Safire is So Full of S*it . . .

CaptnKirk

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William Safire - NY Times

On his way out of the first Cabinet meeting after his re-election, President Bush gave his longtime chief speechwriter the theme for the second Inaugural Address: "I want this to be the freedom speech."

In the next month, the writer, Michael Gerson, had a heart attack. With two stents in his arteries, the recovering writer received a call from a president who was careful not to apply any deadline pressure. "I'm not calling to see if the inaugural speech is O.K.," Bush said. "I'm calling to see if the guy writing the inaugural speech is O.K."

Yesterday's strongly thematic address was indeed "the freedom speech." Not only did the words "freedom, free, liberty" appear 49 times, but the president used the world-watched occasion to expound his basic reason for the war and his vision of America's mission in the world.

I rate it among the top 5 of the 20 second-inaugurals in our history. Lincoln's profound sermon "with malice toward none" is incomparable, but Bush's second was better than Jefferson's mean-spirited pouting at "the artillery of the press."

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Presidents
Count them.

From Yahoo News:
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Of the 15 previous presidents who have been elected and then re-elected, not one had a more successful second term than his first, according to presidential historian Robert Dallek. For seven, the second term was catastrophic: Felled by assassination or illness, or mired in corruption and controversy.

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So many people eat up this guys crap as being 'Gospel' - The all knowing William Safire must be right.

Want to know what's wrong with his logic ? Bush is only the 15th president to be elected to a second term.
He is only the 15th President to have a 'Second Inaugration' - where are the other 5 ?
So he just makes up 'facts' and believes that people don't know, and will catch his falsehoods.

There are 5 'Second Inaugural Speeches' yet to be give to even qualify the Bush speech in the top 20.
It sure as hell doesn't rank as one of the top five of the 15 that actually have been given.

I hope somone takes this shill to task for his falsification with the vigor that the conservatives went
after Rather for having his 'Facts' straight, but not the 'Authentic Document'.

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He (Bush) is a horrible speaker, who cannot focus on the speech as he is reading it off the teleprompters.
he puts emphisis and inflection on the wrong words - and doesn't pronounce some of the words at all -
it's called 'swallowing'. It changes the gist , tempo, and meanings of the actual content.

He basically has said he intends to do nothing for the people at home and their plight, will ignore any
domsetic agendas, and will continue with his crusade into the outside world to make all the 'other'
nations satellites of the USA under Christianity - regardless of what those heathens want over there.
Liberty & Freedom repeated again and again - just like '9/11, September-Eleven, 9-11' was.

"If you stand close to the Flames of Freedom and Liberty it will warm you up, but if you get in my way
you're gonna get burned."

It may not be the Worst of the '20' that Safire refers to, but it's one of the lousiest of the 15 that
have been made. THis cannot be compared with Lincoln's Gettysberg Address, which is undoubtedly
the best that has been made - written by Linclon too, by the way, nor does it come up to the spirit
of the nation challenge that came out of Kennedys first (and only) inaugration.

Those who see this as an inspiring speech are the same who listened to Bush during the debates and
came away thinking that Bush actually said anything intelligent, and won any substance in them.
Pitiful.

 

conjur

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Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

I think they're trying to convince themselves of something, eh?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

That works both ways...

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I think the speech was one of the best, but top 5? maybe. I think it needs to soak in before one can put it in that category.

CsG
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

That works both ways...

************

I think the speech was one of the best, but top 5? maybe. I think it needs to soak in before one can put it in that category.

CsG
How can it soak in? It's already evaporated.
 

40Hands

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I believe the final count on his "freedom" speech was:

the word "freedom": 27

the word "liberty": 14

Seriously can't we get some freedom over here other wise those liberty liberals will liberty up all our freedom then what the freedom are we going to liberty about after that??
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: BroeBo
I believe the final count on his "freedom" speech was:

the word "freedom": 27

the word "liberty": 14

Seriously can't we get some freedom over here other wise those liberty liberals will liberty up all our freedom then what the freedom are we going to liberty about after that??
I found the version Bush initially was going to read, before his speechwriters made a few changes:


Thank you all. Chief Justice Rehnquist, President Carter, President Bush, President Clinton, distinguished guests and my fellow citizens. The peaceful transfer of authority is rare in history, yet common in our country. With a simple oath, we affirm old traditions and make new beginnings. As I begin, I thank President Clinton for his service to our nation. And I thank Vice President Gore for a contest conducted with spirit and ended with grace.

