Samsung designer talking about the new GALAXY S6

[tortillasoup]

Why do people need removable batteries? Is it really that much more convenient to carry than a USB battery pack or is it just that they're used to it and don't want to change?

When batteries fail, what should the average consumer do? Even in a years time, a lot of batteries lose a significant amount of capacity.

 

[TheSlamma]

Samsung or SameSong makes me Yawn

 

[lxskllr]

When batteries fail, what should the average consumer do? Even in a years time, a lot of batteries lose a significant amount of capacity.

Yup. Batteries are an inherently expendable part. A cpu or ram can practically last forever. The only way to make a battery last "forever" is to not use it, and that has it's limits.

 

[Lonyo]

Why do people need removable batteries? Is it really that much more convenient to carry than a USB battery pack or is it just that they're used to it and don't want to change?

Ever forgotten to charge your phone?
Or been out for a wander for a period of days instead of mere hours?
You could buy an external power pack, or you could have extra batteries. Extra batteries are smaller and provide a known capacity of power, and don't need to be plugged in to recharge the internal battery.

The lack of MicroSD slot is unforgivable though. I have an S3 and recently (<6mo) got a 128GB MicroSD card upgrade, partly on the basis I would be able to use it when I upgraded phone. Well, I still will be able to, it just means Samsung made sure my next phone won't be an S6.
Lumia 640 here we come.

 

[SSSnail]

We recently got rid of our home line and got 2 Samsung S3, one for me, one for my wife, hoping to save a little bit of money with the older phone version.

Well, what a mistake. My wife hated the phone from day one. The phone would lose the connection in the middle of a call, go dark as soon as she had it to her ear and it was beyond her understanding how to light up the screen again. So when she broke the charging port after 2 months of use and the warranty would not cover it, it gave me a good excuse to get her a decent phone.

IPhone 6, no less and she loves it, especially how easy it is to switch a call to facetime and chat with our granddaughter. What a difference.

No more Samsung for us and I don't care how many curves it has.

I just can't wait for mine to breakdown. (I got rid of the protective case so it shouldn't take too long). Hopefully the next IPhone version will be out by then.

If this is true, then you're both retarded and are the perfect targeted demographic for iPhone; otherwise, excellent trolling.

 

[KK]

I'm a die hard supporter of the samsung lines, but I think this S6 is doomed and cannot support this direction. My upgrade is up in august and I highly doubt the S6 is going to even be a thought.

 

[olds]

Why do people need removable batteries? Is it really that much more convenient to carry than a USB battery pack or is it just that they're used to it and don't want to change?

 

[Rakehellion]

Yup. Batteries are an inherently expendable part. A cpu or ram can practically last forever. The only way to make a battery last "forever" is to not use it, and that has it's limits.

In that case, is there anyone on this site who doesn't know how to use a screwdriver? I'm still not convinced this is a legitimate argument.

 

[Rakehellion]

Ever forgotten to charge your phone?
Or been out for a wander for a period of days instead of mere hours?
You could buy an external power pack, or you could have extra batteries. Extra batteries are smaller and provide a known capacity of power, and don't need to be plugged in to recharge the internal battery.

What if you forget to charge your extra battery?

A spare battery is smaller, but not much smaller than a USB pack, to the point that they're both something I'd want to keep in a jacket pocket or a briefcase out of the way. Also, a USB pack will work on any phone. I fail to see how this isn't an enormous advantage. If my friend's battery dies, I can charge their phone too. Or if I get a new phone next year I don't need to buy a new battery.

People rip on Apple for having proprietary cables, but proprietary batteries are A-OK for some reason?

 

[lxskllr]

but proprietary batteries are A-OK for some reason?

No, they aren't ok at all. If I ran the world, there'd be around three cell phone battery sizes, and they'd all be easy to exchange by a slightly below average end user. Companies would compete on quality by fitting the most power in the same physical size, just like today with normal consumer batteries(AAA, AA, D, C...)

 

[Rakehellion]

If I ran the world, there'd be around three cell phone battery sizes, and they'd all be easy to exchange by a slightly below average end user.

If I ran the world, there'd only be two bra sizes, D and DD.

But yeah, I'll keep my USB battery pack because I think it's about 1000x more convenient than buying a battery for every phone and buying a separate charger for every battery.

 

[SSSnail]

In that case, is there anyone on this site who doesn't know how to use a screwdriver? I'm still not convinced this is a legitimate argument.

Yeah, because if a component that's not made to be removable is going to be a breeze when trying to remove it.

And if course everyone should have a soldering kit laying around, too.

Just because you don't have a need for it doesn't mean no one else doesn't, either.

 

[lxskllr]

Yeah, because if a component that's not made to be removable is going to be a breeze when trying to remove it.

Only 12 simple steps to remove the battery. Anyone who isn't a n00b should be able to handle that while driving into work.

:^P

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6+Teardown/29213

 

[tortillasoup]

Only 12 simple steps to remove the battery. Anyone who isn't a n00b should be able to handle that while driving into work.

