RussianSensation
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While it might not be a direct competitor to Intel's 14nm, or TSMC/GloFo's 14nm FinFETs in 2016, 14nm for Exynos 7420 is no marketing gimmick. The SoC mops the floor with Snapdragon 810 in perf/watt. HTC M9 is a total failure in terms of on screen/WiFi battery life, non-throttled and overall performance, overheating; and that's despite a 1080P screen. Sure, the "14nm" in Exynos 7420 might be mostly marketing from a transistor composition point of view, the amazing hardware in S6 is far from it. If we set aside iOS vs. Android, there is no phone in the world as well-rounded and as good as the S6 is today. If Z4 follows HTC with using 810, it will also be another inferior phone to the S6.
When looking at how smooth the S6/new version of TouchWiz is, it's clear that the combination of 7420 + Samsung's software optimization has produced one of the smoothest Android experiences, if not the smoothest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvNHWQ-BiA
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After so much fuss with the non-removable battery, I think it'll be fine.Numerous reviews vouched for it so I'm sold.
So much hyperbole and prediction that will most likely not stand the test of time. This GS6 is a good competitor specs-wise, but this has always been Samsung's hallmark. Unfortunately, expectations are dampened during demonstrations. So, please forgive me if I doubt what you're saying. Anyhoo, financially and growth-wise, their high-end phones were never the problem and I doubt this GS6 will change that. The issues were over-priced midrange and low-end products. Also, one has to wonder about their growth strategy. Now that there are little to no Samsung apps on their Android flagship, what will become of their ecosystem? What will become of Tizen and what advantage does it hold over Android? Will Samsung focus on Apple and the high end from now on and risk losing more marketshare or will they have a compelling answer for the midrange?
But, anyway, competition is good and the more the merrier. GS6 is a good effort and it'll be interesting to see how competitors will respond. Hopefully, they focus on battery efficiency and camera. I'm in the market for a >5.5" phone so it'll be interesting to see where things go.
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Exactly, watching what happens will be fascinating, pressure from all sides, and declining profits will force them to take some interesting risks.
The Edge series is compelling, but when I thought about it, I've never broken a screen, ever, but I suspect I would have if I had an Edge device with the screen wrapping around the edges. The reviewers are saying swiping from the edge of these devices is very convenient though.
I really like the idea of the Yota Phone, with e ink on the back and amazing battery life, would like to see Samsung's take on the form factor.
Galaxy S6 / S6 Edge Review (in a Scottish accent)
No more nature themes and bubbly water sounds.
Thank goodness.
No more nature themes and bubbly water sounds.
Thank goodness.
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Commodus
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That was one of the things I noticed when trying the GS6 briefly. It's still TouchWiz, for better or worse, but a lot of the bloat and annoying audiovisual elements are gone. It's not matching HTC Sense in terms of that lean feeling, but it's surprisingly close. Heck, I like that Samsung finally condensed its time/weather widget to one row so that it's not monopolizing the home screen.
lopri
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Teardown video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rXLJ2uJWnw#t=1018
The chips on mainboard share a giant heatsink and it is impossible to tell what is what. Ugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rXLJ2uJWnw#t=1018
The chips on mainboard share a giant heatsink and it is impossible to tell what is what. Ugh.
I actually can't believe Samsung had that for THREE iterations. Damn.
Can't really blame them though as the Galaxy S3 and S4 were successes.
Commodus
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Well, I kinda can. One of Samsung's biggest problems has been that it tends to conflate the success of a product with everything included in that product. Oh, the Galaxy S III was wildly successful, even though it had annoying sounds, gimmicky features no one used and a so-so (if iconic) plastic body? Well, you'll get those again... and again, and again. I honestly think Samsung would've kept going down that path forever if its sales didn't go so far south that it was obvious things had to change.
Yeah well Apple hasn't made the microphone any better for any iteration because they're selling well. Also their displays have the lowest resolution out of all flagship smartphones... This hasn't changed.
Once iPhone sales go down, then Apple will change again.
Basically a company will become lazy when there is no competition.
StrangerGuy
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If specs were so all that important the "failed" 5C so derided by Apple haters and the media wouldn't have outsold the S4 and S5.
VashHT
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Why so defensive? He was just saying apple isn't much different than samsung in that they get a little complacent about changing things when their current product is selling well. Not sure how the fact that a year old apple phone sold really well disproves his point.
StrangerGuy
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Me, defensive? I just stating the facts. The 5C was so much more crappier than the S5 in hardware and yet Apple still won. Little point winning the specs battle when you can't win the branding war.
If you keep making those crappy budget and mid-rangers all you are going to do in the long run is to erode your own branding power and make people not want to buy you again. Samsung basically spent massive marketing money in order to sell people those phones and quick-grab marketshare only to lost it shortly after, nevermind the profitability of this IMO boneheaded move.
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Except the 5C didn't outsell the S5.
The 5C and 5S did (combined sales).
If we count the 5C, then we should count the Galaxy Note 3, because the Galaxy Note series = Samsung's phablet flagship (much like the iPhone 6+ = Apple's phablet flagship).
And Apple had barely like 0.5 million more phones sold in Q4. Samsung still by far outsold Apple in Q1-Q3 2014 and in total sales for 2014.
I have no doubt that Samsung is going to outsell Apple this year as well. And by a much larger margin than in 2014 (probably comparable to 2012/2013 levels).
By the way, do you know why Xiaomi, Huawei, etc are not selling overseas? Because they would be hit by so many patent lawsuits that they would go bankrupt in a second if they reached overseas soil. Also, Xiaomi and ZTE are not making any profit (barely like $50~$500 million USD). That's about 1/500th~1/50th the profits of Apple and Samsung.
