Same sex marraige resumes in California

[Retro Rob]

If you honestly think it's appropriate to be violent because a man looks at your junk then you probably need to chill out. It's gross and rude but so is staring at a woman's cleavage or at her breasts or camel toe at the beach. Neither situation warrants violence.

Violence is not appropriate, neither is it for a guy to check out a strangers junk.

We can't control how others act, and if they do become violent, realize the small part you played by looking at his privates and violating his right to privacy in a bathroom.

 

[randomrogue]

This is juvenile. Honestly who even gets into fights after middle school? I have a big dick. People look. Who gives a shit? I can't imagine how immature or self conscious I would have to be to start a fight over it. Besides, if you don't want people to look use a stall. Not that hard.

 

[Retro Rob]

This is juvenile. Honestly who even gets into fights after middle school? I have a big dick. People look. Who gives a shit? I can't imagine how immature or self conscious I would have to be to start a fight over it. Besides, if you don't want people to look use a stall. Not that hard.

Some people do. Honestly, I don't want any man looking, but I wouldn't fight over something avoidable.

My point is, everyone isn't mature enough to "use a stall", and frankly, I shouldn't have to to keep people from looking.

Why not just simply respect others instead of demanding others change to make you comfortable? That's the only way we can get along, stop demanding others make the change, why not show your respect?

Everyone is different.

 

[Retro Rob]

Maybe we ought to start raising our kids outside this fantasy world libs are trying to make -- that everyone will be accepting and open arms regardless if you're gay, bi, trans, black, etc and if anyone dare "deny" you something you want, you get to kick, yell and scream to the Government about how your "rights" are being violated, and how everyone not agreeing with you are bigoted and you're better that them, and they should move to Afganistan.

I feel sorry for the children really, being raised in a world of "gimme gimme gimme" or I'm gonna take you to court or I'll be offended and you'll be a racist. "My rights" this and "my rights" that, a generation of no accountability and natural entitlement.

Anyone wanting children... Don't, you'll live to regret it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Maybe we ought to start raising our kids outside this fantasy world libs are trying to make -- that everyone will be accepting and open arms regardless if you're gay, bi, trans, black, etc and if anyone dare "deny" you something you want, you get to kick, yell and scream to the Government about how your "rights" are being violated, and how everyone not agreeing with you are bigoted and you're better that them, and they should move to Afganistan.

I feel sorry for the children really, being raised in a world of "gimme gimme gimme" or I'm gonna take you to court or I'll be offended and you'll be a racist. "My rights" this and "my rights" that, a generation of no accountability and natural entitlement.

Anyone wanting children... Don't, you'll live to regret it.

Are you ok with that for your rights as well or just for others?

 

[zsdersw]

Some people do. Honestly, I don't want any man looking, but I wouldn't fight over something avoidable.

My point is, everyone isn't mature enough to "use a stall", and frankly, I shouldn't have to to keep people from looking.

Why not just simply respect others instead of demanding others change to make you comfortable? That's the only way we can get along, stop demanding others make the change, why not show your respect?

Everyone is different.

Tell that to the "there's a war on Christmas!!!" crowd and the people who whine and complain about gay pride parades.

 

[futurefields]

We don't separate bathrooms at home by gender, why do we separate them in public?

 

[Retro Rob]

Are you ok with that for your rights as well or just for others?

There is a difference between rights and what you simply want to do, or insisting on your personal rights is what I was really taking about.

If I understand you correctly, I benefit from others fighting for rights I have, but its the attitude of entitlement, not so much the rights in and of themselves, that I take issue with.

 

[Retro Rob]

Tell that to the "there's a war on Christmas!!!" crowd and the people who whine and complain about gay pride parades.

Fwiw, I agree -- and secondly, no ones required to acknowledge that pagan holiday away.

Happy Holidays is more than sufficient. If we can march for Martin, gays can have parades. Simple.

 

[sandorski]

Maybe we ought to start raising our kids outside this fantasy world libs are trying to make -- that everyone will be accepting and open arms regardless if you're gay, bi, trans, black, etc and if anyone dare "deny" you something you want, you get to kick, yell and scream to the Government about how your "rights" are being violated, and how everyone not agreeing with you are bigoted and you're better that them, and they should move to Afganistan.