:^P

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6+Teardown/29213

only 12 steps... are you serious? Yeah, mom I know your battery in your phone is bad... What you're going to have to do is take it apart and replace the battery. I've already mailed you the battery, and I e-mailed you the instructions. You'll be fine, and if you have any questions just post the question on a message board. What do you mean you don't have any tools? Yes you have to use a suction cup to open the phone.



The above will never happen.... However with a Galaxy S4 phone, I can conceivably mail her a battery and she can replace the battery herself.

 

[DesiPower]

Why do people need removable batteries? Is it really that much more convenient to carry than a USB battery pack or is it just that they're used to it and don't want to change?

I have S4 from work, the battery life after about a year's worth of use went really downhill. I would barely last 20 hours on standby. I got a new battery and it was back to normal.

 

[elitejp]

ya this removable battery stuff is just way overblown. Everyone I know has a usb battery pack and the great thing is that if my phone is dead i can use their usb charger. In fact multiple people can charge off of one pack at the same time. If your battery is really failing (had mine for 2 years no problem) im sure you could just send it in to a professional or get someone locally to change it out for you or buy a battery off of ebay and do it yourself or many other varied options.
As for micro sd its another non issue. Connect to your computer or the cloud or whatever. Seriously what are you keeping on your phone that needs 128g. Once in a while you got to use your delete option.

Im not saying these arent good features but im not gonna pull my hair out over this.

 

[tortillasoup]

ya this removable battery stuff is just way overblown. Everyone I know has a usb battery pack and the great thing is that if my phone is dead i can use their usb charger. In fact multiple people can charge off of one pack at the same time. If your battery is really failing (had mine for 2 years no problem) im sure you could just send it in to a professional or get someone locally to change it out for you or buy a battery off of ebay and do it yourself or many other varied options.
As for micro sd its another non issue. Connect to your computer or the cloud or whatever. Seriously what are you keeping on your phone that needs 128g. Once in a while you got to use your delete option.

Im not saying these arent good features but im not gonna pull my hair out over this.

How does a usb battery pack help a person with their battery is failing? It doesn't....

 

[elitejp]

read the whole paragraph.

But since this is an issue how many times has your battery failed?

 

[tortillasoup]

read the whole paragraph.

But since this is an issue how many times has your battery failed?

I'm using an HTC Amaze 4G, going to be on my 3rd battery soon. I'm super cheap but at $5-15 per battery, it's pretty easy to justify an upgrade. The batteries do not outright fail, they just steadily lose capacity. My Mom's Galaxy S4 is starting to get weak in the battery department and so I'll be getting her a battery soon.


Everyone I know who has an iPhone complains about crappy battery life, especially ones with older phones.

 

[elitejp]

I do appreciate the response. i also have an s4. i do think with older phones it might have a bit to do with what peoples expectations are compared to new phones.
I guess in my circle it isnt really a topic thats mentioned.

 

[gorcorps]

We recently got rid of our home line and got 2 Samsung S3, one for me, one for my wife, hoping to save a little bit of money with the older phone version.

Well, what a mistake. My wife hated the phone from day one. The phone would lose the connection in the middle of a call, go dark as soon as she had it to her ear and it was beyond her understanding how to light up the screen again. So when she broke the charging port after 2 months of use and the warranty would not cover it, it gave me a good excuse to get her a decent phone.

IPhone 6, no less and she loves it, especially how easy it is to switch a call to facetime and chat with our granddaughter. What a difference.

No more Samsung for us and I don't care how many curves it has.

I just can't wait for mine to breakdown. (I got rid of the protective case so it shouldn't take too long). Hopefully the next IPhone version will be out by then.

Face detection on the iphone literally works exactly like it does on android.

are you being intentionally stupid just to start a flame war?

 

[StrangerGuy]

How does a usb battery pack help a person with their battery is failing? It doesn't....

Gotta love the very first thing for removable battery detractors to say are "Use external battery packs!", while comically missing the point that batteries inevitably will degrade well within the useful life of massively overpowered SoCs for the average user.

But then again, I'm never paying for a high end Android phone because I don't use my phone to run useless synthetic benchmarks, a 1080p screen is plenty dense, I like my microSD and Dual-sim so...

 

[sm625]

Galaxy S4 is still a very respectable device that can run everything anyone needs fairly well. If it had no replaceable battery, all those S4's on Ting and Swappa would be worth half of what they are....

 

[mrochester]

What if you forget to charge your extra battery?

A spare battery is smaller, but not much smaller than a USB pack, to the point that they're both something I'd want to keep in a jacket pocket or a briefcase out of the way. Also, a USB pack will work on any phone. I fail to see how this isn't an enormous advantage. If my friend's battery dies, I can charge their phone too. Or if I get a new phone next year I don't need to buy a new battery.

People rip on Apple for having proprietary cables, but proprietary batteries are A-OK for some reason?

I've never forgotten to charge my phone nor do I go anywhere where there isn't an electrical socket for me to charge my phone. A bit of thought and care makes non-removable batteries a non-issue.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Everyone I know who has an iPhone complains about crappy battery life, especially ones with older phones.

Yeah, it's something that has surprised me before in the past since iPhones generally had better battery life a few years ago when they were new. It's even more noticeable now when they only have about equal battery life when new.