sadistic cop kills family golden retriever

[AMDZen]

We may hate each other in the other thread, but I agree on this post.

Jesus christ, a cop should be able either punch or kick a fucking golden in the face with enough force to get it pliable. They just aren't big or dangerous enough to pose a threat to any adult male who isn't a pussy.

I don't hate you in that other thread, I was just being an anal wart 😉

EDIT: On a side note, I learned early on not to run from animals. My dad taught me that at an early age, theres a good story that goes along with this too but I am not telling it this time.

The story here is me walking home from middle school, face to face with a big dog who scared the shit out of me. I stopped on the sidewalk, didn't run of course - I had already learned that, the dog stops too and stares me down. Barks, starts to edge forward. I put on my meanest face for a scrawny little POS could muster and briefly started at him. Dog freaked out started backing off a little, then made an abrupt dodge toward me. I freaked out but didn't let it deter me, I hunkered down and growled as loud as I could. Dog stopped, gave me a weird look and said, OK see ya dude.

Moral is, animals are not that difficult to figure out. This isn't fucking psychology 101.

 

[Darwin333]

I am curious what would have happened if the situation was a bit different:

Since the dog is on my property and he is properly restrained, regardless if the officer can see it or not, what do you suppose would have happened if I pulled my own gun and protected my family member with "the best tool" I had?

 

[Darwin333]

we had a stray pitt running around our neighborhood for a couple of days, chased a bunch of kids and a couple adults before the cops got called. the cop that showed up stared down the dog, then ran at it to see if it would attack him. on purpose. he said if the dog is aggressive and will attack him he is justified in shooting the dog. apparently this dog would only chase people that ran away lol.

point is, i doubt the cops rules here vary much from other places, so they do have a little bit of play in their motives in these cases.

also, the humane society (no kill shelter) picked up the pit the next morning, it wasnt put down as far as i know.

Aggressive dogs chase you when you run. You stand some chance of them not attacking if you stand your ground.

Dogs, much like damn near all other animals including humans, don't really want to get into a fight they will likely not win. Running is a sign of fear/weakness and they will pounce, not running and staring them down is a sign that maybe you aren't so weak. Of course other things come into play but its really just basic instinct stuff.

 

[Juddog]

I don't hate you in that other thread, I was just being an anal wart 😉

EDIT: On a side note, I learned early on not to run from animals. My dad taught me that at an early age, theres a good story that goes along with this too but I am not telling it this time.

The story here is me walking home from middle school, face to face with a big dog who scared the shit out of me. I stopped on the sidewalk, didn't run of course - I had already learned that, the dog stops too and stares me down. Barks, starts to edge forward. I put on my meanest face for a scrawny little POS could muster and briefly started at him. Dog freaked out started backing off a little, then made an abrupt dodge toward me. I freaked out but didn't let it deter me, I hunkered down and growled as loud as I could. Dog stopped, gave me a weird look and said, OK see ya dude.

Moral is, animals are not that difficult to figure out. This isn't fucking psychology 101.

So your official advice to police when confronted by apparently unrestrained dogs is to hunker down and growl at them. Wow what amazing advice! 🙄

 

[alkemyst]

Maybe if said imaginary person is a frail old women.

I could kick a golden in the face and I guarentee he is going to back off, if he doesn't - then its another story. Your first instinct as a male isn't to just shoot a dog like a golden unless a) you live in a box and don't know dogs, and thusly shouldn't be a cop or b) you're just deathly afraid of dogs and thusly don't deserve to be a cop. Who knows what else you might just shoot when they come running at you. Sure that lady was running from someone else into your arms hoping you would save her, but who cares - you felt threatened.

jumping side kick or reverse double legged roundhouse?

 

[Linflas]

So your official advice to police when confronted by apparently unrestrained dogs is to hunker down and growl at them. Wow what amazing advice! 🙄

Almost as amazing as drawing your gun and shooting them the moment one barks at you and moves in your direction. There was an incident a few months ago in the DC area where an off duty cop in a dog park shot another persons dog because his dog and another dog were involved with one another, fighting or playing is in dispute, but the cops immediate solution was to shoot the other persons dog.

Off-Duty Cop Breaks up Dog Quarrel -- with Gun

Federal police officer shot dog in Arundel park

 

[mvbighead]

In the same situation, if it was a regular person who shot the dog, the justification is the same. Did the person at the time fear that he was about to be attacked by a large dog, possibly biting him and mauling him? If yes, then he was justified in defending himself. Would it still be a tragic incident? Yes. Is the person a bad person for defending himself, no.

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadly_force

As defined by the United States Armed Forces

The use of deadly force is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed.

At no point in that article was it mentioned that the officer first struck the dog with his baton. At no point did he kick or tussle with the dog, according to the article. It was simply a matter of him feeling threatened and pulling a firearm. That, in and of itself, is complete and utter bullshit.