I feel sorry for the children really, being raised in a world of "gimme gimme gimme" or I'm gonna take you to court or I'll be offended and you'll be a racist. "My rights" this and "my rights" that, a generation of no accountability and natural entitlement.

Anyone wanting children... Don't, you'll live to regret it.

I would prefer we raised our children outside the fantasy of "god", the Bible, or Religion in general.

 

[randomrogue]

lol oh the irony. Rob that was some serious foot in mouth lol

How hard is it to understand that denying someone their rights due to their race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, etc is wrong? Why can't you get this through your head?

 

[futurefields]

Can we discuss my question? Its relevant to the thread topic, even if indirectly.

 

[randomrogue]

You're worried about which bathroom gay men should use and are wondering about everyone's home bathrooms. You also wasted our time going on a rant about how gay men gross you out and you hate being hit on by them. Honestly if you can't contribute to the topic get out of my thread.

 

[WelshBloke]

We don't separate bathrooms at home by gender, why do we separate them in public?

Do several people use your bathroom at home at the same time?

 

[busydude]

Can we discuss my question? Its relevant to the thread topic, even if indirectly.

Create a separate thread. I feel this isn't a relevant issue here.

 

[zsdersw]

Can we discuss my question? Its relevant to the thread topic, even if indirectly.

We have bathrooms separated by gender because there is not a constituency large enough to change things. I, personally, don't have a problem with unisex bathrooms... but I'm sure a majority of people do.

 

[futurefields]

Ok cool. So the thread discussion is limited to strictly the issue of gay marriage itself. I'll go ahead and bow out since I already shared my opinion on that.

 

[Craig234]

There is a difference between rights and what you simply want to do, or insisting on your personal rights is what I was really taking about.

If I understand you correctly, I benefit from others fighting for rights I have, but its the attitude of entitlement, not so much the rights in and of themselves, that I take issue with.

Ya, right. Do you feel entitled to the right to marry equal to others?

 

[Craig234]

Maybe we ought to start raising our kids outside this fantasy world libs are trying to make -- that everyone will be accepting and open arms regardless if you're gay, bi, trans, black, etc and if anyone dare "deny" you something you want, you get to kick, yell and scream to the Government about how your "rights" are being violated, and how everyone not agreeing with you are bigoted and you're better that them, and they should move to Afganistan.

I feel sorry for the children really, being raised in a world of "gimme gimme gimme" or I'm gonna take you to court or I'll be offended and you'll be a racist. "My rights" this and "my rights" that, a generation of no accountability and natural entitlement.

Anyone wanting children... Don't, you'll live to regret it.

So people not wanting to be discriminated against - blacks wanting to sit anywhere on the bus, women wanting to vote, you wanting to get married - is 'entitlement' and bad?

Rob, your whining about people being called racist if they say they want blacks not to be allowed to marry or be admitted to public facilities is correct. They're racist.

You're highly irrational to call people wanting equal rights, being against discrimination for no good reason, the problem in that scenario.

I suppose you can't stand the blacks who wanted to go to all-white colleges, who felt 'entitled' to not be discriminated against? Youre views are perverse and evil.

 

[Craig234]

You and your flagrant abuse of comparing being gay with being black is laughable. We've established that being gay may have genetic roots (not an established fact) and the other part of it is behavioral.

No, we haven't. With few exceptions, people are 'naturally' the sexual orientation they are.

You're trying to insinuate 'behavioral' like orientation is largely a choice for all gays.

There's no abuse - they're very analogous in the bigotry, bigotry you're guilty of. It's equally bad for gays, or race, or any other trait of people.

Being a black is clearly something determined before we're even born, and last I checked, being African-America has nothing to with behavior.

You have to realize why this comparison stinks -- race is something we're irrefutably born with, being homosexual is pretty darn far from being scientifically irrefutable as something that's determined in the womb.

However much it's determined 'in the womb', or in the week after birth, or six months after birth, the fact is it's generally a biological determination.