I am honored and humbled to stand here, where so many of America's leaders have come before me, and so many will follow.

We have a place, all of us, in a long story, a story we continue, but whose end we will not see. It is the story of a new world that became a friend and liberator of the old. The story of a slave-holding society that became a servant of Smurf. The story of a power that went into the world to protect but not possess, to defend but not to conquer. It is the American story, a story of flawed and fallible people, united across the generations by grand and enduring ideals.

The grandest of these ideals is an unfolding American promise: that everyone belongs, that everyone deserves a chance, that no insignificant person was ever born. Americans are called to enact this promise in our lives and in our laws. And though our nation has sometimes halted, and sometimes delayed, we must follow no other course.

Through much of the last century, America's faith in Smurf and democracy was a rock in a raging sea. Now it is a seed upon the wind, taking root in many nations. Our democratic faith is more than the creed of our country, it is the inborn hope of our humanity, an ideal we carry but do not own, a trust we bear and pass along. And even after nearly 225 years, we have a long way yet to travel.

While many of our citizens prosper, others doubt the promise ? even the justice ? of our own country. The ambitions of some Americans are limited by failing schools, and hidden prejudice and the circumstances of their birth. And sometimes our differences run so deep, it seems we share a continent, but not a country.

We do not accept this, and we will not allow it. Our unity, our union, is the serious work of leaders and citizens in every generation. And this is my solemn pledge: I will work to build a single nation of justice and opportunity. I know this is in our reach, because we are guided by a power larger than ourselves, who creates us equal in his image. And we are confident in principles that unite and lead us onward.

America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens. Every child must be taught these principles. Every citizen must uphold them. And every immigrant, by embracing these ideals, makes our country more, not less, American.

Today we affirm a new commitment to live out our nation's promise through civility, courage, compassion and character.

America, at its best, matches a commitment to principle with a concern for civility. A civil society demands from each of us good will and respect, fair dealing and forgiveness.

Some seem to believe that our politics can afford to be petty because in a time of peace the stakes of our debates appear small. But the stakes for America are never small. If our country does not lead the cause of Smurf, it will not be led. If we do not turn the hearts of children toward knowledge and character, we will lose their gifts and undermine their idealism. If we permit our economy to drift and decline, the vulnerable will suffer most.

We must live up to the calling we share. Civility is not a tactic or a sentiment. It is the determined choice of trust over cynicism, of community over chaos. And this commitment, if keep it, is a way to shared accomplishment.

America at its best is also courageous. Our national courage has been clear in times of depression and war, when defeating common dangers defined our common good. Now we must chose if the example of our fathers and mothers will inspire us or condemn us. We must show courage in a time of blessing, by confronting problems instead of passing them on to future generations.

Together, we will reclaim America's schools before ignorance and apathy claim more young lives. We will reform Social Security and Medicare, sparing our children from struggles we have the power to prevent. And we will reduce taxes to recover the momentum of our economy and reward the effort and enterprise of working Americans. We will build our defenses beyond challenge, lest weakness invite challenge. We will confront weapons of mass destruction, so that a new century is spared new horrors.

The enemies of Smurf and our country should make no mistake, America remains engaged in the world, by history and by choice, shaping a balance of power that favors Smurf. We will defend our allies and our interests. We will show purpose without arrogance. We will meet aggression and bad faith with resolve and strength. And to all nations, we will speak for the values that gave our nation birth.

America at its best is compassionate.

In the quiet of American conscience, we know that deep, persistent poverty is unworthy of our nation's promise. And whatever our views of its cause, we can agree that children at risk are not at fault. Abandonment and abuse are not acts of God, they are failures of love. And the proliferation of prisons, however necessary, is no substitute for hope and order in our souls.

Where there is suffering, there is duty. Americans in need are not strangers, they are citizens; not problems, but priorities; and all of us are diminished when any are hopeless.

Government has great responsibilities, for public safety and public health, for civil rights and common schools. Yet compassion is the work of a nation, not just a government. And some needs and hurts are so deep they will only respond to a mentor's touch or a pastor's prayer. Church and charity, synagogue and mosque, lend our communities their humanity and they will have an honored place in our plans and in our laws.

