If you're gonna use leaf, then you gotta use a bong and get a torch lighter. Like one of those jet flame dealios. Pack up a bowl of the leaf and put the torch to it and you can prolly rip it all down in one hit. Hold it in a looong time. You will definitely get effects. Once you know how to smoke the leaf it is pretty strong, but yeah the extracts are a lot stronger. Salvia is weird, I've done it and it's alright just not something I'd do a lot, and it only lasts a few minutes. But all this talk makes me wish I still had some!