Moreso for male homosexuality, at least - the same is true for many lesbians, but I suspect a larger number of women have more environment/choice involed. Not too relevant, though.

The 'behavioral' distinction is irrelevant as well. Sexual orientation influences action.

 

[Retro Rob]

Ya, right. Do you feel entitled to the right to marry equal to others?

Now you're being obtuse.

I mean in the sense that one feels his is deserving of a benefit or reward, key word "deserving". No, I don't feel I deserve something because someone else has it.

People with this disposition don't care about the result, only the outcome.

 

[Retro Rob]

So people not wanting to be discriminated against - blacks wanting to sit anywhere on the bus, women wanting to vote, you wanting to get married - is 'entitlement' and bad?

Rob, your whining about people being called racist if they say they want blacks not to be allowed to marry or be admitted to public facilities is correct. They're racist.

You're highly irrational to call people wanting equal rights, being against discrimination for no good reason, the problem in that scenario.

I suppose you can't stand the blacks who wanted to go to all-white colleges, who felt 'entitled' to not be discriminated against? Youre views are perverse and evil.

You focus on blacks a lot. Why not just focus on the issue and stop your idiotic deflecting? Are you mad blacks got their rights and are trying to hide your deep-seated racism?

I say "gays", you bring "blacks" into it -- all.the.time.

You have no argument for gays on their own merit, so you constantly defect, deflect, deflect, and.... deflect.

Make a case for gays, blacks got their rights... no need to keep drumming that stuff back up.

 

[smackababy]

Now you're being obtuse.

I mean in the sense that one feels his is deserving of a benefit or reward, key word "deserving". No, I don't feel I deserve something because someone else has it.

People with this disposition don't care about the result, only the outcome.

You clearly don't understand the marriage EQUALITY movement. They feel, as Americas, they ARE deserving of every right Americans should be given. Some were already given these rights and others denied simply because of sexual orientation. That, however, is quickly coming to an end.

And you love to belly ache about how people compare gays being discriminated against vs blacks. Yes, blacks have historically had it a lot worse, but gays are being killed, yes killed, for simply being gay. So, is it okay to discriminate against someone as long as it is not as bad as someone else once had it?

 

[Craig234]

You focus on blacks a lot. Why not just focus on the issue and stop your idiotic deflecting? Are you mad blacks got their rights and are trying to hide your deep-seated racism?

I say "gays", you bring "blacks" into it -- all.the.time.

You have no argument for gays on their own merit, so you constantly defect, deflect, deflect, and.... deflect.

Make a case for gays, blacks got their rights... no need to keep drumming that stuff back up.

You're inappropriate in tone. I've told you before, now you can go on ignore.

But on race, your desperate attempt to try to attack the argument against bigotry as if that's bigotry is just embarrassing for you.

The ugliness of your bigotry is the same as it is for any bigotry, including race, making that analogy very useful for discussing the issue. You don't like it because it's true.

No argument for gays on their own merit? That's a lie - the vast majority I post is that.

The ugliness of bigotry is what you don't like being pointed out, because you look bad for it - instead of learning and correcting your bigotry, you lash out when the truth is told.

 

[Craig234]

You clearly don't understand the marriage EQUALITY movement. They feel, as Americas, they ARE deserving of every right Americans should be given. Some were already given these rights and others denied simply because of sexual orientation. That, however, is quickly coming to an end.

And you love to belly ache about how people compare gays being discriminated against vs blacks. Yes, blacks have historically had it a lot worse, but gays are being killed, yes killed, for simply being gay. So, is it okay to discriminate against someone as long as it is not as bad as someone else once had it?

Exactly. Sitting on the front or back of the bus is absolutely trivial in terms of the harm to the person - yet we honor Rosa Parks for a reason, because the symbolism, the respect, the principle of opposing bigotry is so important. Killing the discriminated group, imprisonsing them, firing them, preventing their marriage, denying them access to the 'same but equal' favilities, sitting in the back of the bus - very different in impact, but very similar in the principle that they are wrong discrimination.

That's why 'the word marriage' matters - even if 'civil unions' had the same rights, which they don't, it's not ok any more than sitting on equal seats in the back of the bus is ok.