Salon/Huffpo: Hillary is a disaster nominee worse than Trump

[Charmonium]

Keep sending Sanders voters our way. You're doing great homey.

You don't really believe that - do you? You honestly believe that people supporting a proud socialist candidate are going to switch over to a neo-fascist? Granted that socialism and fascism have a lot in common, but I doubt that most people see it that way.

 

[Brian Stirling]

You have Bernie supporters and you have Trump supporters and you have a very large number of angry voters that just happen to be either Bernie or Trump supporters. It isn't a huge leap to imagine that a good many Bernie voters will chose Trump over Hillary in the general. It is for this reason that anyone who thinks Hillary will defeat Trump easily have there head up there own ass.

Too many are too comfortable with there side and refuse to see that huge numbers of the American people are pissed and that after decades of taking it up the ass they are beginning, BEGINNING to fight back. In this regard I think the left is even more ostrich like than the right. Not that the right has a handle on WHY things are bad, they clearly have no clue, but too many on the left can't even accept that there are justifiable reasons why hundreds of millions of Americans are angry. Yes, I said hundreds of millions!

Although I would not have believed it possible in June it's looking more and more likely that the next president will be Trump.


Brian

 

[Jhhnn]

You have Bernie supporters and you have Trump supporters and you have a very large number of angry voters that just happen to be either Bernie or Trump supporters. It isn't a huge leap to imagine that a good many Bernie voters will chose Trump over Hillary in the general. It is for this reason that anyone who thinks Hillary will defeat Trump easily have there head up there own ass.

Too many are too comfortable with there side and refuse to see that huge numbers of the American people are pissed and that after decades of taking it up the ass they are beginning, BEGINNING to fight back. In this regard I think the left is even more ostrich like than the right. Not that the right has a handle on WHY things are bad, they clearly have no clue, but too many on the left can't even accept that there are justifiable reasons why hundreds of millions of Americans are angry. Yes, I said hundreds of millions!

Although I would not have believed it possible in June it's looking more and more likely that the next president will be Trump.


Brian

4/5 of the adult population is angry? Really?

I refuse to believe that enough Americans are blind stupid angry enough to make Trump president.

 

[Charmonium]

4/5 of the adult population is angry? Really?

I refuse to believe that enough Americans are blind stupid angry enough to make Trump president.

Yup. Voting age population as of 2012 was 235M so a bit more than 4/5ths.

 

[glenn1]

4/5 of the adult population is angry? Really?

I refuse to believe that enough Americans are blind stupid angry enough to make Trump president.

Dude, he's going to be running against Hillary so of course he has a chance. She couldn't beat a black dude with less than 4 years in the Senate last time and she's barely beating a 70 something Socialist now. Both her and Trump have negative net favorable ratings which means people even if lots aren't "blind stupid angry" they're also not hugely motivated to go vote for Hillary either since they hate her too.

 

[MongGrel]

Oh, you mean late to the game conversions for political gain. What happens when she's elected and the corporations turn on the heat? Her convictions are all about her ambition. Pardon me while I puke.

I'd hoped you were just being sarcastic for awhile now.

 

[compuwiz1]

Dude, he's going to be running against Hillary so of course he has a chance. She couldn't beat a black dude with less than 4 years in the Senate last time and she's barely beating a 70 something Socialist now. Both her and Trump have negative net favorable ratings which means people even if lots aren't "blind stupid angry" they're also not hugely motivated to go vote for Hillary either since they hate her too.

Trump rally attendance, vs. Hillary rally attendance. Explain that shit. Trump has way more enthusiasm going on.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dude, he's going to be running against Hillary so of course he has a chance. She couldn't beat a black dude with less than 4 years in the Senate last time and she's barely beating a 70 something Socialist now. Both her and Trump have negative net favorable ratings which means people even if lots aren't "blind stupid angry" they're also not hugely motivated to go vote for Hillary either since they hate her too.

Keep telling yourself that-

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/

Trump for president is a joke, a very bad joke for Repubs.

Can't trust Hillary?

It's perfectly obvious to a lot of Americans that you can't trust anybody so vain that they'd do that with their fucking hair.

 

[glenn1]

Keep telling yourself that-

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/

Trump for president is a joke, a very bad joke for Repubs.

Can't trust Hillary?

It's perfectly obvious to a lot of Americans that you can't trust anybody so vain that they'd do that with their fucking hair.

