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Sadly, many now think the military is for losers

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'Why aren't you in Iraq?
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Served my time and left active duty back in 1997, and I don't think that Uncle Sam is that hard up that he needs to go looking at former airborne knuckledraggers who landed on their heads one too many times and have bad knees besides. As far as why not Iraq, let's just say I did my time in Iraq in between Gulf War 1 and 2 and leave it at that.

Sadly, many now think the military is for losers
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I wouldn't say it's for losers, but if you are a certified genius with a high degree of education, then I'd say your talents are probably better applied to finding the cure for cancer or whatnot. Somehow I just can't see Einstein having made a superb infantryman. But I will agree that the primary audience for recruiters is the less affluent, and those young people who are suffering the young person angst of a teenager, for them the structure and discipline of the military can really turn things around for them. Needless to say I fit into both categories, and look at me now, I'm a model citizen 😉
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
Where did you serve?

I asked someone else that on here (thought it was you) and they said "The DU Platoon" or "DM Platoon" or something like that. ie, not really in the military

Anyway, a side note, I'm mixed on support for Iraq, I didnt support it initially but now I just would like it to be resolved well
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The DU army lol...

That was a typical right wing jab at my service record becasue they cant deal with the idea that people who have been in the service are not mainly bush asskissers.

Shows how little they know or can face about reality.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Trust me, the only thing our trusty little leftwing agitator here has served on is the make-up crew for the local rent-a-mob freaks.
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rent-a-mob? wtf is that? did you make that up? who would rent a "mob" and why would someone want a mobster with makeup?

You bush apologists are so lost and off-base nowdays your talking nonsense.

That is a really pathetic personal attack that was not even funny or even makes a shred of sense.

No cookie for you troll, back to the cave!

Jeez I come into here with a bold opinion different then others and I don't even get character assisinating rages at me that are even slighty humourous anymore... :brokenheart:
 
wtf? I was not airborne lol, (what a pathetic guess but I guess I will not complain as they are tough dudes) please keep to the topic...I have never discussed the details of my service (even what branch) in this forum nor will I open up to you all as I see how you all love to slime servicemembers who do not tow your line.

Chickenhawks and servicemembers who do not tow the line do not mix
 
The guys out there in the military are not the losers, it's the people sending them to fight their holy war for them, or to fight for oil that are the losers.
 
People of extremes find their way into the military. Some of the greatest tacticians and strategic thinkers in the history of the world, all the way down to barely functional have been in the military. It iw a representative of U.S. culture, to include a wide and integrated diversity of religions and ethnic backgrounds. It roughly mirrors the averages outside the military.

Try getting into West Point or Annapolis sometime if you think that the military is for idiots. Try getting into SF and see what happens. There you have to be tough body AND smrt minded. What I suggest is that all of you thinking that the military is for idiots should take the ASVAB and get your scores. Post them and let us see the average Military versus the non-military. I'd wager you'd be seeing about the same scores.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
wtf? I was not airborne lol, (what a pathetic guess but I guess I will not complain as they are tough dudes) please keep to the topic...I have never discussed the details of my service (even what branch) in this forum nor will I open up to you all as I see how you all love to slime servicemembers who do not tow your line.

Chickenhawks and servicemembers who do not tow the line do not mix
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Oops my bad I quoted Glenn1 😀 /retraction.
 
Already served but was kicked out...Air Force said I didn't take academics very seriously, truth is I did...I just rather do a bunch of other things (and I didn't think it mattered, whoever heard of the military kicking out an Engineering major with prior military experience who they've already paid for 4.5 years of school, load of crock). I don't think I would have fit in as an officer...in the private sector my specialty has become lean manufacturing, and the military is certainly not lean.
 
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Well, I come here to discuss things but they do ask for it at times, and I am a generous soul. 😉

Seriously though my poll aside (which was a afterthought) do you see the military nowdays as being for people without options?
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I remember a military that was pretty picky, now they are discussing getting people GED's who drop out and getting them enlisted. :shocked:
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i enlisted in 1955 and the military gave GED'S to non-graduates enlistees or draftee's back then. so nothing new, as usual from a shocked fool.

 
Originally posted by: filterxg
Already served but was kicked out...Air Force said I didn't take academics very seriously, truth is I did...I just rather do a bunch of other things (and I didn't think it mattered, whoever heard of the military kicking out an Engineering major with prior military experience who they've already paid for 4.5 years of school, load of crock). I don't think I would have fit in as an officer...in the private sector my specialty has become lean manufacturing, and the military is certainly not lean.
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Sorry to hear that, and yes you are right there is nothing lean about the service, the dysfunction of the whole system drove me nuts sometimes myself. But thats how it is.

