Samsung Galaxy S7 outsells iPhone 6S & 6S Plus in the US

[blankslate]

the important question is...

How did the S7 and S6 in total do against the Iphone 6 and 6s variants...

Most iphone users probably don't consider the 6s a significant upgrade over the 6 even though it has double the RAM and approximately double the chassis strength (odd given that bend-gate was just "hype")

It's nice that the S7 is selling well, but Apple's product cycle is a bit different than Samsung's and direct comparisons can be misleading.


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[Artdeco]

Yes, I really with he'd be banned, it's pretty blatant.

 

[WelshBloke]

the important question is...

Why is that an important fucking question?

Who gives a shit?

Neither Apple or Samsung are in bloody danger of going out of business.

You'll be able to buy a sodding iPhone 7 or Galaxy S8.

This thread is purely just to stir the shit.


Also: In before the infraction (sometimes they are worth it)

 

[blankslate]

Why is that an important fucking question?

Who gives a shit?

Neither Apple or Samsung are in bloody danger of going out of business.

It addresses the main contention of the OP.

If you truly couldn't care less, I'm not the one who twisted your arm to reply.


/shrug


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[readymix]

Why is that an important fucking question?

Who gives a shit?

Ban worthy for blatant ambivalence.

 

[WelshBloke]

It addresses the main contention of the OP.

If you truly couldn't care less, I'm not the one who twisted your arm to reply.


/shrug


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I apologise to you. My post wasn't primarily directed at you, it was directed to this thread in general.

I think that your use of "important" in relation to it pushed me over the edge!

Seriously though does it matter if the S7 outsells the iPhone? Neither Apple or Samsung are struggling. It would be newsworthy if HTC suddenly outsold Apple!

 

[Commodus]

I apologise to you. My post wasn't primarily directed at you, it was directed to this thread in general.

I think that your use of "important" in relation to it pushed me over the edge!

Seriously though does it matter if the S7 outsells the iPhone? Neither Apple or Samsung are struggling. It would be newsworthy if HTC suddenly outsold Apple!

No, it doesn't! And it doesn't matter if the iPhone outsells the S7. What we're seeing is the classic fanboy/fangirl problem: tying your self-worth so closely to your favourite product that it must do better than everything else, context and reality be damned.

The world will be a better place if we can get fans to simply be content that their preferred brand is healthy and making good devices.

 

[WelshBloke]

The world will be a better place if we can get fans to simply be content that their preferred brand is healthy and making good devices.

And let's face it, smartphones are bloody amazing regardless which OS they have on them!

We are lucky to be able to be so fussy about our toys!

 

[Zaap]

I'm tired of both Samsung and Apple being celebrated for sales figures.

There was a thread on just how boring the whole smartphone market has become, and this is a big part of the reason why.

We've collectively settled on just two brands and then in some ways cheerlead for one or the other of them, while the whole market has just gotten boring.

I buy Samsung phones because they've at least up until the Note 4 have made what I want. But I could care less how it sold against iPhones.

I recognize it'd be an unmitigated disaster if any one brand 'won' entirely and any POS they put out just sells record numbers despite what it is. Either company would gladly still be selling us a Galaxy S5 or iPhone 5 as their current flagship, were it not for the market pushing them onward.

Next time I shop for a new phone, I wish I had a dozen good choices, from various makes, not just Samsung. More competition also pushing innovation would push Samsung and Apple to step up their games as well.

For various reasons the smartphone market is so distorted, that being #1 can't just mean decent sales, it has to mean crushing all other competitors out of the market, not just winning but killing everything else. Coming in #2 is unacceptable, and #3? Forget it. Close up shop and die.

Never mind that there's almost no other segment of consumer products that operates this way.

 

[gorcorps]

And let's face it, smartphones are bloody amazing regardless which OS they have on them!

We are lucky to be able to be so fussy about our toys!

true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LaT5Iiwo4

 

[rbk123]

The great irony of this is Achtung's behavior towards Samsung is the exact behavior he tries to ridicule in his Apple counterparts. Physician, heal thyself.

 

[WelshBloke]

true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LaT5Iiwo4

Heh!

I'm the "OMG! We're flying! In the air!" guy on an aeroplane.

Mainly because I'm drunk and it annoys the person next to me, but he's right!

 

[MarkizSchnitzel]

LOL, the S7 was one of the biggest flops in Samsung's entire Galaxy line, they are having so much trouble moving inventory that you can pretty much get the S7 at $0 here in Canada with any trade-in (even a shit flip phone). That's ridiculous for a flagship and says a lot about how much inventory they have on hand.

But that's with a contract.. So people are still paying hundreds of $ for them..

 

[MarkizSchnitzel]

The iPhone SE is not in short supply, Apple just can't make enough of them.

Hum? I, think that's exactly what short supply is.. When you have not enough of something other party wants?

Why exactly is that, I can't really understand, since I laughed of this tiny phone when it was announced. But apparently, there are a lot of people with few specific needs that can work on such a tiny screen, and the price is right for them. Go figure.

