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Salon/Huffpo: Hillary is a disaster nominee worse than Trump

SP33Demon

SP33Demon

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Some left leaning media really dislike Hillary and state why. First Camille Paglia, now this guy. Bolded important points.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/our...ocrats_will_come_to_rue_clinton_over_sanders/

Wednesday, Mar 16, 2016 12:09 PM EST
Our nominee is a disaster: Time may be running out, but Democrats will come to rue Clinton over Sanders
Why there's no chance in hell I'm voting for Hillary — and you shouldn't either
H. A. Goodman

Bernie Sanders is the only Democrat not linked to an FBI investigation. If this doesn’t mean anything to you, then you’re too terrified of Trump’s rallies to realize that Clinton could get indicted. Also, if you can’t fathom the possibility of Donald Trump winning, then keep in mind that most Americans don’t trust or like Hillary Clinton.A general election isn’t a popularity contest among Democrats. In 10 out of 10 national polls regarding favorability, Hillary Clinton has negative favorability ratings nationally in all 10.

Be very careful what you wish for, because most Americans have an unfavorable view of Clinton and Bernie Sanders already beats Trump by a wider margin. I’m only voting for Bernie Sanders in 2016 and I explain why in this YouTube segment. Most importantly, Democrats should remember that 33% of Bernie Sanders voters will refuse to vote for Clinton in November, if she becomes nominee.

As stated by The Wall Street Journal, there are a great many Bernie Sanders supporters like myself:

A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’ supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November. This could spell trouble for Clinton who will likely need Sanders’ backers in order to win the White House.

So, you can replay the unrest at Trump rallies one million more times (we know how that terrified voters into choosing Clinton the other day), but I’ll just show you this video of the typical IED blast that American soldiers had to battle in Iraq.

Between half to two-thirds of all the American soldiers killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan were the victims of IED blasts, and Hillary Clinton advocated sending U.S. ground troops back to the Middle East last November.

I called Donald Trump a clown and buffoon when I appeared on CNN, but Hillary Clinton in many ways is worse.

Why?

Bill Crystal and other neoconservatives would rather see Hillary Clinton in the White House than Trump, so while I’ll never vote for Trump, I’ll never vote for a Democrat with a neoconservative foreign policy.

I explained last year during an appearance on MSNBC that Republicans want another ground war, and I know very well that Hillary Clinton will give them their wish.

Of course, IED’s and perpetual wars that we send American soldiers to fight don’t bother certain Democrats. Sadly, most Democrats don’t care about how Hillary Clinton plans to utilize the AUMF, and certainly don’t comprehend the ramifications of merging both political parties into one on matters of war and foreign policy.

Also, Hillary Clinton’s private server indeed experienced hacking attempts from various nations and Russia-linked hackers.

Bryan Pagliano’s immunity will allow him to tell the FBI every detail of Clinton’s server, in addition to why she had the server in the first place. The moment Bryan Pagliano was given immunity was the moment Bernie Sanders became the nominee; indictments are most likely around the corner.

However, if Clinton ends up winning the nomination, then I’m writing-in Bernie’s name, and no amount of fear-mongering can influence a person who sees the DNC for what it’s become; a political machine that values power and party loyalty, without adherence to core ideals or principle. The same could also be said for its prized candidates and many of its supporters.

At least, the Republicans are loyal to their insane views, while many Democrats have worked hard to mock the genuine progressives who’ve rallied behind Bernie Sanders. Have you ever wondered why this dynamic exists?

The lesser evil theory should also apply to the long-term future of the Democratic Party. We only have a two-party system and if Clinton moves the country even further to the right in terms of war, foreign policy, Wall Street and other issues, then we essentially have a one-party system.

Why did Trump contribute money to Clinton’s Senate campaigns and Foundation?

Why did Bill Clinton and Donald Trump go golfing and why did the Clintons go to Trump’s wedding?

At some point, people like Bill and Hillary Clinton must learn that their duplicity, in terms of overt leaning towards conservative policies (read Michelle Alexander’s Nation piece) must come with peaceful political repercussions from a disenchanted base.

In today’s world, Trump’s overt racism is evil, but Hillary Clinton’s reference to black youth as “super predators,” her 3 a.m. ad against Obama, Clinton’s willingness to accept prison lobbyist donations (after Bill Clinton apologized for mass incarceration) and her racist 2008 campaign isn’t evil; it’s just politics.