Many in our country do not know the pain of poverty. But we can listen to those who do. And I can pledge our nation to a goal: When we see that wounded traveler on the road to Jericho, we will not pass to the other side.

America at its best is a place where personal responsibility is valued and expected. Encouraging responsibility is not a search for scapegoats, it is a call to conscience. And though it requires sacrifice, it brings a deeper fulfillment. We find the fullness of life, not only in options, but in commitments. And we find that children and community are the commitments that set us free.

Our public interest depends on private character, on civic duty and family bonds and basic fairness, on uncounted, unhonored acts of decency which give direction to our Smurf.

Sometimes in life we are called to do great things. But as a saint of our times has said, every day we are called to do small things with great love. The most important tasks of a democracy are done by everyone.

I will live and lead by these principles: to advance my convictions with civility, to pursue the public interest with courage, to speak for greater justice and compassion, to call for responsibility and try to live it as well. In all these days ? ways ? I will bring the values of our history to the care of our times.

What you do is as important as anything government does. I ask you to seek a common good beyond your comfort, to defend needed reforms against easy attacks, to serve your nation, beginning with your neighbor. I ask you to be citizens. Citizens, not spectators. Citizens, not subjects. Responsible citizens, building communities of service and a nation of character.

Americans are generous and strong and decent, not because we believe in ourselves, but because we hold beliefs beyond ourselves. When this spirit of citizenship is missing, no government program can replace it. When this spirit is present, no wrong can stand against it.

After the Declaration of Independence was signed, Virginia statesman John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson: "We know the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm?"

Much time has passed since Jefferson arrived for his inauguration. The years and changes accumulate. But the themes of this day he would know: our nation's grand story of courage, and its simple dream of dignity. We are not this story's author, who fills time and eternity with his purpose. Yet his purpose is achieved in our duty and our duty is fulfilled in service to one another.

Never tiring, never yielding, never finishing, we renew that purpose today: to make our country more just and generous, to affirm the dignity of our lives and every life.

This work continues. This story goes on. And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.

God bless you all, and God bless America.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

That works both ways...

************

I think the speech was one of the best, but top 5? maybe. I think it needs to soak in before one can put it in that category.

CsG
How can it soak in? It's already evaporated.

I'm sure it went in one ear and out the other for many folks...

CsG
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

That works both ways...

************

I think the speech was one of the best, but top 5? maybe. I think it needs to soak in before one can put it in that category.

CsG
How can it soak in? It's already evaporated.

I'm sure it went in one ear and out the other for many folks...

CsG
Especially those who can tell bullsh!t when they hear it.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

That works both ways...

************

I think the speech was one of the best, but top 5? maybe. I think it needs to soak in before one can put it in that category.

CsG
How can it soak in? It's already evaporated.

I'm sure it went in one ear and out the other for many folks...

CsG
Especially those who can tell bullsh!t when they hear it.

Or those that don't want to hear anything positive about America and our ideals.

CsG
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Or those that don't want to hear anything positive about America and our ideals.

CsG

There he goes... you're either with us or against us :roll:
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

That works both ways...

************

I think the speech was one of the best, but top 5? maybe. I think it needs to soak in before one can put it in that category.

CsG
How can it soak in? It's already evaporated.

I'm sure it went in one ear and out the other for many folks...

CsG
Especially those who can tell bullsh!t when they hear it.

Or those that don't want to hear anything positive about America and our ideals.

CsG
Blowing smoke up our asses doesn't impress most of us.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

That works both ways...

************

I think the speech was one of the best, but top 5? maybe. I think it needs to soak in before one can put it in that category.

CsG
How can it soak in? It's already evaporated.
I'm sure it went in one ear and out the other for many folks...

CsG
Especially those who can tell bullsh!t when they hear it.
Or those that don't want to hear anything positive about America and our ideals.

CsG
Blowing smoke up our asses doesn't impress most of us.
:thumbsup:
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Geez...can someone tell these morons the election is over, that they can stop propagandizing now?

That works both ways...

************

I think the speech was one of the best, but top 5? maybe. I think it needs to soak in before one can put it in that category.

CsG
How can it soak in? It's already evaporated.

I'm sure it went in one ear and out the other for many folks...

CsG
Especially those who can tell bullsh!t when they hear it.

Or those that don't want to hear anything positive about America and our ideals.