A shame though, some of the best officers are the ones who think outside the box 😉
 
Originally posted by: slyedog

i enlisted in 1955 and the military gave GED'S to non-graduates enlistees or draftee's back then. so nothing new, as usual from a shocked fool.
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The military is nothing like that anymore nor do we have draftees.

What is your point? That america has lowered it standards? We know that. look at the commander in chief.
 
Originally posted by: maluckey
People of extremes find their way into the military. Some of the greatest tacticians and strategic thinkers in the history of the world, all the way down to barely functional have been in the military. It iw a representative of U.S. culture, to include a wide and integrated diversity of religions and ethnic backgrounds. It roughly mirrors the averages outside the military.

Try getting into West Point or Annapolis sometime if you think that the military is for idiots. Try getting into SF and see what happens. There you have to be tough body AND smrt minded. What I suggest is that all of you thinking that the military is for idiots should take the ASVAB and get your scores. Post them and let us see the average Military versus the non-military. I'd wager you'd be seeing about the same scores.
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I think the article in the OP is not really saying those who sign up are idiots or losers, just that it seems that the disadvantaged(which some would call "losers" by default) are ending up being those who are serving while the advantaged("winners") are avoiding serving for various reasons. Those reasons are all legitimate, but there is a dichotomy between Supporters of the war and those willing to serve which is creating a rift between Rich/Poor(Winners/Losers) and not Supporters/Opposers(though there is an obvious rift there).
 
Oops my bad I quoted Glenn1 /retraction
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Don't know how he'd do physically, but mentally I think Steeple would do fine in SF. The ideal candidate is someone who "thinks differently" and is a bit of a misfit streak in them, so I think he'd do fine if he made it through selection and he'd have done fine on our team. He'd fit right in next to the jumpmaster who was afraid of heights, the radioman who was afraid of clowns (he damn near kicked all our asses once, we got a weekend off from a mission at Nevada Test Site to hit Las Vegas, and we reserved a room at Circus Circus), our point man was afraid of spiders, our medic used to give himself IV's every day for practice ("I love giving myself IVs), our second medic got involved with Hare Krishna (despite having a 8" tattoo of the Star of David on his bicep, very smart in a unit spending most of its time in the middle east), and the old man had a fetish for taking ass pictures (we used to have to get a photo of a set of full moons every deployment). Hell, if anything Steeple would be the normal one in the group 😉
 
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
The guys out there in the military are not the losers, it's the people sending them to fight their holy war for them, or to fight for oil that are the losers.
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:thumbsup:
 
Awful lot of young folk in here, why are you not serving?
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Because I hate the state and everything it stands for. I will never join the state in any capacity, and especially not as a soldier.
 
The only way I would ever join the military is if I was guaranteed to be far out of harm's way. I'm not suited for combat, I'm much more of a technical/intelligence guy (which most on a computer forum would be). It's not that you're a loser for joining the military, it just means you're poor and/or desperate usually, not patriotic. Apparently being patriotic today means buying a "Support the Troops" bumper sticker at Wal-Mart and verbally attacking anyone that disagrees with the war.
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
Steeple would be the normal one in the group 😉
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Heh, you all sound like some of my pals too.

I dunno about normal though, Me and my buddies would have probaly taken you up on that challenge back then ...ok ok no war stories, we are around kids you know.. 😉
 
Very revealing of the shallowness of most of the posters isn't it ?

Well, I'm too smart, or I'm too important.

How about 'You're too chicken to support your country' and you let others do your work.

There are plenty of things that a CO can do - front lines always need medics and the like.
 
I suppose I haven't joined and don't plan on joining because I haven't found something worth dying for yet.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Very revealing of the shallowness of most of the posters isn't it ?

Well, I'm too smart, or I'm too important.

How about 'You're too chicken to support your country' and you let others do your work.

There are plenty of things that a CO can do - front lines always need medics and the like.
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I agree that a lot of people appear somewhat shallow. I tend to think such people don't have a real substantial experience of any sort relating to the military or people in it. To make a long story short, I think their perspective is incomplete... as someone earlier said, there's a helluva lot of intelligent and honorable professionals in the military, as I'm sure your son is.

I doubt much of it is cowardness. As I said, I think it's a worldview based on their narrow perspective. In the end though, it doesn't bother me. There's so many kinds of people that I accept the simple fact that not everyone is cut out for the military. Everyone has their own strengths and habits, and I don't think everyone should be forced into the same mold. All I would like to see is more respect and understanding of those who do choose military service.
 
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It's "hooah" actually
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No, it's not.

But I wouldn't expect you to even know.
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Oh yea, what is it then
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You really want to find out ?
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What are you saying that to me for? You don't know me. Anyway AFAIK for the army "hooah" is the way its spelled and pronounced
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There was a thread on how it's said. It was determined that each branch of the military had their own way of saying it, if they said that particular word at all.
 
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