I would propose that a 160lb man who was running up in a threatening manner to an officer to fight or what have you is a much bigger threat than a 70lb Golden Retriever. In that case, is it okay for the officer to use deadly force because he felt threatened? I mean, clearly he would be harmed if a struggle ensued. Or should he just pull up his firearm and drop the suspect? As far as I am aware, the officer must first use non-lethal means to subdue the suspect - IE striking him with a baton or hitting him with a tazer. So why is it any different when a Fido is running at him?

The biggest point here is that any dog like a Golden Retriever is not a deadly threat. Could the officer be bitten? Sure. But he could also be punched in the face by an unarmed suspect, and he wouldn't be able to shoot that guy. Shooting the dog was a last resort here, but unfortunately it sounds as if it was the officer's first course of action. Furthermore, a 160lb man likely has the capacity and knowledge to take the officer's firearm and use it against him. A retriever, not so much. The most the officer stood to get from the retriever is a bit of drawn blood. But hey, since it's an animal... fire away buddy.

And believe me, to those calling the cop hater card, like someone else said, it is simply a matter of accountability. You cannot simply assume that because a person is a cop, they'll do the right thing 100% of the time. They are people also, but they should be held to a higher level of accountability because of the laws that they must know and enforce. Shooting someone else's dog on their property when you don't have business being there is a bit over the top, IMO. Especially when 100% of people up to that point in that animal's life had just walked right on by.

 

[dabuddha]

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadly_force

As defined by the United States Armed Forces


At no point in that article was it mentioned that the officer first struck the dog with his baton. At no point did he kick or tussle with the dog, according to the article. It was simply a matter of him feeling threatened and pulling a firearm. That, in and of itself, is complete and utter bullshit.

I would propose that a 160lb man who was running up in a threatening manner to an officer to fight or what have you is a much bigger threat than a 70lb Golden Retriever. In that case, is it okay for the officer to use deadly force because he felt threatened? I mean, clearly he would be harmed if a struggle ensued. Or should he just pull up his firearm and drop the suspect? As far as I am aware, the officer must first use non-lethal means to subdue the suspect - IE striking him with a baton or hitting him with a tazer. So why is it any different when a Fido is running at him?

The biggest point here is that any dog like a Golden Retriever is not a deadly threat. Could the officer be bitten? Sure. But he could also be punched in the face by an unarmed suspect, and he wouldn't be able to shoot that guy. Shooting the dog was a last resort here, but unfortunately it sounds as if it was the officer's first course of action. Furthermore, a 160lb man likely has the capacity and knowledge to take the officer's firearm and use it against him. A retriever, not so much. The most the officer stood to get from the retriever is a bit of drawn blood. But hey, since it's an animal... fire away buddy.

And believe me, to those calling the cop hater card, like someone else said, it is simply a matter of accountability. You cannot simply assume that because a person is a cop, they'll do the right thing 100% of the time. They are people also, but they should be held to a higher level of accountability because of the laws that they must know and enforce. Shooting someone else's dog on their property when you don't have business being there is a bit over the top, IMO. Especially when 100% of people up to that point in that animal's life had just walked right on by.

You forget, dog != human. I love animals just as much as the next guy but fuck using a baton or trying to "wrestle" a crazed dog. These folks put their lives on the line for us every single day and they should not have to deal with being maimed by a dog because some retard owner doesn't even bother restraining their dog like they're supposed to. Besides, a 70 lb ferocious snarling dog can easily do more damage to a person than a 160 lb man. Bottom line, it's tragic that the cop had to shoot the dog but all of the responsibility falls on the dog owner's shoulders.

 

[mvbighead]

You forget, dog != human. I love animals just as much as the next guy but fuck using a baton or trying to "wrestle" a crazed dog. These folks put their lives on the line for us every single day and they should not have to deal with being maimed by a dog because some retard owner doesn't even bother restraining their dog like they're supposed to. Besides, a 70 lb ferocious snarling dog can easily do more damage to a person than a 160 lb man. Bottom line, it's tragic that the cop had to shoot the dog but all of the responsibility falls on the dog owner's shoulders.

Seriously? You think a 70lb dog can do more than a 160lb man who has the ability to fire a pistol? A 160lb man can kill you. A 70lb dog at best is going to bite your ankle (possibly twisting and turning once it has gotten hold of your ankle). Not only that, but the person had an underground fence and the dog was on their property.

And I have not forgotten that dog != human. I know that full well. But I also know that gunning down someone else's dog is much different than killing a deer or badger. A dog typically has a lot of meaning to someone. Hell, for the all the officer could have known it was a trained seeing eye-dog for a blind person. But you're right, it's just an animal. Who should really give a shit what an officer does when it's only an animal involved.

