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Same sex marraige resumes in California

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busydude said:
Redefine marriage? How about making divorce legal? Didn't that count as redefining marriage then? 50% of married people in US just redefined marriage.
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So your argument is that redefining marriage by legalizing divorce was such a big success that we should continue redefining marriage?
 
Hypothetical scenario:

A friend of yours comes out as gay, and invites you to their wedding. You attend the wedding, but find yourself in a situation where you have a gay man trying to make eyes with you at the wedding. This person finds you attractive and thinks there is a chance you might also be gay. Or... it might not even matter if he thinks your gay or not, in fact, if your straight that make you even more desirable to him, since you are what is called "forbidden fruit" in the gay community (http://gaylife.about.com/od/gaysexadvice/qt/guycannothave.htm) and after the ceremony this guy approaches you and now are in the situation where you have to tell this guy you aren't gay, but even still, now you know there is a man there who would like to be having gay sex with you, etc etc... it's a horrifying situation for a straight man to be in.
 
futurefields said:
Hypothetical scenario:

A friend of yours comes out as gay, and invites you to their wedding. You attend the wedding, but find yourself in a situation where you have a gay man trying to make eyes with you at the wedding. This person finds you attractive and thinks there is a chance you might also be gay. Or... it might not even matter if he thinks your gay or not, in fact, if your straight that make you even more desirable to him, since you are what is called "forbidden fruit" in the gay community (http://gaylife.about.com/od/gaysexadvice/qt/guycannothave.htm) and after the ceremony this guy approaches you and now are in the situation where you have to tell this guy you aren't gay, but even still, now you know there is a man there who would like to be having gay sex with you, etc etc... it's a horrifying situation for a straight man to be in.
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I would take it as a compliment and shrug it off. It isn't horrifying at all.
 
futurefields said:
Hypothetical scenario:

A friend of yours comes out as gay, and invites you to their wedding. You attend the wedding, but find yourself in a situation where you have a gay man trying to make eyes with you at the wedding. This person finds you attractive and thinks there is a chance you might also be gay. Or... it might not even matter if he thinks your gay or not, in fact, if your straight that make you even more desirable to him, since you are what is called "forbidden fruit" in the gay community (http://gaylife.about.com/od/gaysexadvice/qt/guycannothave.htm) and after the ceremony this guy approaches you and now are in the situation where you have to tell this guy you aren't gay, but even still, now you know there is a man there who would like to be having gay sex with you, etc etc... it's a horrifying situation for a straight man to be in.
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boohoo

Srsly, so what?
 
futurefields said:
Hypothetical scenario:

A friend of yours comes out as gay, and invites you to their wedding. You attend the wedding, but find yourself in a situation where you have a gay man trying to make eyes with you at the wedding. This person finds you attractive and thinks there is a chance you might also be gay. Or... it might not even matter if he thinks your gay or not, in fact, if your straight that make you even more desirable to him, since you are what is called "forbidden fruit" in the gay community (http://gaylife.about.com/od/gaysexadvice/qt/guycannothave.htm) and after the ceremony this guy approaches you and now are in the situation where you have to tell this guy you aren't gay, but even still, now you know there is a man there who would like to be having gay sex with you, etc etc... it's a horrifying situation for a straight man to be in.
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The horrifying is your problem. What do you do if a woman you aren't interested in is interested? Politely decline. The 'horrifying' is just more bigotry on your part.
 
Rob M. said:
I think the mistake has been made of comparing not receiving cash benefits (you aren't being told you CANT love someone of the same-sex) with being slaves, and being denied EVERY RIGHT as blacks were.

I don't know how gays and their proponents get away with such lunacy. Not being allowed to marry is the same as being killed for being black, being beaten, mistreated, women slaves being raped? Are we going down that path?

I'm willing to bet that ex-slaves and pre-civil rights movement blacks wish that all they were denied was the "right" to marry instead of the things they dealt with. Not getting money for being married would have been desirable compared to the countless other acts of inhumanity and injustice -- you guys need to stop these ignorant comparisons.

You guys are spoiled whiners. I can't marry whom I want, you may as well beat me and string me up to a tree -- its all the same! 🙄

Right Craig?
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It's all about the bigotry behind it.

So I can deny YOU the right to marry and it's no big deal since it's not killing you?

You need to learn how analogies work. The point isn't te severity of the harm.

How about I deny your religion its tax exempt status for no other reason than I don't like its views, and keep the status for other religions? No problem, right?
 
futurefields said:
Not wanting men to marry other men, is not the equivalent to the oppression of women in the Middle East, or segregation of races.

I do not deal in these kinds of generalizations because it's a waste of time, and completely irrellevant. We are discussing gay marriage.
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Yes, it is. The analogies are to help you. It make the point about gay marriage alone, you are discriminating without a valid justification. You don't udnerstand that.

The sorts of excuses you provide to try to claim you have a reason are flawed in the same way that other bigots' excuses for their unjustified discrimination are.
 
Craig234 said:
The horrifying is your problem. What do you do if a woman you aren't interested in is interested? Politely decline. The 'horrifying' is just more bigotry on your part.
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The thing is, it's not offensive to me when a woman I'm not interested in hits on me. Male/female sex at it's core doesn't disgust me, but male/male sex does.