Xiaomi and ZTE were overhyped and their success is only limited to the Chinese market which turn in virtually no profits. Trust me, I have researched into this.
To companies like Samsung, market share is more important than sitting on a pile of cash. Why? Because Samsung wants more brand awareness. It sells more than just smartphones, tablets and music players. It's the world's largest electric vehicle battery manufacturer, the 2nd largest shipbuilder in the world, makes refrigerators, printers, washing machines, DRAM chips, processor chips, SSDs, monitors, TVs, high-end military turrets, cars (yes they make cars!), buildings (they built the tallest building in the world, the Burj Khalifa), flash memory, etc.
To Apple, profits are more important, because it needs capital to expand into other areas. Apple is a relatively tiny company in a macro sense. Sure, it's the most profitable company in the world with one of the largest asset values, but it's only known for a very small range of products and is not a manufacturer of advanced technological products. That means it has a much higher risk of failing in the future (yes, not short term, but long term future, I mean decades).
Apple will diversify though. They're entering the electric car market (they may possibly buy Tesla).
Despite people saying that the smartphone industry is saturated (it is, technically), the turnover rate is still very high. Much higher than cars, for example, which have a turnover rate of 6-10 years on average. Most people upgrade in 1-3 years on average, so smartphones will still sell very well in the medium term. Also, smartphones are much more profitable than selling larger items like buildings or cars.
That's why Apple and Samsung are profit making money machines.
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VashHT
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Yeah I understand what you said, just not sure how it relates to his point. It sounded more like "oh yeah well apple still sells more phones!" response to something unrelated. To me he was basically saying apple doesn't push their specs as much as they would if they had falling sales, it wasn't anything about samsung having better specs.
Anyway I just read a camera review and it looks like the S6 is a big improvement over the S5 camera-wise which is nice. My gf has an upgrade so I'm probably going to push her to get the S6, she has no need for a removable battery or SD card and her M7 is getting a bit crappy in the battery life department so she is due for a new phone. The M9 isn't looking that great either so I'm probably going to steer her away from that.
Commodus
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Samsung outsold Apple overall in 2014 because it has a fill-every-niche strategy to phone sales. It caters to everyone from power users to the super entry-level crowd that's just happy to have 3G. That Apple outshipped Samsung in Q4 should be raising alarm bells -- a company that focuses exclusively on the high end ($450 off-contract and up) outperformed the top Android manufacturer, despite the latter having a much broader product range, lower prices and a marketing spend that makes Apple look humble.
I'm not sure Apple's strategy is necessarily worse. It does have a greater chance of messing up if something goes wrong, but it's also focused in a way that Samsung isn't. How many Samsung phones are very obviously, er, phoned in? Most of them, unfortunately. Apple has to put its all into a handful of products because there's no "well, at least we'll always have washing machines" fallback.
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samsung is a powerhouse no doubt, people discounted them because the S4 and S5 were relatively mediocre, but they are coming back. i really like the approach samsung is taking with the s6 and i will definitely be upgrading to one from my m8. right now samsung is the only one beating the iphone in hardware consistently
the question is really how samsung is going to make a profit with their huge software division they developed for tizen now that most of the stock samsung apps are removed including touchwiz (i think).
the question is really how samsung is going to make a profit with their huge software division they developed for tizen now that most of the stock samsung apps are removed including touchwiz (i think).
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That's an interesting comparison. Goes to show how good Apple products really are. Also, all the hyperbole over this phone was just that. HTC's M9 and Apple's iPhone held their own. It'll be interesting to see how it performs IRL. With that said, Samsung has stepped up their game. They've made a decent product, if I do say so myself.
M9 looks shaky with really only onscreen GPU benches looking competitive due to the 1080p resolution. Take that with the lower battery life while running a larger battery and it's just not impressive.
It's a positive the S6 gets better battery life than the M9 while sporting a smaller battery and higher res screen, but I would have traded a little more thickness for some extra capacity.
Screen is great as expected - I'm glad Anandtech is able to step back from the raw measurements (where some deltas are simply meaningless these days) and give current AMOLEDs their due - they really are stunning screens overall. Amazing contrast, bright, color accurate, extremely high res, and power efficient
Oh - and I thought Anandtech starting running default browser tests. Basically testing how well an OEM optimized for Chrome seems to be a odd test for performance. Did they start adding default browser performance and find it to be much higher?
<edit> It was the Exynos Note 4 review recently. For example Kraken on the Note 4 went from 6756 to 4153. Similar gains with the Exynos 7420 would probably map to other benches where only tablet SOCs can run with it. Again hopefully the full review will continue this practice.
It's a positive the S6 gets better battery life than the M9 while sporting a smaller battery and higher res screen, but I would have traded a little more thickness for some extra capacity.
Screen is great as expected - I'm glad Anandtech is able to step back from the raw measurements (where some deltas are simply meaningless these days) and give current AMOLEDs their due - they really are stunning screens overall. Amazing contrast, bright, color accurate, extremely high res, and power efficient
Oh - and I thought Anandtech starting running default browser tests. Basically testing how well an OEM optimized for Chrome seems to be a odd test for performance. Did they start adding default browser performance and find it to be much higher?
<edit> It was the Exynos Note 4 review recently. For example Kraken on the Note 4 went from 6756 to 4153. Similar gains with the Exynos 7420 would probably map to other benches where only tablet SOCs can run with it. Again hopefully the full review will continue this practice.
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