 

[erikistired]

jumping side kick or reverse double legged roundhouse?

the crane kick, karate kid style.

 

[dabuddha]

Seriously? You think a 70lb dog can do more than a 160lb man who has the ability to fire a pistol? A 160lb man can kill you. A 70lb dog at best is going to bite your ankle (possibly twisting and turning once it has gotten hold of your ankle). Not only that, but the person had an underground fence and the dog was on their property.

And I have not forgotten that dog != human. I know that full well. But I also know that gunning down someone else's dog is much different than killing a deer or badger. A dog typically has a lot of meaning to someone. Hell, for the all the officer could have known it was a trained seeing eye-dog for a blind person. But you're right, it's just an animal. Who should really give a shit what an officer does when it's only an animal involved.

So now the hypothetical is that the man has a pistol. Well we can take it further and say what if the dog had a shotgun that fired chainsaws? BTW what would a trained seeing eye-dog for a blind person be doing outside chasing cops?

 

[Juddog]

You forget, dog != human. I love animals just as much as the next guy but fuck using a baton or trying to "wrestle" a crazed dog. These folks put their lives on the line for us every single day and they should not have to deal with being maimed by a dog because some retard owner doesn't even bother restraining their dog like they're supposed to. Besides, a 70 lb ferocious snarling dog can easily do more damage to a person than a 160 lb man. Bottom line, it's tragic that the cop had to shoot the dog but all of the responsibility falls on the dog owner's shoulders.

^^ Exactly - people are acting like the dog is a human with full rights. Fact of the matter is that pets don't have the same rights as humans and they never will.

To say the cop should try and whack at the dog with a baton first and attempt a wrestle move with it is borderline retarded.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadly_force

As defined by the United States Armed Forces


At no point in that article was it mentioned that the officer first struck the dog with his baton. At no point did he kick or tussle with the dog, according to the article. It was simply a matter of him feeling threatened and pulling a firearm. That, in and of itself, is complete and utter bullshit.

I hate to see the day that police officers cannot shoot an aggressive and potentially dangerous animal just because it may not be deadly force. Also, you do not know what deadly force is. Large dogs are capable of tackling a adult human male. Also, their teeth are sharp as hell, which could either puncture an artery or do significant damage. If you choose to use a baton, then guess what, you won't be using the sidearm if it turns out the dog is a lot more dangerous and aggressive than first though. This isn't some video game where you can leap backwards, draw your sidearm and fire in bullet time. You make out police officers to be some superhuman who can make decisions like a computer, they are human too. Also, your comparison between a dog and a man armed with a gun is ridiculous. A comparison between a dog and a man wielding a knife would be more comparable. Both are capable of inflicting significant damage. If a man with a knife is charging a cop, they can shoot him.

 

[Zargon]

Seriously? You think a 70lb dog can do more than a 160lb man who has the ability to fire a pistol? A 160lb man can kill you. A 70lb dog at best is going to bite your ankle (possibly twisting and turning once it has gotten hold of your ankle). Not only that, but the person had an underground fence and the dog was on their property.

And I have not forgotten that dog != human. I know that full well. But I also know that gunning down someone else's dog is much different than killing a deer or badger. A dog typically has a lot of meaning to someone. Hell, for the all the officer could have known it was a trained seeing eye-dog for a blind person. But you're right, it's just an animal. Who should really give a shit what an officer does when it's only an animal involved.

dude, most police and military shepards, are about 70 lbs

go watch some belgian ring videos......

also, most cops, thanks to the economy, are being directed to avoid things, that will get them severly hurt, like I dont wrestling with a 70lb dog with big teeth. thats also going to affect how we are policed now. departments cant afford to pay a guy to not work 6-8 weeks for wrestling your dog while also paying another guy OT to fill his shifts....

not saying its right, but thats how it is.

ALOT of posters really have no idea how the real world works, let alone what really goes on in law enforcement.

 

[mvbighead]

So now the hypothetical is that the man has a pistol. Well we can take it further and say what if the dog had a shotgun that fired chainsaws? BTW what would a trained seeing eye-dog for a blind person be doing outside chasing cops?

No, the hypothetical is not that the man has a pistol. The hypothetical is that a man is capable of wrestling with an armed officer (which is known as a pistol was used to kill the dog), taking said weapon away from the officer, and using it to kill the officer. Does that make enough sense for you?

The hypothetical is that an unarmed man has the potential to become an armed suspect after a physical altercation with an armed officer.

As for a seeing-eye dog being in the front yard... I dunno, I never really would suspect that they pee in toilets. So my guess would be doing it's business in the front yard, as any other dog would.

