada, and the S7 is not selling. The SE in 16 and 64GB in space grey is almost always ooo, but sometimes other colours too. The 6S isn't selling that well either, but still more than the S7.

I'm not disputing your info, but from a macro level your statement that the S7 is a flop is clearly wrong based on the current quarterly earnings from Samsung and their mobile division specifically. Your market and carrier may be an outlier.

And the SE not being in stock doesn't necessarily imply very robust sales but a conservative production approach by Apple. I doubt SE sales are close to 6S sales, even in the current month and clearly there is plenty of 6S stock.

 

[Artdeco]

I'm not disputing your info, but from a macro level your statement that the S7 is a flop is clearly wrong based on the current quarterly earnings from Samsung and their mobile division specifically. Your market and carrier may be an outlier.

And the SE not being in stock doesn't necessarily imply very robust sales but a conservative production approach by Apple. I doubt SE sales are close to 6S sales, even in the current month and clearly there is plenty of 6S stock.

You're discounting the relative age of the phones.

 

[dawheat]

You're discounting the relative age of the phones.

Without Apple releasing model breakdowns which they don't do, there's no way to know for sure. But I'd be willing to hang my hat on 6S sales still easily outpacing 5SE sales right now.

 

[Artdeco]

Without Apple releasing model breakdowns which they don't do, there's no way to know for sure. But I'd be willing to hang my hat on 6S sales still easily outpacing 5SE sales right now.

Can we all just agree Apple is doomed?

 

[JAG87]

Without Apple releasing model breakdowns which they don't do, there's no way to know for sure. But I'd be willing to hang my hat on 6S sales still easily outpacing 5SE sales right now.

Nope. The SE is selling SEVERAL times more than the 6S. What you ignore is that corporate/enterprise makes up a massive portion of subscribers (in fact probably probably more than consumer lines), and corporate is gobbling up the SE at $0 like it's god's gift to mankind. Imagine them being used to $0 entry level phones like the iPhone 5c 8GB, and now Apple drops this bomb: 16GB iPhone 6S hardware for $0. Hell, it's being gobbled up by entry level consumers too.

Of course you won't know this officially because Apple won't tell you how many of which model have sold, but some people (like me) have a relatively large sample for analysis. The iPhone SE is not in short supply, Apple just can't make enough of them. You'll see that this quarter the net income YOY will be below investor expectations, but the units sold will actually be above, because of course the margin on the SE is just not as high.

 

[mrochester]

The Galaxy S7 Edge is a lovely bit of hardware. The only downsides are that it's far too big and it doesn't run iOS.

 

[Artdeco]

Nope. The SE is selling SEVERAL times more than the 6S. What you ignore is that corporate/enterprise makes up a massive portion of subscribers (in fact probably probably more than consumer lines), and corporate is gobbling up the SE at $0 like it's god's gift to mankind. Imagine them being used to $0 entry level phones like the iPhone 5c 8GB, and now Apple drops this bomb: 16GB iPhone 6S hardware for $0. Hell, it's being gobbled up by entry level consumers too.

Of course you won't know this officially because Apple won't tell you how many of which model have sold, but some people (like me) have a relatively large sample for analysis. The iPhone SE is not in short supply, Apple just can't make enough of them. You'll see that this quarter the net income YOY will be below investor expectations, but the units sold will actually be above, because of course the margin on the SE is just not as high.

I have one, looked critically at how I use my phone, I mostly use it to link my other Apple devices so I can use them for phone calls and texting, and when I need to, tethering. Never been one to watch videos on my phone, always have an iPad/laptop handy. I even broke my tradition and got a 16 GB version, have a generous data plan and upload pics instantly over WiFi or cell data.

I'm done buying near $1,000 phones.

 

[Commodus]

Nope. The SE is selling SEVERAL times more than the 6S. What you ignore is that corporate/enterprise makes up a massive portion of subscribers (in fact probably probably more than consumer lines), and corporate is gobbling up the SE at $0 like it's god's gift to mankind. Imagine them being used to $0 entry level phones like the iPhone 5c 8GB, and now Apple drops this bomb: 16GB iPhone 6S hardware for $0. Hell, it's being gobbled up by entry level consumers too.

Of course you won't know this officially because Apple won't tell you how many of which model have sold, but some people (like me) have a relatively large sample for analysis. The iPhone SE is not in short supply, Apple just can't make enough of them. You'll see that this quarter the net income YOY will be below investor expectations, but the units sold will actually be above, because of course the margin on the SE is just not as high.

One important disclaimer: Canadian carriers charge an arm and a leg for on-contract phones in a way that American carriers don't. A 16GB iPhone 6s can cost up to $100 more than it does in the US after you factor in the currency conversion. The only reason the Galaxy S7 costs less is because Samsung has to lean on sales to move units. It's a different story in the US, where the carriers don't inflate the prices.

At any rate: as with most of Achtung's Samsung cheerleading, he's purposefully ignoring the context to make his favourite company look better. The iPhone 6s is an iterative design that's most of the way through its product cycle and still tends to sell at full price. Surprise, it's not going to do as well as the S7, phone that's still relatively brand new, fixes key problems that led to the S6 struggling, and was massively discounted almost from the word "go."

We'll have a better sense of how well Samsung is faring versus Apple in calendar Q3 and Q4, when the next iPhone arrives and the S7 no longer has novelty working in its favour. I'm not expecting Apple to completely clean Samsung's clock, but the Glorious Eternal Samsung Monopoly that Achtung so desperately wants will have to wait.

 

[jpeyton]

I don't own an S7. In my family, we have two 6S Plus, two 6S, and 2 SE (plus a few iPads).