 

[MarkizSchnitzel]

The iPhone 6s is an iterative design that's most of the way through its product cycle and still tends to sell at full price. Surprise, it's not going to do as well as the S7, phone that's still relatively brand new, fixes key problems that led to the S6 struggling, and was massively discounted almost from the word "go."

We'll have a better sense of how well Samsung is faring versus Apple in calendar Q3 and Q4, when the next iPhone arrives and the S7 no longer has novelty working in its favour. I'm not expecting Apple to completely clean Samsung's clock, but the Glorious Eternal Samsung Monopoly that Achtung so desperately wants will have to wait.

That's just ridiculous reasoning. That will be the time for pent-up iphone buyers to all make their move. Of course iphone7 is going to crush everything at that point.

I think the important thing is that any one phone has outsold iphone in the US of A AT ANY POINT in its, or the iphones, shelf life.

There are so many constructs that we can use to compare. For example, I could say "productive people (in consumer space) buy GS7 90%". Because, technically, GS7 (and android) are far more advanced and capable, theoretically. iPhone SE, I could say, is nearly useless for anything other than IM, and even there it's not ideal. Basically, the only thing it has going for it is one-handed-usage, which is, for whatever reason, so important to many people.


But that does not really matter. Iphone is the topdog. Every sale GS can steal, is a win. And they have been stealing sales from iphone, increasingly.

On the long run, there is no chance for apple ecosystem to be trully mainstream on the global level, because of the price barrier, so in the end Android wins. Same as windows did.

 

[Artdeco]

In the end Android wins. Same as windows did.

My argument is that for Apple to "win" Android doesn't have to "lose", and vise versa.

I have to admit it mattered to me in the past, but now, with the exception of a tablet comparable to the iPad in the Android world, I can jump back and forth easily, Android has matured nicely.

 

[JAG87]

But that's with a contract.. So people are still paying hundreds of $ for them..

For god's sake, a 2 year contract is just a $500 subsidy spread over 24 months. There's nothing complex about a contract. You either pony up upfront and pay less for your no-term plan or save money on the phone and pay more for your term plan. Most people choose the latter.

The launch price of the S7 was $399 here, if it's now selling for $0 with a junk trade-in you're effectively discounting the phone by $400. The lowest the 6s has been on sale with trade-ins is $199, that's quite a difference considering the 6s is 10 months old and the S7 is 4 months old. If anything it should be the other way around...

Hum? I, think that's exactly what short supply is.. When you have not enough of something other party wants?

Why exactly is that, I can't really understand, since I laughed of this tiny phone when it was announced. But apparently, there are a lot of people with few specific needs that can work on such a tiny screen, and the price is right for them. Go figure.

What I meant is controlled supply, not short supply.

The reason for it is that the SE is latest-gen hardware wise (minus the shell), and it sells for $0 (well $99 in Canada thanks to the sucky $). This makes it extremely attractive to 1) entry-level customers who just want an iPhone or can't afford a better model 2) people who refuse to use anything bigger than 4", and 3) corporate customers who want the cheapest iPhone possible that runs their enterprise apps. These 3 categories make up a huge portion of the market.

On the long run, there is no chance for apple ecosystem to be trully mainstream on the global level, because of the price barrier, so in the end Android wins. Same as windows did.

Nobody disagrees with that, but the fact is that Apple does not care about being mainstream. They only care about being the best. This has been said many times over and over by their own executives. They don't care about total units, they care about revenue per unit.

And PSA: Apple buyers don't buy their devices for the hardware. They couldn't give a fvck about the hardware. Apple customers walk in knowing they are going to buy an Apple device without knowing which model and they ask: what's the difference? And if the answer isn't convincing enough, they just take the lower model and save money. They don't even look at the competition because they are there to buy iOS or macOS, not the device itself.

 

[ponyo]

OP does the same thing in the Garage forum with Hyundai once in a while.
Despite Hyundai not getting basics right like spot welds.

Praise be unto the glorious nation state of Korea. Glory to thee.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2478300

He's Korea #1 fan.

 

[Artdeco]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2478300

He's Korea #1 fan.

Sort of supports the shill theory, don't think he's Korean.

 

[Commodus]

That's just ridiculous reasoning. That will be the time for pent-up iphone buyers to all make their move. Of course iphone7 is going to crush everything at that point.

I think the important thing is that any one phone has outsold iphone in the US of A AT ANY POINT in its, or the iphones, shelf life.

There are so many constructs that we can use to compare. For example, I could say "productive people (in consumer space) buy GS7 90%". Because, technically, GS7 (and android) are far more advanced and capable, theoretically. iPhone SE, I could say, is nearly useless for anything other than IM, and even there it's not ideal. Basically, the only thing it has going for it is one-handed-usage, which is, for whatever reason, so important to many people.


But that does not really matter. Iphone is the topdog. Every sale GS can steal, is a win. And they have been stealing sales from iphone, increasingly.

On the long run, there is no chance for apple ecosystem to be trully mainstream on the global level, because of the price barrier, so in the end Android wins. Same as windows did.