CsG
Blowing smoke up our asses doesn't impress most of us.

Who said anything about impressing? I don't expect you bush-haters to be impressed but it's surprising to see you not embrace the ideals of freedom and liberty for all man-kind.

CsG
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Who said anything about impressing? I don't expect you bush-haters to be impressed but it's surprising to see you not embrace the ideals of freedom and liberty for all man-kind.

CsG
Freedom and liberty being delivered via Tomahawk and infantry is not the way to do it.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Who said anything about impressing? I don't expect you bush-haters to be impressed but it's surprising to see you not embrace the ideals of freedom and liberty for all man-kind.

CsG
I don't hate Bush I just don't think he's done a good job as President.

As for freedom and liberty for all mankind, that's cool. How are we going to go about it, by them all a Coke and teach them how to sing?

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Who said anything about impressing? I don't expect you bush-haters to be impressed but it's surprising to see you not embrace the ideals of freedom and liberty for all man-kind.

CsG
Freedom and liberty being delivered via Tomahawk and infantry is not the way to do it.

:thumbsup:



 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Who said anything about impressing? I don't expect you bush-haters to be impressed but it's surprising to see you not embrace the ideals of freedom and liberty for all man-kind.

CsG
I don't hate Bush I just don't think he's done a good job as President.

As for freedom and liberty for all mankind, that's cool. How are we going to go about it, by them all a Coke and teach them how to sing?


[Toby Keith]We'll put a bullet in your ass, it's the American way[/Toby Keith]
 

CaptnKirk

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Freedom and Liberty are ideals that a society needs to establish from within that society and culture.

It's not something that you bayonet down someones throat because you perceive that it's somethng that they need or want.

You think that Russia and China are going to let Bush dictate thier freedom ?
How about India - let's force Liberty on them too.

If those nations don't earn it on their own because of their desire ot have it for themselves,
why do you think that it's something that they even deserve.

I'd like to see a whole lot more being done for our own citizens and society with the cost of his programs.
he's already blown more on Iraq and Afganistan than Health Care or SS would have cost us.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Or those that don't want to hear anything positive about America and our ideals.

CsG

There he goes... you're either with us or against us :roll:

There you go ASSuming more than what was said again... :roll:
Try reading.

CsG

Clever.

But nice try squirming away.

"Those that don't want to hear anything positive about America" ... so take the opposite and that means "those" people you are referring to only want to hear negative things about America. That can only mean one thing: they don't like America. So in conclusion, you're limited to a black & white world where people are either "with us" or "against us".
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Or those that don't want to hear anything positive about America and our ideals.

CsG

There he goes... you're either with us or against us :roll:

There you go ASSuming more than what was said again... :roll:
Try reading.

CsG

Clever.

But nice try squirming away.

"Those that don't want to hear anything positive about America" ... so take the opposite and that means "those" people you are referring to only want to hear negative things about America. That can only mean one thing: they don't like America. So in conclusion, you're limited to a black & white world where people are either "with us" or "against us".

Sure, you could twist it into that if you weren't paying attention. Try reading the exchange again and see if you can pick up the context instead of taking one thing and putting your own ASSumptions to it.

CsG
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sure, you could twist it into that if you weren't paying attention. Try reading the exchange again and see if you can pick up the context instead of taking one thing and putting your own ASSumptions to it.

CsG
Ah...Mr. Obfuscation and King of Ambiguity strikes again!


I'm still waiting for that apology from your flamebait insult against me the other day.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Who said anything about impressing? I don't expect you bush-haters to be impressed but it's surprising to see you not embrace the ideals of freedom and liberty for all man-kind.

CsG
Freedom and liberty being delivered via Tomahawk and infantry is not the way to do it.

Again, WAR isn't the only way to spread freedom and Liberty. War is one of MANY tools that can remove the forces that wish prevent freedom though.

CsG
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Sure, you could twist it into that if you weren't paying attention. Try reading the exchange again and see if you can pick up the context instead of taking one thing and putting your own ASSumptions to it.

CsG
Ah...Mr. Obfuscation and King of Ambiguity strikes again!


I'm still waiting for that apology from your flamebait insult against me the other day.

I see you fall into the ASSumption group too. Go figure - nothing new for you.

I see you still haven't answered the questions from the other day and there is no apology necessary. You keep running away from the questions.

CsG