The problem with Hillary supporters is that they have no concept of hypocrisy.

When a political party knows it can side with Bush on Iraq, evolve on gay marriage all the way until 2013, accept prison lobbyist donations after “apologizing” for mass incarceration, and still expect to rally the faithful and obedient masses in November, then American democracy has a problem.

Also, Trump needs Congress to implement his crazy schemes and nothing he’s spewed can be done unilaterally, aside from war, and he’s less hawkish militarily than Clinton!

I still want to see Clinton’s Goldman Sachs transcripts. I still want to see Clinton’s 22 Top Secret emails that the State Department won’t allow Americans to view, but the Clinton campaign feels is simply over-classification.

Please excuse my loyalty to Bernie Sanders over the political party that’s sided with Republicans on numerous topics, when Sanders wants to address structural issues pertaining to Wall Street and foreign policy.

There are those in the media and American politics who would allow Hillary Clinton and the DNC to get away with virtually anything, without the slightest fear of how these actions might affect a general election. Thus, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and every other top Democratic leader can act with impunity, and expect The Daily Banters and Beasts of the world to defend them, regardless of whether or not Democrats morph into moderate Republicans.

I’m never voting for anyone who believed Bush’s intelligence on Iraq, because Bernie Sanders used the same intelligence and voted against the invasion.

I’m never voting for a political dynasty that incarcerated more Americans than any presidency in history, because unlike Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders doesn’t take prison lobbyist donations and addressed prison reform long before 2016.

I’m never voting for a person I consider a liar. If you consider me a liar for my support of Warren, Webb and O’Malley before Sanders, or even an article on a Republican I wrote simply to protest perpetual wars, then don’t vote for me when I run for president.

Yes, Clinton supporters rely on a childish and dangerous form of moral relativism, blissfully ignoring the irony that on each topic, their candidate is worse than the morally relative comparison.

But Sanders supported the F-35!

Ok, but that was a weapons system, and Hillary Clinton is a neocon with a weapons deal scandal, voted for Iraq, and has an ongoing FBI investigation. Checkmate. End of debate.

I’m not voting for a person who won’t break up Too Big to Fail Banks, or reinstate Glass Steagall, because Bernie Sanders already wants to implement these safeguards; before the next financial collapse, not after.

I’m not voting for someone linked to an FBI investigation. One Nixon is enough for me, and I don’t need to rally behind a person who adores Nixon’s closest associate, Henry Kissinger.

As for pragmatism, Clinton or one of her aides could be indicted at any moment before or after the election, so you better vote for Bernie Sanders if you don’t want Trump, or you fear impeachment during Clinton’s first or second year in office, if she wins the election.

It’s important to me to have principles in life, and I’m never voting for anyone who says “I’ve always tried” to tell the truth. Therefore, I’m never “falling in line,” or pledging allegiance to Hillary or the DNC. I’m an American first, before any party loyalty, and I’m voting my conscience. You vote your conscience, and don’t forget to ask why Donald Trump donated money to Clinton’s Senate campaigns.

That being said, Bernie Sanders is still the front-runner. Clinton could get FBI and Justice Department indictments at any moment, and future primaries are favorable to Sanders. This is far from over.
(This article first appeared on The Huffington Post)
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More Sanders' supporters consider Trump as less evil than hillary, like #neverhillary. Trump is gaining not only Reagan Dem's at an astonishing rate but also disaffected Dem's. Quite honestly, I don't know how some of you can vote Hillary with a clear conscience. Trump may not be the best candidate but he's no Hillary. So much for uniting the party hillary. lol
 
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The seeds of disapproval have been planted. Let them germinate over the next couple election cycles and maybe we can rid this country of the strangle hold these two parties have on us.
 
No candidate is worse than Trump, who is like the reckless North Korea leader Kim Jong-un , period.

The nation will be in great divide chaos, and full of hatred.
 
Genx87 said:
The seeds of disapproval have been planted. Let them germinate over the next couple election cycles and maybe we can rid this country of the strangle hold these two parties have on us.
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I think we need to go through 4 years of Hillary before democrats feel the cold splash of reality. Then you will probably see a revolt happen like it is happening with the GOP.
 