Telling myself what? I already said both have net unfavorable ratings. Is your argument really that people are going to line up to vote for the person with a median -10 unfavorable as a vote against the guy with -25 unfavorables? More likely than not it will be a low turnout election and I don't think we have any sense of which candidate that would benefit more.

 

[woolfe9998]

Telling myself what? I already said both have net unfavorable ratings. Is your argument really that people are going to line up to vote for the person with a median -10 unfavorable as a vote against the guy with -25 unfavorables? More likely than not it will be a low turnout election and I don't think we have any sense of which candidate that would benefit more.

I'm not sure both candidates having low favorability means a low turnout. If one candidate is substantially worse in favorables, and that is certainly the case here, there may be such fear and hatred of less favored candidate that people turn out just to make sure he isn't elected, not so much because they want the candidate who is moderately disfavored. The simple point being that dislike of candidates can cause people to go to the polls just as liking them can.

All that said, I'm not so sure how much predictive validity these favorables polls have right now for the general election. We'll see.

 

[Brian Stirling]

4/5 of the adult population is angry? Really?

I refuse to believe that enough Americans are blind stupid angry enough to make Trump president.

We have something like 340M people in the USA! If 75% are adults or of legal age that would make about 255M adults. If 40% were mad as hell you'd have ... wait for it ... over 100M angry potential voters. I'd guess that at least that many is mad as hell.

Of course, you can subtract a good many folks from the voting numbers, folks in prison for example, and usually less than half the eligible voters actually vote so if we're talking only voters we may be down in the 40M range of angry folks that might vote and probably less.

But, if most of those angry voters chose the angry candidate guess who wins the election. The voting totals in the Republican primaries are crushing the totals in the Democratic primaries -- not even remotely comparable. Let that sink in for a minute. In the open primaries where you can vote for either candidate many Democrats are voting for Trump -- it's one of the reasons why the R's are pulling such large vote totals.

I'll say again, any Democrat that thinks Hillary is a shoe in against Trump has there head up there own ass. Must be looking kind of dark for you by now...


Brian

 

[uclaLabrat]

I'm not sure both candidates having low favorability means a low turnout. If one candidate is substantially worse in favorables, and that is certainly the case here, there may be such fear and hatred of less favored candidate that people turn out just to make sure he isn't elected, not so much because they want the candidate who is moderately disfavored. The simple point being that dislike of candidates can cause people to go to the polls just as liking them can.

All that said, I'm not so sure how much predictive validity these favorables polls have right now for the general election. We'll see.

This is pretty much the angle I'm expecting. People voting against Trump or Clinton, and I think more are going to vote against Trump.

 

[Jhhnn]

Telling myself what? I already said both have net unfavorable ratings. Is your argument really that people are going to line up to vote for the person with a median -10 unfavorable as a vote against the guy with -25 unfavorables? More likely than not it will be a low turnout election and I don't think we have any sense of which candidate that would benefit more.

Trump may not get past the convention. Hillary almost certainly will.

Trump won't really have the Party behind him. Hillary will.

People don't have to like Hillary to realize that Trump is an ego tripping charlatan, a disaster trying to happen & will vote accordingly. Just because the Repub base is out of their minds in a less than usual way doesn't mean everybody else is.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump rally attendance, vs. Hillary rally attendance. Explain that shit. Trump has way more enthusiasm going on.

Votes are what matters, Trump does not have the demographics to win:

Romney carried 59% of white voters and lost, that's men & women.

Trump might carry that much but doubtful because of his disapproval rate with women and like Romney, he has little support from minorities.

 

[compuwiz1]

Votes are what matters, Trump does not have the demographics to win:

Romney carried 59% of white voters and lost, that's men & women.

Trump might carry that much but doubtful because of his disapproval rate with women and like Romney, he has little support from minorities.

You are very wrong if you think he doesn't have women supporters. If you're on Facebook, looking at other news, besides left or Hillary leaning sites, you will see a vast number of women posting their support for him. Try it. He may have more women than men supporting him.

This article seems to back that up.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35047233

"They found that more than half of Trump-backers are female."

 

[soundforbjt]

You are very wrong if you think he doesn't have women supporters. If you're on Facebook, looking at other news, besides left or Hillary leaning sites, you will see a vast number of women posting their support for him. Try it. He may have more women than men supporting him.

This article seems to back that up.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35047233

"They found that more than half of Trump-backers are female."

you left this out:

About a third are over the age of 65. Only 2% are younger than 30.