Well, it's about as ridiculous as proclaiming a sea change because the GS7 is doing well in its first full quarter on the market. It'd be fairer to say that you need to study sales in both historically strong and quiet periods to see how well it's selling.

And Android already has its majority. I don't think Apple is worried about selling the most -- it's just interested in selling enough to maintain a healthy profit and preserve its ecosystem. Besides, it's always funny when folks say "look at how well Android is doing!" at the same time as many Android makers are in a hurry to kill themselves in the name of more market share.

 

[Artdeco]

I'm curious what apple's game is, they're typically more market savvy than to market what I'm hearing is coming out, we shall see.

 

[ControlD]

I'm curious what apple's game is, they're typically more market savvy than to market what I'm hearing is coming out, we shall see.

Apparently their game is "sell more Beats headphones".

 

[poofyhairguy]

I'm curious what apple's game is, they're typically more market savvy than to market what I'm hearing is coming out, we shall see.

I think this is the "burn it down" generation for Apple. And business textbooks will look back at this cycle as yet ANOTHER brilliant move Apple has made that no other company would make.

iPhone sales expectations became a monster in their own right. All these investors kept expecting exponential growth in a pretty saturated market, something had to give.

The iPhone 7 is meant to reset expectations. Given how it will be a 6S with new features regular people marginally care about (a Galaxy-level camera finally, a new SoC, water resistant but not waterproof, etc.), along with a HUGE omission that will capture headlines for MONTHS (get ready for "Headphonegate" everyone), and the iPhone 7 will be widely regarded all as a flop and everyone with two braincells will "predict" that the iPhone as a product category is done-for.

Then once expectations are lower, Apple releases the "Ten Year Anniversary Edition" in 2017 with the edge-to-edge OLED screen and wireless charging we here have wanted on an iPhone since last year. THAT iPhone will be a HUGE hit, HUGE, like the hottest selling iPhone ever. No one will care it also lacks a headphone jack, nor will they remember how bad this 2016 cycle was. All the headlines will be "Apple/The iPhone is BACK!" and investors will pump up Apple stock giving it the resources it needs to move into a post-iPhone world (cars?) when it's clear today the 2017 model will probably be the last exciting iPhone for a while.

I am not worried for Apple, they have the resources to ride through a "rough" year. I have gotten to the point where I feel bad for the poor people who buy iPhones off the "S Cycle," those people have been getting screwed for years (outside of the iPhone 5):

iPhone 3G- Weak SoC, faster speeds but held back by weak SoC

iPhone 3GS- monster SoC for the time with the same GPU as the much larger iPad

iPhone 4 - borked antenna, and a retina screen with the same GPU as the 3GS. Didn't age well due to a low power-per-pixel

iPhone 4S - Siri, 512mb RAM, got updates longer than any smartphone ever made

iPhone 5 - fast SoC, more effective RAM than two phones that followed it, larger screen, the greatest non-S iPhone ever

iPhone 5S - fingerprint reader, monster SoC, more power-per-pixel than phone that followed it, still not outdated in looks thanks to SE model

iPhone 6 - tragedy of 1GB of RAM combined with a behind-the-market camera, kinda weak SoC relatively, bends too easy

iPhone 6S - 2GB of RAM, monster SoC compared to 6, harder to bend, force touch is actually useful sometimes

iPhone 7 - better camera, maybe more RAM on plus model, and probably a MONO set of two speakers, in trade for losing a functionally perfect jack used to transmit audio since the 1970s

iPhone 8 - OLED edge to edge, doesn't matter what else it has as this is what the iPhone line needs more than ANYTHING as LCD screens and bezels are blah


Really goes to show that people who have bought on the non-S years have just gotten screwed and will continue to be screwed while those who bought S model got some of the best value the smartphone industry will ever see.

 

[JAG87]

Most people don't read Apple news online, have no clue that the 2017 iPhone will actually drop the bomb, and the sales person in the store will certainly not be like "hey, you should wait for next year!". Apple is being smart releasing the least exciting iPhone on the 2 year anniversary of the greatest selling iPhone. When 2-year iPhone 6 contracts come to an end this fall (and we all know how many millions of those there are), people will be faced with the option of keeping a worn out phone, spend money on replacing the battery or whatever parts need fixing (there's an insane amount of people walking around with shattered screens), or sign a new 2 year contract. Most people won't bat an eye before they do the latter.

The iPhone 7 will sell extremely well, but a lot of people will regret their decision next year.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Most people don't read Apple news online, have no clue that the 2017 iPhone will actually drop the bomb, and the sales person in the store will certainly not be like "hey, you should wait for next year!"

True, that is the market dynamics at play.

I think this year will be different as REGULAR news outlets will have the sensational/clickbait headlines that regular people will understand- ie "Apple KILLED Your Headphones" "Apple Drops Support For Earbuds that Made Them Famous" "Apple Dropped a Feature You Won't Believe!"

Too bad headphonegate.com is already taken or one of us could have started a career in mobile journalism based on this very obvious set of events that will happen.