Genx87 said:
The seeds of disapproval have been planted. Let them germinate over the next couple election cycles and maybe we can rid this country of the strangle hold these two parties have on us.
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Problem is without changes to constitution we will always have two parties and two parties only. Sure we might get two different parties, and maybe even for a short time they'll be better than what we have now, but there will always be only two parties and sooner or later they'll start using stupid rhetoric to divide and and in no time they'll become just another version of D and R. We need constitutional changes to have more than two parties. Unfortunately short of another great depression caused by political bickering that is just not happening.
 
I suspect that it is quite common for poll respondents to claim it's their candidate or nobody during a primary season. Sanders, whom I think is a very decent candidate, has not faced any sustained political fire from Republicans, with the reason being that they would much prefer to be facing Sanders over Clinton. The mere mention of the word "socialist" still scares a lot of voters, and I would bet that if Sanders were the nominee, by the time November rolls around Republicans would have successfully conflated democratic socialism and communism and made that label stick.
 
mxnerd said:
No candidate is worse than Trump, who is like the reckless North Korea leader Kim Jong-un , period.

The nation will be in great divide chaos, and full of hatred.
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I think you're over reacting. Trump will start to move to the center. This is simply what Republican candidates have to do to win primaries.
 
Mxylplyx said:
I suspect that it is quite common for poll respondents to claim it's their candidate or nobody during a primary season. Sanders, whom I think is a very decent candidate, has not faced any sustained political fire from Republicans, with the reason being that they would much prefer to be facing Sanders over Clinton. The mere mention of the word "socialist" still scares a lot of voters, and I would bet that if Sanders were the nominee, by the time November rolls around Republicans would have successfully conflated democratic socialism and communism and made that label stick.
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True. On one hand Sanders does carry socialist label. On the other hand, labels aside, pretty much everyone who listens to his speeches agrees with him. I'd like to believe that most people do not want another Middle East war, I'd like to believe that most people want to stop the NSA surveillance, I'd like to believe that most people want to improve our healthcare, cover more people and at lower cost, I'd like to believe that most people want to do something about outrageous college costs, and I'd like to believe that most people want to stop imprisoning people for having an ounce of MJ on them. Personally, in the unlikely event that Sanders does pull through, I'm hoping that the national debates will finally allow people to see his true positions, analyze his voting record, and hopefully back him up. I'm sad that this looks to be less and less likely, but I truly do believe that Sanders has a better chance against any republican candidate than Hillary ever had.
 
Mxylplyx said:
I suspect that it is quite common for poll respondents to claim it's their candidate or nobody during a primary season. Sanders, whom I think is a very decent candidate, has not faced any sustained political fire from Republicans, with the reason being that they would much prefer to be facing Sanders over Clinton. The mere mention of the word "socialist" still scares a lot of voters, and I would bet that if Sanders were the nominee, by the time November rolls around Republicans would have successfully conflated democratic socialism and communism and made that label stick.
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I read something recent where people under 30 view socialism as a European thing as opposed to a Soviet thing. There will be many young voters this cycle.
 
I'll admit Trump would likely have a lot less ammo vs Sanders than Clinton. Sanders would essentially be kryptonite to Trump. But hillary? We at Trump HQ can work with that. She's a goldmine of negativity which Trump will persuasively punctuate in their debates like only the Donald can.

Mainly agree with Huffpo:
However, if Hillary Clinton becomes nominee, America is looking at a Trump presidency. Trump will make the FBI investigation, and its legal consequences, a primary focus of every debate. He'll be relentless, and the GOP attack machine will make Clinton's trustworthiness issues, negative favorability ratings, and previous scandals the basis of their campaign. The polls show that Americans in aggregate don't trust Hillary Clinton, and while voters don't trust Donald Trump either, his brand is based upon arrogance.

Certain people like Trump because he's arrogant, and once he tones down his rhetoric and behavior to become more palatable to voters in a general election, his donations to Clinton's foundation and Senate runs will be a liability for Democrats. He can claim that he bribed Clinton, and that he bribed other Democrats, and he'll be able to present himself as the only presidential candidate not linked to an FBI investigation.

Like I said, Trump won't be a class act like Bernie, he'll be relentless and always on the attack; with a plethora of Clinton scandals and controversies to highlight in any debate or television ad. Trump could also bring up Clinton's use of racism against Obama in 2008, further weakening her appeal nationally, while masking his overt racism.