Donald Trump supporters tend to be older than the average Republican voter.

Without a high % of minorities it won't matter.

 

[compuwiz1]

Without a high % of minorities it won't matter.

I don't buy the minority narrative. You have many legal Hispanics that support his positions on immigration. You can find information to support that too, if you care to look outside your enclosure. 😉

You, probably being a Hillary or Bernie supporter, don't want to see that and will bury your head in the sand to keep from seeing it.

Trump won Hawaii, mostly minorities.
http://www.to-hawaii.com/ethnicity.php

Your left wing media is feeding you a bunch of untruth.

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't buy the minority narrative. You have many legal Hispanics that support his positions on immigration. You can find information to support that too, if you care to look outside your enclosure. 😉

You, probably being a Hillary or Bernie supporter, don't want to see that and will bury your head in the sand to keep from seeing it.

Find one that shows Trump with a high percentage of ALL Latino support, not republican Latino support because only a small percentage of Latinos are republican. I'll wait...

 

[Victorian Gray]

I don't buy the minority narrative. You have many legal Hispanics that support his positions on immigration. You can find information to support that too, if you care to look outside your enclosure. 😉

You, probably being a Hillary or Bernie supporter, don't want to see that and will bury your head in the sand to keep from seeing it.

Trump won Hawaii, mostly minorities.
http://www.to-hawaii.com/ethnicity.php

Your left wing media is feeding you a bunch of untruth.

dream on, Gallup Jan. 2 - Mar. 8 (2016) :

"Presidential candidate Donald Trump has a major image problem among U.S. Hispanics, with 77% saying they view him unfavorably and just 12% viewing him favorably. This gives Trump by far the most negative image among Hispanics of any of the four Republican candidates. He also has a much more negative image among Hispanics than the two Democratic candidates."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189887/trump-major-image-problem-hispanics.aspx

 

[compuwiz1]

Find one that shows Trump with a high percentage of ALL Latino support, not republican Latino support because only a small percentage of Latinos are republican. I'll wait...

The other part of the equation you seem to be missing is that it takes votes to win an election. Democrat voting is down and republican voting is up. Unless the Democrats mobilize, the Republicans are going to simply out vote them in extreme numbers.

I was never talking about all Latinos, as all Latinos don't vote Republican. Why would I have brought Democrat Latinos into a discussion about Republican voters?

 

[soundforbjt]

dream on, Gallup Jan. 2 - Mar. 8 (2016) :

"Presidential candidate Donald Trump has a major image problem among U.S. Hispanics, with 77% saying they view him unfavorably and just 12% viewing him favorably. This gives Trump by far the most negative image among Hispanics of any of the four Republican candidates. He also has a much more negative image among Hispanics than the two Democratic candidates."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/189887/trump-major-image-problem-hispanics.aspx

He won't believe it...He will in November though if Drumpf gets the nomination.

 

[soundforbjt]

The other part of the equation you seem to be missing is that it takes votes to win an election. Democrat voting is down and republican voting is up. Unless the Democrats mobilize, the Republicans are going to simply out vote them in extreme numbers.

I was never talking about all Latinos, as all Latinos don't vote Republican. Why would I have brought Democrat Latinos into a discussion about Republican voters?

Because you need broad Latino support to win Presidential elections these days, it's just a fact that can't be denied anymore. That's how Dubya won, that's how Obama won. Support from minorities is crucial for if you want to win, unless you get around 70% of all the white vote and that's nearly impossible.

 

[compuwiz1]

He won't believe it...He will in November though if Drumpf gets the nomination.

You guys are putting too much weight on that minority factor. Minority = minor voting block, otherwise they would be called majorities. 😉

Democrats lose this time, sorry. There is a historical pattern that says so.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You guys are putting too much weight on that minority factor. Minority = minor voting block, otherwise they would be called majorities. 😉

Democrats lose this time, sorry. There is a historical pattern that says so.

Proven wrong so change the subject. :thumbsup:

 

[soundforbjt]

You guys are putting too much weight on that minority factor. Minority = minor voting block, otherwise they would be called majorities. 😉

Democrats lose this time, sorry. There is a historical pattern that says so.

Look up the stats on Romney, McCain, and Bush. You'll see why Bush won and the others didn't, sorry to burst your bubble.

Historical pattern also says Trump wouldn't be a candidate as well.