Quit treating everything like it's equal.
 
futurefields said:
The thing is, it's not offensive to me when a woman I'm not interested in hits on me. Male/female sex at it's core doesn't disgust me, but male/male sex does.

Quit treating everything like it's equal.
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Thanks, there is no use trying to reason with you.
 
And there you have it. If you disagree with the modern, ultra-liberal "everything is equal" status quo mentality, you are an unreasonable person.

Long term impact weighs more heavily than short term appeasement. Why do we have separate male/female restrooms? If it's not acceptable for a man to be in a ladies room, is it not acceptable for a gay men to be in a men's room? Who gets to determine all of that?

So gay people are to use the same restroom of the gender they are sexually attracted to, while straight people are not?

That can't be right, can it?

How about transsexuals?
 
futurefields said:
The thing is, it's not offensive to me when a woman I'm not interested in hits on me. Male/female sex at it's core doesn't disgust me, but male/male sex does.

Quit treating everything like it's equal.
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It's almost amusing how badly you missed the point.

That's exactly the point that you feel so differently about being hit on by an 'unattractive woman' than by an 'unattractive man' (any man since you aren't gay).

You feel 'horrified', nauseated, like it's some serious problem you have to do something about that would traumatize you.

All of that helps tell you the problem you have of bigotry - that you can't simply understand 'some guys are gay, and take it as a compliment and say no thanks'.

In the old days, if a black expressed any attraction to a white woman, that was a good reason to lynch him for some - because they were horrofied, nauseated at the idea.

In order to make sure that sort of thing never happened, you had to send a message.

Look, 'gay sex' disgusts me too - but I recognize that it's just as natural for gays as heterosexual sex is for heterosexuals, and there's no justification to discriminate on it.

Anti-gay bigots seem not to grasp the concept of respecting other different people - imaging YOU were botn gay, how would you like to be treated? Knowing that your attractions 'disgusted' your family, your co-workers? Would you like them to spit in your face to punish you for disgusting them? Of course not, you would like them to respect you as a human being and be polite and respect your equal rights.

But you don't understand that idea - for you and so many anti-gay bigots, if you feel disgusted, that's justification to harm the people you feel disgusted by.

This is why tolerance is an education - learning that feeling 'disgust' at the idea of a man havnig sex with you is not any grounds for harming gay people with discrimination.

For a long time, society has blindly accepted bigotry and discrimination - it's time to right that wrong. And that's why it's the bigotry that needs to be socially unacceptable.
 
futurefields said:
And there you have it. If you disagree with the modern, ultra-liberal "everything is equal" status quo mentality, you are an unreasonable person.

Long term impact weighs more heavily than short term appeasement. Why do we have separate male/female restrooms? If it's not acceptable for a man to be in a ladies room, is it not acceptable for a gay men to be in a men's room? Who gets to determine all of that?

So gay people are to use the same restroom of the gender they are sexually attracted to, while straight people are not?

That can't be right, can it?

How about transsexuals?
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First, I notice the habit of more hysterical people to try to use words like 'ultra' thinking it helps their argument.

There are times to use the word, and this is not one of them.

Not everything is equal. Pointing out something that is - a gay person's rights with yours - isn't arguing other things. That's your hystrical reaction.

If you can't justify your harming people denying them rights, and continue to insist on doing so anyway, then yes, you are an unreasonable person.

You're right about restrooms. Because so many people are not comfortable with mixing the genders in the restroom, that is respected by providing facilities to separate them usually.

And it's true that many heterosexual men aren't comfortable with a gay man sharing the restroom (then again, many white men weren't comfortable with black men sharing it).

But what's a practical solution to that? Making four batherooms wherever there are two to have 'gay restrooms' - assuming all gays honestly disclose they are gay? Have gay men use women's restrooms (how about bi-sexual people?) How about just imprisoning all gay men so it doesn't come up?

Or just maybe, your not overreacting so much? Is the gay man with you in a restroom going to rush over for a look at your little privates and start drooling and moaning in lust?

We have social standards against staring and soliciting and such. Just get over it.

For reference on the social coade we have, here's an instructional video.

Seriously, watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw
 
futurefields said:
I'm not missing anything, Craig. I'm over being called a bigot and the various other veiled personal attacks. You guys enjoy your "discussion".
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It's not a personal attack. Why don't you respond to the points - try listening and learning about bigotry? I've said I don't think most bigots realize they are. Just maybe that's you?
 
We separate the mens and ladies rooms why? Because they have different genitals? What difference does it make? People don't go into bathrooms to meet people do they? Why don't we just make all bathrooms unisex if that's the case?
 
futurefields said:
And there you have it. If you disagree with the modern, ultra-liberal "everything is equal" status quo mentality, you are an unreasonable person.

Long term impact weighs more heavily than short term appeasement. Why do we have separate male/female restrooms? If it's not acceptable for a man to be in a ladies room, is it not acceptable for a gay men to be in a men's room? Who gets to determine all of that?

So gay people are to use the same restroom of the gender they are sexually attracted to, while straight people are not?

That can't be right, can it?

How about transsexuals?
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Thanks for the strawman. Still don't see a point in reason with you. Every post you make shows you how ignorant you are.

Absolutely no personal attacks in Discussion Club. -Admin DrPizza
 
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Every post I make shows me how ignorant I am?

That's interesting.

Yet still nobody can answer the question.

Which bathroom should gay men use?
 
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