Even I think the S7 is a fantastic phone, and in some ways measurably superior to the iPhone.

The S7 screen is unmatched. OLED is the future. Apple will likely use OLED in the iPhone 7, but until then, Samsung has a clear advantage.

The S7 is waterproof. Not splash proof, but throw it in the pool and snap some selfies waterproof. This is outstanding, and I wish I didn't have to frantically cover or wipe off my iPhone every time I pull it out during a rainy day. One errant drop and I might set off the moisture indicator, voiding my warranty, while S7 owners can take phone calls during their morning shower.

Finally, QuickCharge. Every phone should have it in 2016, Apple does not. While iPhones do support faster charging with 2.1A chargers, they don't have that fast initial boost that QuickCharge phones have (0-50% in 30 mins).

 

[Achtung!]

LOL, the S7 was one of the biggest flops in Samsung's entire Galaxy line, they are having so much trouble moving inventory that you can pretty much get the S7 at $0 here in Canada with any trade-in (even a shit flip phone). That's ridiculous for a flagship and says a lot about how much inventory they have on hand.

Proof:
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/best-buy-samsung-galaxy-s7-edge-0-friends-family-sale-2002339/

Meanwhile, the iPhone SE has been nowhere to be found since launch. It takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks to get one.

Stop posting ridiculous cherry picked news as usual, get bent Achtung.

You don't seem to understand what mobile plans are.

$0 smartphone plans are $1000 over 24 month plans in disguise.

I've been seeing a lot more Galaxy S7s these days compared to the Galaxy S6 last year. Especially a lot of the Galaxy S7 Edge.

It seems like everyone here is an Apple fan.

Yeah, let's ignore how Apple's revenues are falling and the iPhone will save Apple forever.

Let's deny that Apple only sells 5 products compared to Samsung's thousands.

Because all that matters is that Apple is still more profitable than Samsung, and profits are the only measure of a company's success. I am educated in business and economics so this must be true.

Let's just keep buying Apple's iPhones and keep Apple's belly satisfied so it wont have to innovate ever again!

 

[Artdeco]

You don't seem to understand what mobile plans are.

$0 smartphone plans are $1000 over 24 month plans in disguise.

I've been seeing a lot more Galaxy S7s these days compared to the Galaxy S6 last year. Especially a lot of the Galaxy S7 Edge.

It seems like everyone here is an Apple fan.

Yeah, let's ignore how Apple's revenues are falling and the iPhone will save Apple forever.

Let's deny that Apple only sells 5 products compared to Samsung's thousands.

Because all that matters is that Apple is still more profitable than Samsung, and profits are the only measure of a company's success. I am educated in business and economics so this must be true.

Let's just keep buying Apple's iPhones and keep Apple's belly satisfied so it wont have to innovate ever again!

Actually, it's the opposite, but find it difficult to support your extreme positions.

 

[dawheat]

Nope. The SE is selling SEVERAL times more than the 6S. What you ignore is that corporate/enterprise makes up a massive portion of subscribers (in fact probably probably more than consumer lines), and corporate is gobbling up the SE at $0 like it's god's gift to mankind. Imagine them being used to $0 entry level phones like the iPhone 5c 8GB, and now Apple drops this bomb: 16GB iPhone 6S hardware for $0. Hell, it's being gobbled up by entry level consumers too.

Of course you won't know this officially because Apple won't tell you how many of which model have sold, but some people (like me) have a relatively large sample for analysis. The iPhone SE is not in short supply, Apple just can't make enough of them. You'll see that this quarter the net income YOY will be below investor expectations, but the units sold will actually be above, because of course the margin on the SE is just not as high.

Hey you might be right but if true, IMO would be close to a disaster for Apple for a lower-end model to even sell at parity with the "current" model. It would have been the equivalent of the 5C outselling the 6 but at even a lower price point.

So call me skeptical that it's even remotely true to parity sales globally and usage/site stats that track phone models do seem to support that the 6S/Plus is still the volume seller. I feel like there would be some press/blog noise if it was true since it would be such a dramatic sales mix change for Apple.

At any rate: as with most of Achtung's Samsung cheerleading, he's purposefully ignoring the context to make his favourite company look better. The iPhone 6s is an iterative design that's most of the way through its product cycle and still tends to sell at full price. Surprise, it's not going to do as well as the S7, phone that's still relatively brand new, fixes key problems that led to the S6 struggling, and was massively discounted almost from the word "go."

We'll have a better sense of how well Samsung is faring versus Apple in calendar Q3 and Q4, when the next iPhone arrives and the S7 no longer has novelty working in its favour. I'm not expecting Apple to completely clean Samsung's clock, but the Glorious Eternal Samsung Monopoly that Achtung so desperately wants will have to wait.

The only notable thing is that this hasn't happened before in previous S cycles for Apple. And while the iPhone 7 obviously will easily take back the sales crown, the rumors coalescing around another iterative update make a iPhone 6 type super-upgrade cycle seem increasingly unlikely.

It's certainly a lot more interesting in the mobile space than people likely imagined a year ago when it seemed like Apple had completely won the high end market and Android would be pushed to be only in the middle and low end. With an iterative iPhone 7 (with the big step not until fall 2017), it'll be of especial interest on what Samsung does with the Galaxy S8 as it should also be the clean slate generation.

 

[foghorn67]

OP does the same thing in the Garage forum with Hyundai once in a while.
Despite Hyundai not getting basics right like spot welds.

Praise be unto the glorious nation state of Korea. Glory to thee.

 

[WelshBloke]