Against Bernie Sanders, however, Trump doesn't stand a chance, primarily because Trump is everything Bernie has warned this country about for decades. Suddenly, Donald Trump is on the defensive with Bernie, and he'll have to fabricate political attacks since Sanders doesn't have a litany of scandals to expose. Most importantly, Bernie Sanders already beats Donald Trump by a wider margin than Clinton.
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SP33Demon said:
I'll admit Drumpf would likely have a lot less ammo vs Sanders than Clinton. Sanders would essentially be kryptonite to Drumpf. But hillary? We at Drumpf HQ can work with that. She's a goldmine of negativity which Drumpf will persuasively punctuate in their debates like only the Donald can.

Mainly agree with Huffpo:
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and drumpf is just pure teflon. my money is on Hillary in a cage match should it come to that. She sat through that 10+ hour hearing brushing off question after question and you think drumpf, who can't even give a straight answer to the same question in the same hour can deal with her? She is the alpha and omega, and that's not a good thing.


here's drumpf getting caught in yet another fucking lie, or misspeak or brainfart or whatever the fuck the drumpfbots are calling it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59biNi9cDAo
 
MomentsofSanity said:
yeah I wouldn't attempt to hold up H. A. Goodman as being indicative in any way of any normal person on the left.
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Pretty much. If you click on the name you see that H.A.Goodman doesn't have any other articles on Salon. And a quick google reveals him to be a Bernie supporter - https://hagoodman.com/

I think HuffPo normally solicits articles from ideological opponents. Not sure since I only read something there if it's linked to. Not sure about Salon.

What's worrisome to me about an article like that is that it might reflect the extent to which Dems are dissatisfied with their choices as much as the Reps are. If that's the case and someone other than Trump is nominated, that could lead to lower Dem turn out in Nov. I think if Trump is nominated a lot of people will go out of their way to vote for Satan . . . I mean Hillary. Virtually anyone including any of a number of closely related primates is a better choice than Trump.
 
Yawn. Same old sheet. Bernie lost OH and FL. Kind of have to win at least one of those in Nov.
This sounds like same crew that voted for Nader and got Bush.
 
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Do we really know what Trumps positions are on things the Repubs favor like gun control, abortion and limited government. I have a feeling that he is very closely aligned with the Clinton group on all of these.
 
Hillary certainly seems to embody a lot of what I hate about politicians, but I don't think she's worse than Drumpf, who is clearly a needledickbugfuck with issues. Hillary's lust for power and sense of entitlement for it really unnerves me, and the proud ties to Wall Street just makes it all the more disgusting.

With her pariah status on the right and some of the left I believe her views on getting things is quaint, cute even. Bernie on the other hand is the only honest person in the race and with Indie cred gives people on both sides room to save face, both at home and on the hill.

But America gets the leader it deserves, so we'll probably get saddled with one of the two crooks. 🙁
 
SP33Demon said:
A 6.2 point lead for shillary before the GE is getting crushed? hahahaha
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It's not that at all. Trump as President is an absurdity, a bad joke where nobody is laughing. He gets no respect from most of America, nor should he.

He's an ill tempered self indulgent vulgarian who'd be selling used cars if it wasn't for his Daddy's money.
 
SP33Demon said:
I'll admit Trump would likely have a lot less ammo vs Sanders than Clinton. Sanders would essentially be kryptonite to Trump. But hillary? We at Trump HQ can work with that. She's a goldmine of negativity which Trump will persuasively punctuate in their debates like only the Donald can.

Mainly agree with Huffpo:
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Funny I heard Trump say to some protesters wearing Bernie shirts that they want the same thing he is offering its just that Bernie is too weak to get it done.
This is a summary from what I remember but it happened on Monday.
 
Mxylplyx said:
A 6.2% lead in a national election? Yes, that is an absolute landslide.

Granted this is a week old, but Trump would lose by a historic landslide if the vote were held today.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/...n-sanders-demolish-trump-in-general-election/

A -39 favorability rating compared to Clinton's -13. You are in for a rude awakening come November barring something drastic.
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I would agree during a GE. But 8 months out? Please. Anything can happen including more hillary bombs coming out (FBI case), more leftist violence against trump, and debates where Trump can pull the ownership card of hillary due to bribes. 6 points is insignificant this far out. lmao
 
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