 

[mvbighead]

I hate to see the day that police officers cannot shoot an aggressive and potentially dangerous animal just because it may not be deadly force. Also, you do not know what deadly force is. Large dogs are capable of tackling a adult human male. Also, their teeth are sharp as hell, which could either puncture an artery or do significant damage. If you choose to use a baton, then guess what, you won't be using the sidearm if it turns out the dog is a lot more dangerous and aggressive than first though. This isn't some video game where you can leap backwards, draw your sidearm and fire in bullet time. You make out police officers to be some superhuman who can make decisions like a computer, they are human too. Also, your comparison between a dog and a man armed with a gun is ridiculous. A comparison between a dog and a man wielding a knife would be more comparable. Both are capable of inflicting significant damage. If a man with a knife is charging a cop, they can shoot him.

Bullet time, are you kidding? This ain't a video game. It's real life, where actions have consequences. I have on numerous occasions encountered my dog being assaulted viciously by my neighbor's boxer. Did I run to grab a gun? Nope, I ran over to the dog fight that was in progress, and kicked the boxer right in the ribs. Dog fight ends, both dogs run away from me, and everyone lives to fight another day.

You people honestly have no idea what the difference is between a family golden retriever and a trained police dog or fighting dog.

 

[pontifex]

Clearly anyone who isn't appalled by this cop's faggotry hates dogs, and is therefore most likely a cat lover. Next, if it doesn't upset you at all then it wouldn't be a big deal if the same happened to you. I mean, its your fault you let your cat outside any way. Accident? Who cares it could of mauled me and gave me rabies.

amazing...glad to see people around here have no ties to reality.

 

[mvbighead]

dude, most police and military shepards, are about 70 lbs

go watch some belgian ring videos......

also, most cops, thanks to the economy, are being directed to avoid things, that will get them severly hurt, like I dont wrestling with a 70lb dog with big teeth. thats also going to affect how we are policed now. departments cant afford to pay a guy to not work 6-8 weeks for wrestling your dog while also paying another guy OT to fill his shifts....

not saying its right, but thats how it is.

ALOT of posters really have no idea how the real world works, let alone what really goes on in law enforcement.

See my last post above. Trained police dog vs family golden retriever. There is a huge difference.

As for shifts and other such things, like I said, Golden Retriever. If some drawn blood is going to keep an officer out of work for 6-8 weeks, he/she should probably find another line of work.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Wrestling with a large dog that is attacking you is a lot more dangerous than wrestling with an unarmed man, I don't even understand how you can compare the two.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Bullet time, are you kidding? This ain't a video game. It's real life, where actions have consequences. I have on numerous occasions encountered my dog being assaulted viciously by my neighbor's boxer. Did I run to grab a gun? Nope, I ran over to the dog fight that was in progress, and kicked the boxer right in the ribs. Dog fight ends, both dogs run away from me, and everyone lives to fight another day.

You people honestly have no idea what the difference is between a family golden retriever and a trained police dog or fighting dog.

Good thing you got a free kick in on the dog. If the dog was charging at you, good luck kicking it in the ribs to get it to run away. It'd leap on your ass and you'd be bloody all over, internet tough guy.

 

[mvbighead]

Wrestling with a large dog that is attacking you is a lot more dangerous than wrestling with an unarmed man, I don't even understand how you can compare the two.

How the hell does anybody end up wrestling with something that is 2 foot tall?

And your first statement is completely false as illustrated in my post above. An unarmed man can easily become an armed man when wrestling with an officer. A dog, not so much.

And a 70lb dog is not exactly large.

 

[dabuddha]

How the hell does anybody end up wrestling with something that is 2 foot tall?

And your first statement is completely false as illustrated in my post above. An unarmed man can easily become an armed man when wrestling with an officer. A dog, not so much.

And a 70lb dog is not exactly large.

You obviously don't know much about dogs. BTW a dog is always armed with razor sharp teeth 🙂

 

[mvbighead]

Good thing you got a free kick in on the dog. If the dog was charging at you, good luck kicking it in the ribs to get it to run away. It'd leap on your ass and you'd be bloody all over, internet tough guy.

What the hell are you talking about? I am talking about an actual encounter with an aggressive dog. I think you've seen too much TV showing you how dangerous these beasts are.

 

[mvbighead]

You obviously don't know much about dogs. BTW a dog is always armed with razor sharp teeth 🙂

Obviously. Razor sharp? Hardly. Sharp? Yes. Razors... nope.

Again, swift kick in the ribs, mouth, chest, etc... then fire your gun if the attack continues.

 

[surfsatwerk]

How the hell does anybody end up wrestling with something that is 2 foot tall?

And your first statement is completely false as illustrated in my post above. An unarmed man can easily become an armed man when wrestling with an officer. A dog, not so much.

And a 70lb dog is not exactly large.

You're really talking out your ass. Have you ever had a serious dog bite? Have you ever had a dog attack you?